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#252 Aug 27 2012 at 11:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Eh, trolling is only really trolling when you're distracting from the overall board. While inane and pointless, it's not as though it's taking up oxygen from the rest of the forum these days.

I just take it at face value that people are however stupid as they present themselves. Assuming "Oh, he's not really like THAT" is how we wind up with some of these Congresscritters.

Edited, Aug 27th 2012 12:47pm by Jophiel
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#253Almalieque, Posted: Aug 27 2012 at 6:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm sorry. My "goal" was to not go in circles. Maybe you misunderstood my intent. It takes you an average of 2 to 3 posts to answer one question. You answered your beef with the 35/15 couple. Now you have to answer why you think there is a difference. You answered your guestimated results, but you did not say why one ends up one way and the other doesn't. You've made some comments, but you haven't backed up any of your accusations. You're doing worse than what the FRC is/was doing. At least they tried to prove the correlation. If someone made similar types of accusations for homosexuals, you would lose your lid.
#254 Aug 27 2012 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Considering all he does is posts the complete opposite of whatever someone else posts, even the occasional egging on isn't worth the effort. It's like the Argument sketch Monty Python, except without any humor and no one has the decency to get hit in the head with a mallet, though the headache still remains.

Just like gbaji, except g-man has just enough genial presonality that it's almost tolerable, if not entirely reasonable.
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The sad part is that almost everyone here who is pro-SSM has said that some discriminations about who can marry are necessary, but this one is an unjust discrimination.


Not even going to attempt to figure out where Alma's going with this, but I feel the need to ask why you believe that this one is an unjust discrimination, but not other restrictions? Put more directly: Do you think that those who fought for the right of mixed race couples to marry also felt at the time that the thing they were fighting against was an "unjust discrimination", but that other discriminations (like same sex couples) were just?

To me, it's not enough to just say "this thing I want today is important, but those other things are not", because invariably, once "this thing" is obtained, someone will turn to fighting for one of those "other things". Which leads us to a valid slippery slope situation. I believe that if you are going to construct an argument of this nature, you need to be able to clearly state what delineates an unjust discrimination from a just one. But what I've found (on this and many other issues) is that most people don't do this.

And whether you agree with the argument or not, the case for procreative potential of a couple as the delineation at least provides some objective means to make that determination. Absent some alternative, you really are just arbitrarily deciding what is just and what is not.


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So here we are again. My argument is that as long as its between two consenting adults, there's nothing wrong with it, so it can't be "wrong" to be gay. What's your explanation for why you think being gay is "wrong"?



Doesn't two consenting adults include two adult siblings? Or an parent and their adult child? So.... What's your explanation for why you think either of those cases is "wrong"? Or, if you don't think they are, then why not fight for their rights to marry as well? And if not that, then isn't it perfectly correct for someone to point to one of those other cases as a valid slippery slope result of the fight for gay marriage?

And hell. You didn't mention it, but why constrain ourselves to two adults? Why not three? Or more? Why are those cases "wrong", but not gay marriage?


The point I'm trying to get at is that if your argument for including a group in some category doesn't also include a consistent rationale for continuing to exclude other groups, then your argument is effectively for including those other groups as well. And it's absolutely not fallacious to point this out.

Edited, Aug 27th 2012 6:01pm by gbaji
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#256 Aug 27 2012 at 7:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let me be the first to say (in this thread) that I would have no problem with incestuous relationships and polygamous relationships being decriminalized. The first are vanishingly rare, and the second are just none of my business. In my opinion, if anyone is messed-up enough to want to ***** his/her sibling or other immediate family member other than his/her spouse, it's probably a good idea to get that person off the dating market.

Add the usual boilerplate "consenting adults" language and send that out over my signature, thanks.
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#257 Aug 27 2012 at 7:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
To me, it's not enough to just say "this thing I want today is important, but those other things are not", because invariably, once "this thing" is obtained, someone will turn to fighting for one of those "other things".

(A) Denying Group A because you fear Group B is childish and illogical
(B) So what? If someone wants to make an argument for marrying [boogeyman!] then let them make it. If they can make a strong enough argument to sway enough people, they can change the law. That's how it works.
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TOASTERS ARE PEOPLE TOO!
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TOASTERS ARE PEOPLE TOO!


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It's a proven fact.

Edit: Looking at this picture they are apparently blanket molesters as well.

Edited, Aug 27th 2012 11:16pm by Shaowstrike
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#261 Aug 27 2012 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
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TOASTERS ARE PEOPLE TOO!


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It's a proven fact.


I saw some Brave Little Toaster rule 34. I think it involved the Lamp, the Blanket, and the Toaster.
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#262 Aug 27 2012 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Edit: Looking at this picture they are apparently blanket molesters as well.


Nah, he clearly had a thing for the vacum. The radio told me.


That was one of my favorite kiddie movies as a not-quiet-young-adult.
#263 Aug 27 2012 at 9:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Brave Little Toaster rocked. I'd marry him. When he came of age, of course. I'm not a freak.
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You're too late. After years of shame and hiding, he and his lover committed suicide.
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#265 Aug 28 2012 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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Let me be the first to say (in this thread) that I would have no problem with incestuous relationships and polygamous relationships being decriminalized. The first are vanishingly rare, and the second are just none of my business. In my opinion, if anyone is messed-up enough to want to ***** his/her sibling or other immediate family member other than his/her spouse, it's probably a good idea to get that person off the dating market.

Add the usual boilerplate "consenting adults" language and send that out over my signature, thanks.


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gbaji wrote:
To me, it's not enough to just say "this thing I want today is important, but those other things are not", because invariably, once "this thing" is obtained, someone will turn to fighting for one of those "other things".

(A) Denying Group A because you fear Group B is childish and illogical
(B) So what? If someone wants to make an argument for marrying [boogeyman!] then let them make it. If they can make a strong enough argument to sway enough people, they can change the law. That's how it works.


These two posts sum up my answer to gbaji quite well.

Thank you both.
#266 Aug 28 2012 at 1:53 AM Rating: Decent
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So, in other words, you just don't like it?


If Sarah's too young (immature) to consent, I'm against it. If she's not & her parents agree to it, then its as ok as can be. Again, I urge you to google Courtney Stodden for an example of a child bride & you tell me if you think she's not warped because of it.

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Your assumption of Sarah becoming some sort of a sex worker is no different than people assuming homosexuality will lead into p-philia or some other sexual distortion. Although either may happen, there is no correlation between the two. So, what if Tom and Sarah are relatively at the same maturity level? What is the scenario where Tom isn't taking advantage of Sarah? How is he taking advantage of Sarah any differently than John? In other words, how does Tom taking advantage of Sarah leads her to becoming a sex worker, but not John?


If Sarah's too young (immature) to consent, I'm against it. If she's not & her parents agree to it, then its as ok as can be regardless of any more hypotheticals you tack on. If Sarah can't consent, she's a victim regardless of who fucks her.

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Replace "****" with ****** & the risks are virtually identical. Any argument to ban ****-sex using "health risks" also applies to vanilla sex, so that argument goes nowhere.

Alma wrote:
I'm sorry. My "goal" was to not go in circles. Maybe you misunderstood my intent. It takes you an average of 2 to 3 posts to answer one question. You answered your beef with the 35/15 couple. Now you have to answer why you think there is a difference. You answered your guestimated results, but you did not say why one ends up one way and the other doesn't. You've made some comments, but you haven't backed up any of your accusations. You're doing worse than what the FRC is/was doing. At least they tried to prove the correlation. If someone made similar types of accusations for homosexuals, you would lose your lid.

Oh before I forget.. it's on page 14. The amount of effort you're spending talking to me far exceeds the amount of effort of just reading post 14. heh, your choice.


If Sarah's too young (immature) to consent, I'm against it. If she's not & her parents agree to it, then its as ok as can be. Again, I urge you to google Courtney Stodden for an example of a child bride & you tell me if you think she's not warped because of it. Coward.

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Doesn't two consenting adults include two adult siblings? Or an parent and their adult child? So.... What's your explanation for why you think either of those cases is "wrong"? Or, if you don't think they are, then why not fight for their rights to marry as well? And if not that, then isn't it perfectly correct for someone to point to one of those other cases as a valid slippery slope result of the fight for gay marriage?


I don't really care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I don't care if two relatives want to get married (provided they don't have biological children). Polygamy doesn't really bother me either.

But I'm not going to argue for legalizing incest or polygamy & feel that the laws that cover them are fine as they are. Other people can try & make those arguments if they want too.

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Why are those cases "wrong", but not gay marriage?


I think incest is wrong if its predatory & biological children are involved, but if its two consenting adults without biological kids between them, I don't find it "wrong" even if I personally wouldn't choose to do it. I feel pretty much same way about Polygamy, except they can have kids.
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The point I'm trying to get at is that if your argument for including a group in some category doesn't also include a consistent rationale for continuing to exclude other groups, then your argument is effectively for including those other groups as well
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Using that logic, if I wanted to exclude a group (homosexuals) from having sex I would also be making an argument for banning vanilla sex. I'm sure THAT'S the intention of any sodomy laws, isn't it?
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#267 Aug 28 2012 at 3:45 AM Rating: Default
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Omega wrote:
If Sarah's too young (immature) to consent, I'm against it. If she's not & her parents agree to it, then its as ok as can be. Again, I urge you to google Courtney Stodden for an example of a child bride & you tell me if you think she's not warped because of it.


So, in other words, you don't like it.. Your answer rests upon "if" and there will always be an "if" in EVERY relationship, yet you support this ban. I don't need to google Courtney Stodden , because for every Courtney Stodden, there's at least one grown woman who was mentally and/or physically abused. If you don't like it, just man up and say so and stop hiding behind all of these fallacious reasoning.

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If Sarah's too young (immature) to consent, I'm against it. If she's not & her parents agree to it, then its as ok as can be regardless of any more hypotheticals you tack on. If Sarah can't consent, she's a victim regardless of who ***** her.


Way to not answer the question.

How is he taking advantage of Sarah any differently than John? In other words, how does Tom taking advantage of Sarah leads her to becoming a sex worker, but not John?

Just say that there is no difference and you just don't like it; however, if everyone is agreement, then you feel that it's none of your business.

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Replace "****" with ****** & the risks are virtually identical. Any argument to ban ****-sex using "health risks" also applies to vanilla sex, so that argument goes nowhere.


Well, obviously you didn't read it. If it were that simple, I wouldn't have posted it. Besides, who thinks that way? "****/******, really the same thing if you think about it"? So, that argument wouldn't apply to vanilla sex. In either case, **** sex applies to both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

#268 Aug 28 2012 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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So, in other words, you don't like it.. Your answer rests upon "if" and there will always be an "if" in EVERY relationship, yet you support this ban. I don't need to google Courtney Stodden , because for every Courtney Stodden, there's at least one grown woman who was mentally and/or physically abused. If you don't like it, just man up and say so and stop hiding behind all of these fallacious reasoning.


I don't have a problem with it if she is able to consent. If she's not old (mature) enough then she can't consent, so she'd be abused/taken advantage of/exploited regardless of whether or not she was fucking a 15 or a 35 year old. A sexually abused girl has a much higher chance of developing unhealthy attitudes towards sex. I think a 15 year old ******* a 35 year old has a MUCH higher chance of developing these unhealthy attitudes, but at the same time I can't say that every 15 year old that ever ****** a 35 year old throughout history wasn't in a healthy relationship. I think Courtney Stodden & her husband are odd and I certainly wouldn't have given my 16 year old daughter permission to marry the very creepy dude from the X-Files, but I can't rule out ALL marriages like that because it is possible that they could possibly be healthy, ya know?

I'm done discussing kiddie sex with you now, thanks.

Alma wrote:
Well, obviously you didn't read it. If it were that simple, I wouldn't have posted it. Besides, who thinks that way? "****/******, really the same thing if you think about it"? So, that argument wouldn't apply to vanilla sex. In either case, **** sex applies to both heterosexuals and homosexuals.


I'd like you to refute the fact that MOST of the health risks associated with **** sex, in your link, don't also apply to vaginal sex. STDs, tearing, cancer (cervical, from HPV) all also apply to vaginal sex, don't they?

By applying the same safety precautions as with vaginal sex (& some extra lobe) **** sex can be enjoyed by anyone safely. Much like the ******, the **** is a muscle & with practice can accommodate larger & larger objects. Ask Goatse if you don't believe me.

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#269 Aug 28 2012 at 5:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Alma thinks no one should get married because there's a chance in every single relationship that someone could get hurt. And we can't have that!
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Alma thinks no one should get married because there's a chance in every single relationship that someone could get hurt. And we can't have that!


Don't forget, until nothing is discriminated against its ok to discriminate against teh gays!
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#271 Aug 28 2012 at 7:09 AM Rating: Good
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Same reply as to 'Alma's logic."


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#273 Aug 28 2012 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'm really enjoying the "homosex hurts because the **** tears and you can get diseases!" angle.
#275 Aug 28 2012 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've always been perplexed by almas position that if you can't fix EVERYTHING you shouldn't bother fixing anything. It's something that's been discussed ad nauseam in other threads, but he refuses to see the value in incremental change. /shrug
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I'm really enjoying the "homosex hurts because the **** tears and you can get diseases!" angle.
Because straight people never have **** sex, ever. It's only the gays who do icky things like that.
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