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#52 Aug 11 2012 at 12:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Election's over. Thanks for making it trivial to set up the out of touch rich v middle class dynamic guys. The only way it would have been easier was if you morons had run a Thurston Howell III/Scrooge McDuck ticket. Ryan is a good 25 second sound byte, but that's literally as deep as it goes.



Out of curiosity, whom would you have picked (assuming you wanted Romney to win)? I've been mulling it over for weeks and I could never decide. Is the field really that thin, or the "base" really that hard to figure?



They initially stated they were going for a "boring white guy" because of the lessons learned from Palin. About the only person who fits that who was in the running was Pawlenty (who is probably now having a sad.) With Ryan, they got the "white guy" part right, but instead of boring, they tried for "exciting." Unfortunately, he's exciting in many ways, including ways that are not what the Republicans needed.
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It's pretty much a given that the Ryan pick represents a feeling that Romney wasn't holding his base. Traditionally, you pick a VP who fills some of the holes in your resume. Ryan is a complete hand-over to the conservative base who had been demanding in recent weeks that he get the slot.

The flip side of this is that whatever pretend-moderate stances Romney might have taken are tossed out the window. He has aligned himself with an unpopular budget that dismantles Medicare and refuses to raise revenues to combat the nation's debt/deficit problems. Obama had been hoping to run against Ryan and now he has his chance.

I don't know if Romney had a "better" option available. He was losing the election and a forgettable VP pick wasn't going to make him lose any less. But Romney is pretty boring and forgettable himself and this race may well turn into Obama vs Ryan just as last election was dominated by Obama vs Palin with McCain slipping towards the back. Ryan isn't Palin in that he can probably conduct himself better, is smarter and hopefully can name what newspapers he reads but Romney (intentionally or not) has just sidelined himself in relevance this campaign.

Edit: Oh, and the Ryan pick has no chance of winning Wisconsin unless the midwestern swing states and Electoral College were going to flip anyway. He's not going to flip the state six or seven points.

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The tax plan proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.), the newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate, would have slashed Mitt Romney's effective tax rate to about 1 percent in 2010, based on Romney's tax return that year, according to a Roll Call analysis.

In case anyone doubted that Ryan was the pick the Obama camp was praying for.
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No more taxes! Whoooo! Awesome! Now they'll just have to figure out where the money's going to come from instead, maybe plundering other countries? Mitt already wants to fight Iran anyway so why not do both?
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#56 Aug 11 2012 at 7:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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No more taxes! Whoooo! Awesome! Now they'll just have to figure out where the money's going to come from instead, maybe plundering other countries? Mitt already wants to fight Iran anyway so why not do both?


Ryan's budget plan stated this would be done by closing loopholes. When pressed to name one, he couldn't. The $5 trillion in savings literally comes from fairy dust. This passed the house, btw.

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$4.6 trillion is the size of the mystery meat in the budget. Ryan proposes tax cuts that would cost $4.6 trillion over the next decade relative to current policy—that is, relative even to making the Bush tax cuts permanent—but claims that his plan is revenue neutral, because he would make up the revenue loss by closing loopholes. For example, he would … well, actually, he refuses to name a single example of a loophole he wants to close.

So the budget is a fraud. No, it's not "imperfect", it's not a bit shaky on the numbers; it's completely based on almost $5 trillion dollars of alleged revenue that are pure fabrication.

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#57 Aug 11 2012 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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Out of curiosity, whom would you have picked (assuming you wanted Romney to win)? I've been mulling it over for weeks and I could never decide. Is the field really that thin, or the "base" really that hard to figure?


Offhand, I'd say Rubio gives him a better chance, but it's a fairly open secret that he has very low hanging fruit on the opp research tree (probably bad news for him for his relection campaign, congrats on being vetted for VP, esse. Also, you know, he's a brown guy, and the potential gaffes of Romney handing him his car keys at the convention, of Romney calling him "boy"...well, you get the idea.

This was a bad time for them to have to make this decision, I don't envy the analysts. Really the right thing to do was to wait and announce at the convention and see if they somehow could turn around some of the softness in the numbers. That aside, while it's easy to see the superficial logic behind Ryan, it's an extremely high risk proposition. There is no viable "Ryan Plan". Literally. It's a talking point. Maybe that's enough these days, obviously voters don't actually read position papers or the like, they just want to know there's something. The problem is, and this is really staggering when you consider it, that the GOP came up with (possibly the only) a VP challenger that Biden it going to absolutely destroy with working class whites. Biden's a weak VP, a detriment to the campaign in many ways, I felt that way when he was announced, I feel that way now. He does a few strong "moves" in a political sense, though, and those primarily revolve around his ability to to project empathy for working class baby boomers and their fears about retirement, growing old, and whatever those self entitles whiny ******** are afraid of these days.

As strengths go this is really fairly useless...UNLESS, you prop a Costello to his Abbot (baby boomers are old, get it?) in the form of some cartoonish slick haired 40 year old douchebag who talks about ending medicare and social security, and looks like the younger ******* most of them end working for in their later years who ignores their accomplishments and takes credit for their work.

But I mean, really, what are the odds of that happening?

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No more taxes! Whoooo! Awesome!

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Under Paul Ryan's plan, Mitt Romney wouldn't pay any taxes for the next ten years -- or any of the years after that. Now, do I know that that's true. Yes, I'm certain.

Well, maybe not quite nothing. In 2010 -- the only year we have seen a full return from him -- Romney would have paid an effective tax rate of around 0.82 percent under the Ryan plan, rather than the 13.9 percent he actually did. How would someone with more than $21 million in taxable income pay so little? Well, the vast majority of Romney's income came from capital gains, interest, and dividends. And Ryan wants to eliminate all taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends.
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It might seem impossible to fund the government when the super-rich pay no taxes. That is accurate. Ryan would actually raise taxes on the bottom 30 percent of earners, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, but that hardly fills the revenue hole he would create. The solution? All but eliminate all government outside of Social Security and defense
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#60 Aug 12 2012 at 2:19 AM Rating: Excellent
My fiance mentioned Rubio was kind of hot, so I told them about his thoughts on her ******. That settled that.

And honestly, I guess they're just hoping everyone forgets about the whole losings lots of woman voters during their primary 'cause Ryan really doesn't help them there. The big question is who wins the popularity contest in the wake of citizen's united & how crazy the adds get because of all that $. And, given that the people with the most money would benifit the most by the Romney-Ryan ticket...

Oh what am I saying, Romney's gonna fuck it up somehow.
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Reaching out onto the narrow-minded branch, I conclude that Michele Bachmann miffed at being snubbed as vp running-mate attempts to steal the spotlight back by escalating her crazy charges of conspiracy.

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Reaching out onto the narrow-minded branch, I conclude that Michele Bachmann miffed at being snubbed as vp running-mate attempts to steal the spotlight back by escalating her crazy charges of conspiracy.

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Reaching out onto the narrow-minded branch, I conclude that Michele Bachmann miffed at being snubbed as vp running-mate attempts to steal the spotlight back by escalating her crazy charges of conspiracy.

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Bachmann's office sent out a speech Friday given by conservative scholar and former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy, who says Bachmann and four other Republicans in Congress "actually understated the case" against Clinton aide Huma Abedin.


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Sadly, there's no need to make this Shit up.

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According to a tweet from last night (hey look! I use Twitter now too!), Darrell Issa and the House Oversight Committee will be filing charges against Attorney General Eric Holder today, in an attempt to force him to turn over more Fast & Furious documentation.
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Ick, **** no. But now I'm on Twitter Smiley: smile
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There's a certain wry amusement to be found in the GOP decrying how mean Obama has been... and then immediately going with the Lee Atwater style dog-whistle racism ads about welfare.

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Smiley: disappointed

To be fair, it's because my new ZAM overlord said we should. I'll mostly just be posting articles and stuff to it. And then getting drunk from time to time and putting up my best Anthony Wiener impersonations.
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I honestly regret every bad thing I ever said about it; it's let me converse with people in the gaming industry that I'd never have a direct line to otherwise.

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It's nice to be able to look down on Joph from my lofty 194 tweet lead.

Now to work on that 48,000 post deficit....
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Prepare to get Tweet-spammed 195 times, motherfucker Smiley: mad

Sometimes I get someone who decides to follow me for a day which always confuses me. Then they stop following me, but that part makes a lot more sense.

Also, I hope no one is relying on this thread for riveting election coverage right now.

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#80 Aug 13 2012 at 1:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Prepare to get Tweet-spammed 195 times, motherfucker Smiley: mad

Sometimes I get someone who decides to follow me for a day which always confuses me. Then they stop following me, but that part makes a lot more sense.

Also, I hope no one is relying on this thread for riveting election coverage right now.

Edited, Aug 13th 2012 2:29pm by Jophiel


If their avatar is a mildly attractive-looking girl, then they're almost assuredly a bot. If not, then there's still a 75-90% chance that they're a bot anyway. The dead giveaways are the ratio of tweets/following/followers, links to **** sites in the profile, or tweets that sound like bumper-sticker advice or jokes that come at regular intervals.

I guess the crawlers that they use sometimes search for keywords in your tweets. I'll get follows from bots devoted to particular video games when I mention them by name. But I've also been followed by a bot for a haiku site when I used the word "haiku", and a trademark website for using "trademark", etc. etc.

At one point I had a harem of about 12 **** bots. I was actually kinda bummed when they all left after a couple weeks. Smiley: lol
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No, they're usually people following politics. I think sometimes someone just trawls through John Avlon's followers list or something.
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Pfft, I've been signed up for Twitter for over a year and have 23 tweets. Like they'd believe that!!!

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I have a Twitter account that I use just for entering crap online. It's full of useless follows and followers. I sometimes think about making another account that I might actually use. Then I can follow you guys, since I really just don't get enough of you here.
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I have a Twitter account that I use just for entering crap online. It's full of useless follows and followers. I sometimes think about making another account that I might actually use. Then I can follow you guys, since I really just don't get enough of you here.


I'm sure Joph's account is just a GMG retweeting bot, anyway.


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It's pretty much a given that the Ryan pick represents a feeling that Romney wasn't holding his base. Traditionally, you pick a VP who fills some of the holes in your resume. Ryan is a complete hand-over to the conservative base who had been demanding in recent weeks that he get the slot.


I think that the sense was that by picking Ryan, they make it a contest of ideas rather than popularity. IMO, it's not a bad choice. Actually, I think it's a very good choice.

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The flip side of this is that whatever pretend-moderate stances Romney might have taken are tossed out the window. He has aligned himself with an unpopular budget that dismantles Medicare and refuses to raise revenues to combat the nation's debt/deficit problems. Obama had been hoping to run against Ryan and now he has his chance.


I think that this may be a case of being careful of what you wish for, because you might just get it. I suspect that the tipping point for the decision of Ryan as VP was related to what we were talking about last week with polling. I watched some panel yesterday talking about it, and I guess that the NYT did a piece basically saying that this was what the Dems wanted because then they could make the election about ideas instead of Obama's record. But I think that the Romney camp realized (or feared) that the Left has sufficient influence with the media to run a successful distraction campaign right up to the election, effectively allowing them to avoid having to defend Obama's record anyway. Simply by bringing up a different negative attack on Romney and the GOP each week, they could potentially have pulled that off.


Basically, they don't want to have the public looking at Obama's economic performance and asking if someone else could do better. But with Ryan, they have a target to attack (his budget plans), that appears all tasty and fun. But I suspect it'll backfire. Because if they engage on that front, that gives the Romney campaign the toe in the door they need to make it about economics at least, and not who treats dogs worse, or who's filed how many years of returns, or whether someone's policies/actions resulted in someone dying. Get the Dems to engage on something related to economics, and it gives the Romney campaign the opportunity to contrast their plan with the absence of a plan on the Left. They can point to 3 years of no budgets from the Democrats. They can point to the lack of leadership from Obama.

I think the Dems will not be able to help themselves but to attack Ryan on his budget plans and along the way Romney on Bain. And I think that will ultimately help the GOP.

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I don't know if Romney had a "better" option available. He was losing the election and a forgettable VP pick wasn't going to make him lose any less. But Romney is pretty boring and forgettable himself and this race may well turn into Obama vs Ryan just as last election was dominated by Obama vs Palin with McCain slipping towards the back. Ryan isn't Palin in that he can probably conduct himself better, is smarter and hopefully can name what newspapers he reads but Romney (intentionally or not) has just sidelined himself in relevance this campaign.


I think that the Left is making the mistake of thinking this is more about the people than the policies. Polling numbers today aside (which are more about popularity), the last couple years have shown a voting public increasingly disappointed with more empty rhetoric and increasingly demanding actual plans and results. I think that the Ryan pick puts the Romney campaign firmly into the "we've go the ideas and solutions", and makes this an easy comparison between the guys who have those ideas and solutions and the guys who just hope they can distract Americans from their problems with clever rhetoric. It signals that Romney isn't going to just run on surface level politics, but will attempt to show that his team has skill and capability while the other side just looks pretty.


Oh. And Ryan will absolutely decimate Biden in any sort of debate. In an environment where the public demands straight talk, Ryan walks away with the win here.
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I think that the Ryan pick puts the Dems in the position of having to attack the Ryan budgets. Which at least puts something related to economics in front of the public, as opposed to endless media stories about dogs in containers and the virtues of dressage. It's a smart pick in that it allows the GOP to at least somewhat force the debate to be about economic policy. Of course, they still have to win that debate, but at least it gives them some control over their own destiny. If they succeed in convincing people that the sorts of economic policies reflected in Romey's actions at Bain and Ryans budget proposals are what American needs, they will win. If they don't, they will lose. It's a good risk IMO.
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It's as though you've never watched a debate in your life Smiley: laugh

Biden is much more folksy and affable which counts for a lot in those things. The only reason people didn't say Palin bombed in the debate was because of folksy connection with the audience. Not that I think Biden can't defend on policy but I expect neither side will "destroy" anyone.
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I don't think people are going to be all that impressed by a plan that requires 5 trillion dollars to appear out of thin air and raises taxes on low income households.
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It's as though you've never watched a debate in your life Smiley: laugh

Biden is much more folksy and affable which counts for a lot in those things.


I suspect that'll be worth a lot less this time around than at any time during our adult lifetimes Joph. You get that this is really the first presidential election cycle in 32 years in which the US has actually been in a down economy for an entire presidential term, right? You and I (and pretty much everyone on this forum) have lived our entire adult lives in which the assumption of a robust growing US economy was the norm, so election politics became around who had the most clever lines, or the most appealing personality, etc.

I suspect that the voters will want a bit more substance this time around. Because for most of them (just as for most of us), this is the first time they've felt that the actual economic health of the nation is at stake. You'll need more than clever sounding slogans, doubly so when you're the guys trying to run for a second term after the first term went so poorly.

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Uh huh. Which is why Romney's choice shows a marked change from past approaches to presidential elections. He's betting that the voters care about real proposals, real ideas, and real solutions. He's making a sharp contrast between his ticket and Obama's, and making economic policy the front and center difference. Again, I happen to think this was absolutely the right thing to do. He could have done this with several possible VP picks, but Ryan probably serves that purpose better than any.

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Thanks, I will? I guess?

I spent last election watching you get every grand prediction wrong. Maybe this time will be different but I'm not exactly inspired to engage you in the same rhetoric until something new actually happens.
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#97 Aug 13 2012 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think people are going to be all that impressed by a plan that requires 5 trillion dollars to appear out of thin air and raises taxes on low income households.


First off. It doesn't. It assumes that by committing to not raising taxes (on anyone), that job creators will feel safer investing in longer term job creation. This will lower the unemployment rate and increase the GDP growth rate. That, in turn, will increase tax revenues without raising a single rate. Over time, it will help to eliminate the deficit. It also assumes cuts in spending to make up the difference. It's a longer term plan. The critics assume that no new jobs will be created and that no economic growth will occur, and engage in zero sum economics to assume that in order to close the deficit, the GOP would then have to raise taxes. Then they speculate that those tax increases will be levied on the middle and working classes. It's all pretty speculative.


Secondly, what are we comparing it against? In the absence of a plan from the Dems, we *will* still go in debt at an increasing rate in the future. The same 5 trillion (more) shortfall will occur. The counter from the left is like insisting that bandaging a wound is pointless because it might not stop the bleeding, with the alternative simply being to not bandage it at all. Ryan's plans at least attempt to do something about the deficit and debt. What exactly is the Dem's plan? Nothing. Just sit around wailing and gnashing our teeth while we fall further in debt. Yeah. Great plan!


The reality is that the GOP has proposed dozens of budgets in the House over the last 2 years. The Dems in the Senate are so scared of making any decision at all that they wont even bring them for a vote or even propose their own budgets at all. Talk about cowardice. And Obama has been completely absent from leading his party in any way in this. And this is *not* just about partisan politics. The Dems failed to pass a budget in 2010, when they still controlled both houses of Congress. They've dug themselves such a deep hole that they can't think of a solution and are afraid to even suggest one. They know that their own members will not go along with the kinds of tax increases that would be necessary to pay our way out of debt, but they can't bring themselves to admit that the GOP was right all along, so they just sit there dong nothing.


I'll ask again: Where is the Dem plan? Not a speech. Not a sound bite. Where is the actual, on paper proposal scored by the CBO, showing what they would do? So isn't the choice really between leadership and no leadership? This is why Ryan was a good choice. He puts that discrepancy between the party's (and the candidates for president) front and center. GOP has a plan. Dems have no plan. And every single time the Dems attack Ryan's plan, they're reminding the public of this fact.
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#98 Aug 13 2012 at 7:45 PM Rating: Excellent
Every time I hear a Republican say "job creator" I laugh. Rich people do not create jobs. Demand creates jobs. Giving these rich people more money (i.e. less taxes) will NOT create sufficient consumer demand to turn around the economy.

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#99 Aug 13 2012 at 9:13 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Actually, I think it's a very good choice.


Color me surprised. Smiley: rolleyes

The GOP could pick Big Bird to run for *anything* and he'd think it was a good choice.
#100 Aug 13 2012 at 9:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Almost nobody ever gets "destroyed" in any presidential debate.

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#101 Aug 14 2012 at 1:11 AM Rating: Excellent
Gbaji wrote:
Which is why Romney's choice shows a marked change from past approaches to presidential elections. He's betting that the voters care about real proposals, real ideas, and real solutions. He's making a sharp contrast between his ticket and Obama's, and making economic policy the front and center difference. Again, I happen to think this was absolutely the right thing to do. He could have done this with several possible VP picks, but Ryan probably serves that purpose better than any.


I think Ryan has made real proposals & has real ideas, but besides renaming a post office & passing another bill that did something with taxes on arrows, what has Ryan solved in 10+ years in congress? Making economic policy front & center is a pretty bad idea when your VP's plan will reduce your taxes to less than 1%...

Ryan's good looking, can speak well, & shores up the base a bit. What else does he actually bring to the table?
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