Legitimate Rape leaves Marks but Not Babies....Follow

I know this is shocking to some, but sex education in this country used to be far more about the science and facts of reproduction and sexual behavior than it is today. The politics (on both sides) have transformed it into a collection of teachings designed to tie into a given political position on related issues and *not* to teach strong facts about the issue itself. Believe it or not, they did talk about issues like rape, incest, homosexuality, and how those things intersected with pregnancy, STDs, etc even back in grade school. I hit the whole run of sex ed twice because I attended a public grade school, and then went to a religious middle and high school. Public schools taught sex education in 5th and 6th grade back then. The religious school I attended did their first intro stuff in 7th, with the followup in 8th grade.

Couple year difference aside, the information provided was more or less identical in both schools. Yes. Complete with relatively boring films, which seemed the popular education technique of the day.


Young people today like to think they are more progressive, better informed, and more open minded than past generations, but in a lot of ways, they are more coddled, less well educated, and less well exposed to real diversity of ideas than their parents. They just don't realize it. We spend a lot more time and effort talking about how we should handle these subjects, but honestly a lot less actually doing it. This is a general observation btw, not just about sex ed. The same can be said about nearly every subject taught in our education system today. We're so concerned about exposing kids to something too early, or offending their parents, or hurting their fragile sense of self esteem, but we just don't teach them in a factual manner anymore. We no longer expect responsibility from students, so we don't teach them as though they can be responsible enough to handle the lessons. We coddle them and protect them from education. And then we wonder why they don't have a freaking clue how the world works after they graduate.

Heh. "This was taught forty years ago to kids in high school, and since knowledge and understanding of something never changes it's clearly correct."

Yeah. Newton and that whole theory of gravity clearly must be wrong because it's old. Do you really want to play this game? There's a whole range between all and nothing.

1950s era health films. What else?

Also might help to not quote a pretty questionable study on the issue. Not your fault though, those numbers are widely reported. Anyone who steps back and looks at the statistics of human reproduction should instantly realize that either this study was horribly flawed, or the reported statistics were measured differently than most think they were.

I'll give you a hint: Go look up the normal rate of impregnation among fertile couples actually trying to conceive if they have sex one time at a random point during a woman's cycle. Then ask where the hell the 5% number comes from. In real science, you should always check your results to ensure they make a damn bit of sense.

It's obvious that when a woman doesn't want to get knocked up she doesn't. Duh.

I'll repeat again (for the common sense impaired):




When compared to the entire spectrum of what is called "rape", that represents an incredibly small portion. Does it really require a whole lot of brain power to realize that if the total quoted rate of pregnancy for the whole group is X, and that group includes a whole lot of 15 year olds having sex (repeatedly over a period of time btw, which for those following along is why the stats are so skewed) with their adult boyfriends, that the actual rate for forcible rape is going to be significantly lower than that. Same deal with non-forcible date rape, which usually involves multiple instances of sexual intercourse over a period of time.

When you distill that down into a "percentage of women impregnated by their rapists", you're going to end out with a hell of a lot higher percentage when you include those other two groups. Sometimes, just looking at the cases themselves can tell you how the distribution is going to end out. This is one of those cases.


Let me be absolutely clear. I'm not saying that this doesn't happen. I fully acknowledge that the odds are greater than zero, and thus the argument as a whole was stupid. However, the statement that pregnancy resulting from forcible rape is relatively rare is absolutely true. Compared to other forms of rape, it's true. Compared to sexual activity in general, it's true. I do find it amusing that for some people, the need to attack anything said that even remotely appears to question some political agenda they agree with is so strong. It's almost Pavlovian. Heaven forbid anyone mention that you're less likely to get pregnant from a forcible rape than having consensual sex with your boy friend. Doesn't matter that it's quite obviously true, it's language that might just slightly weaken some contrived connections between social issues we like to use, so make sure to attack that person right away!!!


I just find the whole thing to be dumb.

For someone who claims others lack common sense you sure have a funny way of citing a reference. I will give you a tip, it involves quoting people that don't exist in your head and showing links to their work. Otherwise good work! Glad to see you have an ability to consistently type walls of text without actually saying a dang thing.

That Liberals are building abortion factories in unwed mothers?

How else will they fulfill their quota of Stem Cells?

Dear gbaji

I had a lot more to say, but really, it makes me feel ill to try and argue with you about this. The damage to adopted children the majority of whom wonder over and over "Why didn't my mother want me?" even when their adoptive parents are full of love and care. The damage to children and adults who get traumatised when they find out they were the product of rape, whether or not their mothers kept them. The damage to women who can't bear the thought of carrying and creating a child from the man who violated, victimised and traumatised her. If teens are more likely than adult women to be made pregnant from rape it's probably because they haven't had the chance to be on birth control pills. And they are more likely to be the rape victims of their fathers, brothers, uncles or other relatives. WTF makes you think it's acceptable at all to force a child to be completed who will almost invariably be damaged for life because of the manner of their conception?

You aren't saving a life when you save a rape foetus. You are creating a damaged human being who otherwise would have had no idea what it was missing out on, good AND bad.

@#%^ you you sick piece of sh*t.

Yes, I really admire the woman who can separate out the feelings she has for her attacker from the feelings she has for her foetus and child. Hopefully that strength and grace fills the child's childhood and she will be a great parent. Unfortunately in my case, my raped mother was so stressed and traumatised, she made a lousy mother. Too bad I reminded her so much of him.

Edited, Sep 1st 2012 3:54am by Aripyanfar