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#27 Aug 28 2012 at 6:47 PM Rating: Good
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it's hard to find enough of those scary religious folks actually doing anything with regard to this issue,

Pluralities are pretty small, rounded they're 0% of the population. It's not like they ever did anything about it. Well, it's not like they've ever done anything about it recently. And it's not like there are numerous similar bills that nearly passed in several other states this year.

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It's true. Bill Nye has started talking about science for the first time ever and it was to distract the American people from illegal gun walking schemes.
And yet, this video and transcript appears online so that people can link to it and create threads about it just this week. Shocking!

I know, right?! It's like he didn't even GET the memo that no one is allowed to talk about science in an election year!

Holy shit it must be gun running!!!
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#29 Aug 28 2012 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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#30gbaji, Posted: Aug 28 2012 at 7:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Which isn't really new or special. You're arguing exceptions and not the rule.
#31gbaji, Posted: Aug 28 2012 at 7:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do any of those require that creationism be taught in a public classroom? Or do they merely allow debate and discussion. Do you get that these laws are passed in response to regulations which forbid any debate or discussion, usually specifically aimed at any sort of expression of religious belief? There's a difference between requiring something to be taught and removing a prohibition from it even being discussed at all.
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I don't see anyone being forced to believe anything.


Oh, that's the argument? Well dang, I thought you said it was hard to find anyone wanting to teach these beliefs in classrooms. My bad, here I thought you were lying Smiley: lol

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I see legal changes removing punitive restrictions on teachers who make the mistake of mentioning their personal beliefs in a classroom setting though.


Just to be sure we're on the same page here: you are arguing that this legislation is not an effort to teach creationism in classrooms (for example, the public schools that, er, teach creationism), but to protect teachers who "accidentally" mention it?

Wow, usually you're better at lying than this. You feeling tired today?

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Not sure how that even remotely equates to forcing people to believe in creationism.


I'm confused. What, in your mind, would "force" people to believe in creationism... anything short of putting a gun to their heads and demanding they believe it?

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I just happen to think that hiding information is the wrong way to prove a position to be true.


Hey there, abstinence-only education.
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gbaji wrote:

Do any of those require that creationism be taught in a public classroom? Or do they merely allow debate and discussion.


ITT: gbaji is fine with classrooms not teaching evolution, but learning about the FSM.
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Do you get that these laws are passed in response to regulations which forbid any debate or discussion

I very much do. While I'm very much opposed to laws forcing educators to teach homeopathy instead of health science, I'm still not keen on them being allowed to teach it as a very real and viable alternative theory.

I thought you'd be more concerned about how your tax dollars are being spent.
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gbaji wrote:
Do you get that these laws are passed in response to regulations which forbid any debate or discussion

I very much do. While I'm very much opposed to laws forcing educators to teach homeopathy instead of health science, I'm still not keen on them being allowed to teach it as a very real and viable alternative theory.

I thought you'd be more concerned about how your tax dollars are being spent.

*Any* tax dollars being spent on education is a waste, dontchaknow?
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Or do they merely allow debate and discussion.

What debate?
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Or do they merely allow debate and discussion.

What debate?


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I just find it humorous because I attended religious school. We studied biology and astronomy and evolution just like any other school. No one ever had an issue with it. But then, it wasn't taught in a manner designed specifically to attack religious beliefs.
Right, because the Catholic Church decided a long time ago that this "science" stuff had something going for it, evolution included.
















I'm sorry, did you mean to trick somebody by saying "religious" instead of "Catholic"?

Now I've gone and spoilt your point.
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#41 Aug 29 2012 at 5:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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I see legal changes removing punitive restrictions on teachers who make the mistake of mentioning their personal beliefs in a classroom setting though.


That's well and good as long as other teachers are also allowed to mention their personal beliefs, etc.

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Be afraid. Be very afraid!
You'd rather all political debate remain focused on the women's amazing ability to shut down during rape?

Is that science or magic?
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Are scientists really that afraid that if a group of students is presented with their science on the one hand, and a mythological story on the other, that they won't see any difference?

Creationism (or "intelligent design") isn't presented as mythological stories, as you well know since you've defended it previously on this forum. It's pseudo-science based on a faulty and intentionally disingenuous presentation of evolution followed by "So it must be something else!"

Which, yes, when children (who have a child's grasp on critical thinking and no scientific foundation to refute from) are taught that by a supposed authority, I can imagine that might upset some scientists.

Or, you know, maybe they're just trying to distract from gun walking scandals. Either is equally plausible I guess. Just like "A wizard must have made it" is an equally plausible alternative to evolution.

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It's an election year, so we've got to make sure the people are scared. How scared you ask? Well, scared enough to ignore the very real problems going on with the economy, foreign policy, illegal gun walking schemes, and attendant cover ups in order to vote against the party associated with such scary stuff at a national level (cause school districts are directly run by the federal government!).


Didn't see this mentioned before, but it's not like this is the first time Bill Nye has said science and religion don't mesh perfectly. In 2006, he refuted Genesis 1:16 at a presentation in Waco, saying that the moon obviously reflects light; it doesn't produce it like the Bible says. Several people booed and walked out.

I'm sure that he probably talked about that to distract from gun running too though, right? Smiley: rolleyes
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2006 was a midterm election year. Smiley: oyvey
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You're only allowed to mention science during odd-numbered years.

That said, would that mean moon rocks emit light as well? We need to get back onto the moon and stock up -- we can cut US energy consumption when our homes and businesses are all illuminated with natural, divinely occurring moonlight.

Unless it turns out to be deadly poisonous

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Unless it turns out to be deadly poisonous


Psh, you're not thinking around the problem. We'll just rebrand it "Clean Moon Rock" and call it a day.
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Jophiel wrote:
You're only allowed to mention science during odd-numbered years.

That said, would that mean moon rocks emit light as well? We need to get back onto the moon and stock up -- we can cut US energy consumption when our homes and businesses are all illuminated with natural, divinely occurring moonlight.

Unless it turns out to be deadly poisonous

Still gotta be safer than nucular power though, right?
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You're only allowed to mention science during odd-numbered years.

That said, would that mean moon rocks emit light as well? We need to get back onto the moon and stock up -- we can cut US energy consumption when our homes and businesses are all illuminated with natural, divinely occurring moonlight.

Unless it turns out to be deadly poisonous

Still gotta be safer than nucular power though, right?

I'm assuming this statement is facetious.
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