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#353 Sep 19 2012 at 7:04 AM Rating: Excellent

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What's sad is you actually think obama hasn't already bailed on all our mideast allies in support of the very radical muslim brotherhood.


Whelp, gone are the days of overtly installing puppet governments friendly to US businesses. Now we do it by killing the uppity ones via remote control. It takes longer & costs more $, but way fewer casualties on our side.

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Of course russia and china love obama because he's so easy to bully.


To be fair, Putin is always the scariest motherfucker in any given room.

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And don't get me started on how poorly Obama's handled the economy. Granted this is no surprise considering his lack of experience with the free market.


Dude made millions before he was President by writing a BOOK. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Smash was Thundra!

You know the scariest part of this is that, when discussing the first generation of forum dwellers, I can name what class most of them played in Everquest. Samira was a druid, Smash a warrior, Gbaji had a paladin and a wizard, Thundra was a monk (and then beastlord), Totem a shaman, Kao a ranger, etc.

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#357 Sep 19 2012 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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THEN WHO WAS PHONE?!
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#358 Sep 19 2012 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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#359 Sep 19 2012 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey now I was the first to use a small letter preceding caps. Stop stealing my intellectual property or I will sue you.
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#361 Sep 19 2012 at 9:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey now I was the first to use a small letter preceding caps. Stop stealing my intellectual property or I will sue you.


Pfft whatever I've been doing it for years. Have a lawsuit of my own out, apple is going down.
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#363 Sep 19 2012 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/watch-full-secret-video-private-romney-fundraiser

full video or audio track is up.

You wanted it and you got it Mitt.

This is going to make the debates seriously awesome.
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#364 Sep 19 2012 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I haven't watched the whole thing (and won't) but it sounds like there's no more big bombshell quotes. Plenty of stuff to reinforce what you already think, good or bad, but nothing to make headlines.

Which probably explains why Mother Jones was happy enough to post the whole thing at this point rather than milking it.
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#365 Sep 19 2012 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Ya ive watched about half of it now, and for the most part the big hit stuff has already been put out there. I am more or less just watching to see if any clever editing was done. As such (about 25 minutes into part 1) the sound bytes (or vid bytes?) are full sections and not clever editing.

But ya, might not be any reason to watch the whole thing, first 10 minutes is just him talking about his life or whatever, you know rich folks stuff and keeping it in the family.


Although it is funny his trip to China story. Visiting a sweat shop that he bought lol.

Edited, Sep 19th 2012 11:44am by rdmcandie
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#366 Sep 19 2012 at 9:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Huh, turns out he's a rich entitled douchebag who thinks he made it through hard work and that his advantages at birth are just coincidence.

Shocking.
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He didn't have the advantage of being Latino, smart guy!
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He didn't have the advantage of being Latino, smart guy!


There is a lot of pressure being born into a wealthy, influential white family in the US. I mean it's not like you can just fail over and over and run businesses into the ground in a drunken haze before buying a baseball team and succeed in politics. You still have to WORK at it, just like anyone else...
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#369 Sep 19 2012 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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http://taxfoundation.org:81/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/20100524-229-nonpayers-map-.jpg

Romney's 47% comment breakdown. Hammer on your own voters, seems legit.

and a fancy article explaining it. (for those who like facts.)
http://taxfoundation.org:81/article/states-vary-widely-number-tax-filers-no-income-tax-liability

Also this is kind of funny:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/327793/romney-campaign-borrowed-20-million-robert-costa#

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Before the Republican National Convention, Mitt Romney was the Republican nominee in all but name. By law, however, he could only spend primary donations until he officially became nominee. To increase cash flow during the interregnum, the Romney campaign borrowed $20 million.

“We realized that we could collateralize this debt with $20 million of general-election funds that were already sitting in our bank account,” a senior Romney aide says, speaking exclusively with National Review Online.


Isn't Romney worth like 250 million? 20 million should be pocket change.

Edited, Sep 19th 2012 12:32pm by rdmcandie
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#370 Sep 19 2012 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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#371 Sep 19 2012 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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Candidates rarely enjoy spending their own money on campaign operations. That's what donors are for.


But who is going to pay back that money when the election is over? the GOP? They backed the investment with the General Election fund, when that money is gone the 20 mil is now an unbacked loan, thus the GOP could technically just not bother paying it back, and not lose any initial assets in return.

Sure they will get nasty phone calls from creditors, but in all honesty would you donate to the GOP after the fact to help them pay off election bills they couldn't afford in the first place? (assuming of course you were a GOP supporter).
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#372 Sep 19 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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Why would they have any difficulty paying it back? They had the money, but it was held up for legal reasons, so they paid a bit of cash to use other peoples money instead of their own until their account was unlocked.
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Sure they will get nasty phone calls from creditors, but in all honesty would you donate to the GOP after the fact to help them pay off election bills they couldn't afford in the first place? (assuming of course you were a GOP supporter).


Yes, happens every election. The money people know it's not just about this election. They're not little people.
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#374 Sep 19 2012 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I only said that because in the article says they will be having a fundraising drive to repay the remainder of the loan.

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When federal election reports are released later this week, they’ll show debt of $15 million, but the campaign’s actual debt is roughly $11 million. The campaign will soon begin fundraising to pay off the remainder.
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As I recall, Romney sank a substantial amount of his own money into his failed 2008 primary run. I'm guessing doing it a second time didn't sound too appealing.
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As I recall, Romney sank a substantial amount of his own money into his failed 2008 primary run. I'm guessing doing it a second time didn't sound too appealing.


But this time he could be President! (if he didn't have to talk.)
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Sure they will get nasty phone calls from creditors, but in all honesty would you donate to the GOP after the fact to help them pay off election bills they couldn't afford in the first place? (assuming of course you were a GOP supporter).


Yes, happens every election. The money people know it's not just about this election. They're not little people.

Laying the groundwork for Palin/Christie 2016?
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Laying the groundwork for Palin/Christie 2016?


Bush/Cantor seems more likely. They have to figure out this **** they have going now isn't working when they lose an election with the worst economic situation ever.
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#379gbaji, Posted: Sep 19 2012 at 5:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The only thing interesting about this is what a "huge deal" the left is making of it. Romney's pointing out something that is true (how many people don't pay taxes), and something else that's true (this makes them beholden to entitlements), and something else that's true (Democrats will hold this over that group to make them vote for them). Every single time a Democrat says "vote for me or you'll lose <insert government funded benefit here>" they're doing exactly what Romney is talking about.
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The only thing interesting about this is what a "huge deal" the left is making of it. Romney's pointing out something that is true (how many people don't pay taxes), and something else that's true (this makes them beholden to entitlements), and something else that's true (Democrats will hold this over that group to make them vote for them). Every single time a Democrat says "vote for me or you'll lose <insert government funded benefit here>" they're doing exactly what Romney is talking about.


I agree, Romney's getting raked over the coals for telling the truth: but that truth isn't what you made out of it. The truth, is that "not paying income taxes" isn't the same as paying "no taxes" as these "47%ers" are still getting payroll taxes taken out. Furthermore, isn't the Republican party the "no tax" party? If these people were really paying NO taxes (which they aren't), shouldn't they be some sort of Conservative Heroes? Shouldn't Republicans be able to sell their trickle down economics to these "victims"?

The truth is, the Republican party is really only interested in a certain class of people paying no taxes & since they can't get the 47%ers to vote for them, they aren't included.
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What's funny is all the liberals scrambling to make this about Romney being mean and away from Romney being right. You are correct though, this will make the debates more interesting. What this video shows is the sharp contrast between Obama and Romney on the issue of taxes and entitlements. Believe it or not, this plays better for Romney than Obama in the election. ****. I wouldn't be surprised if the Romney camp arranged for this video to get "leaked". Free advertisement that their guy is on the right side of what really is the most significant socio-economic difference between left and right. He'd have had to spend 10s of millions of dollars to get that out to all the conservatives in the country who are cheering him on right now.

Ssssh. But don't tell the liberal media that.


What's really funny is how this video shows Republicans have written off minorities almost completely.

Romney wrote:
My dad, you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company, but he was born in Mexico. And had he been born of Mexican parents I'd have a better shot at winning this, but he was [audience laughs] unfortunately born of Americans living in Mexico. They'd lived there for a number of years, and, uh, I mean I say that jokingly, but it'd be helpful if they'd been Latino…


This is funny because it's true, but also hypocritical. Wouldn't exploiting his fictional Latino heritage exploit the very identity/victim/47%er politics he claims to despise?

It also exposes another truth: The Republican party, & Romney, aren't above using racial/class politics into scaring rich white donors into giving him more money. If they can't get the minority vote they'll try & buy it.
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Oversample! Oversample!!

Anyway, the obvious issue for Romney here isn't that millions of people are going to change their vote based on this one incident. The immediate issue is that Romney is spending his "re-launch" week on this rather than re-launching. It also acts as a reinforcement of the still widely negative image much of the country has of Romney as an out-of-touch plutocrat. Now we get Romney saying "of course" he cares about the poor and his wife on TV saying he absolutely doesn't disdain the less fortunate. That's not exactly playing offense.
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You know the scariest part of this is that, when discussing the first generation of forum dwellers, I can name what class most of them played in Everquest. Samira was a druid, Smash a warrior, Gbaji had a paladin and a wizard, Thundra was a monk (and then beastlord), Totem a shaman, Kao a ranger, etc.

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#383 Sep 19 2012 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/watch-full-secret-video-private-romney-fundraiser

full video or audio track is up.

You wanted it and you got it Mitt.

This is going to make the debates seriously awesome.


The only thing interesting about this is what a "huge deal" the left is making of it. Romney's pointing out something that is true (how many people don't pay taxes), and something else that's true (this makes them beholden to entitlements), and something else that's true (Democrats will hold this over that group to make them vote for them). Every single time a Democrat says "vote for me or you'll lose <insert government funded benefit here>" they're doing exactly what Romney is talking about.


But the majority of people who don't pay taxes are known republican voters. 27% of those Romney included in not paying taxes are elderly citizens who the majority of vote republican. Of the remaining 20% over half reside in the southern Red Block states and are likely republican supporters.

It has nothing to do with the taxes even, that part of the comment doesn't concern me, and I don't find it funny. What I do find funny is that Romney dismissed nearly half of the voters, saying that he doesn't care to win their vote, which in politics clearly means he doesn't care to be their president. This is supported by earlier comments where Romney stated he did not care for poor people. Whom make up a large % of people who are not paying these taxes, and again a majority of whom are actually voters who live in Red Block states.


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What's funny is all the liberals scrambling to make this about Romney being mean and away from Romney being right. You are correct though, this will make the debates more interesting. What this video shows is the sharp contrast between Obama and Romney on the issue of taxes and entitlements. Believe it or not, this plays better for Romney than Obama in the election. ****. I wouldn't be surprised if the Romney camp arranged for this video to get "leaked". Free advertisement that their guy is on the right side of what really is the most significant socio-economic difference between left and right. He'd have had to spend 10s of millions of dollars to get that out to all the conservatives in the country who are cheering him on right now.


No what is funny is Romney saying he doesn't care for half the american population. That is what is funny. He clearly doesn't care to help these people open doors into becoming tax paying citizens. In order to do that they need better jobs, more cost effective health care, support for food and shelter in some cases, support for expensive medications. All things that help people save money, and either invest it into something, or eventually becoming a home owner, or buy a new car, or send their kids to college so maybe they can have a better life.


Probably the funniest part will be seeing him trying to answer these social policy and foreign policy questions. He is a known flip flopper so it will be humorous to see how he answers. Will he cave into the 47% of America he just publicly chastised, will he flip flop on his comments about palestine, or Iran. I mean he did call them all crazy so it will be interesting to see where the Arab Voters stand.

That is what will be funny. He has to go for 270 minutes next month toeing the line released in this video, or he will be pummeled to death with flip flop attack adds, not that it matters anyway, it will take a collapse of monumental proportions to have Romney in the White House.




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#384 Sep 19 2012 at 10:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Laying the groundwork for Palin/Christie 2016?


Bush/Cantor seems more likely. They have to figure out this sh*t they have going now isn't working when they lose an election with the worst economic situation ever.

Really? They're gonna keep the dynasty alive with Jeb?
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What's funny is all the liberals scrambling to make this about Romney being mean and away from Romney being right.


Two minor issues. He's not right, the total tax burden as a percentage of income on many of the people he's speaking of is far higher than his own. Secondly, it's not mean that comes across, it's hopelessly out of touch. It's hurting him, and badly. Pretend otherwise if you like, but this completely undermines the whole persona they spent 300 million selling. They would have been better off buying people pens that said "vote Romney!"
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Yep. It was theirs to lose, and it looks like they're embracing the loss. I almost feel like it's deliberate.

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Laying the groundwork for Palin/Christie 2016?


Bush/Cantor seems more likely. They have to figure out this sh*t they have going now isn't working when they lose an election with the worst economic situation ever.

Really? They're gonna keep the dynasty alive with Jeb?
If Carl Rove can keep his hands on the reins of the GOP, Jeb will be the next GOP presidential candidate.


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After days of virtually non-stop political damage control on issues foreign and domestic, Romney told an audience at an Atlanta fundraiser: “The question of this campaign is not who cares about the poor and the middle class. I do. He (Obama) does. The question is who can help the poor and the middle class. I can. He can’t.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-romney-defends-47-percent-remarks-obama-says-president-must-work-for-all-not-just-some/2012/09/18/91e94212-01fa-11e2-bbf0-e33b4ee2f0e8_story.html

Guess I didn't have to wait until the debates to get a laugh out of this one. Not even a week after standing by his comments, Rmoney flip flops again. Of course we already know how Rmoney feels about the poor.

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I almost feel like it's deliberate.
Glad I'm not the only one.

I don't feel like it's deliberate so much as no one seems to be making any attempt at keeping Romney from inadvertently sabotaging his own campaign.
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I almost feel like it's deliberate.
Glad I'm not the only one.

I don't feel like it's deliberate so much as no one seems to be making any attempt at keeping Romney from inadvertently sabotaging his own campaign.


I think their bigger concern is how to not let it slip into an overarching mindset on the GOP as a whole. I am pretty sure they recognize the election for president is all but over, but how much collateral damage is going to spread into the Congressional and Senate races.
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After days of virtually non-stop political damage control on issues foreign and domestic, Romney told an audience at an Atlanta fundraiser: “The question of this campaign is not who cares about the poor and the middle class. I do. He (Obama) does. The question is who can help the poor and the middle class. I can. He can’t.”

The difference being that Obama doesn't say that he doesn't have to care about the poor because they have a safety net.

Or that the poor in the safety net are self-entitled and self-perceived "victims" demanding that the government care for them and unwilling to take any personal responsibility for their lives.
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No what is funny is Romney saying he doesn't care for half the american population. That is what is funny.


To be fair, he was speaking about securing votes.

I do think that he's generally of the mind that "the poor are poor because they're doing something wrong." and by extension, doesn't feel particularly compelled to serve their interests. But that's conjecture, not something he's directly said.
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I dunno I can only understand flip flop for so long after a while I just assume the guy is bat ****.
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Or that the poor in the safety net are self-entitled and self-perceived "victims" demanding that the government care for them and unwilling to take any personal responsibility for their lives.


He does say they're crackers and cling to God Guns and Gays if I recall. Candidates say stupid **** at fundraisers. Was fortunate for the big O that not many anti *** marriage 2nd amendment loving evangelicals were voting for him anyway. Romney on the other had makes up about 40% of his votes from the underclass he's ******* on.
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Write that book, Jared Diamond.

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To be fair, he was speaking about securing votes.

He directly said that those 47% were too self-entitled, self-declared victims and too lazy and uninterested in personal responsibility to try and get their votes.

He can try and spin that now into "But I really do care about you" but that's his uphill road to travel.
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Was fortunate for the big O that not many anti *** marriage 2nd amendment loving evangelicals were voting for him anyway.

That and six months to put it behind him versus six weeks.
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Jophiel wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
To be fair, he was speaking about securing votes.

He directly said that those 47% were too self-entitled, self-declared victims and too lazy and uninterested in personal responsibility to try and get their votes.

He can try and spin that now into "But I really do care about you" but that's his uphill road to travel.

Iir he said he was writing off the 47%. I took that to mean he was writing them off as perspective voters in the election versus writing them off as american citizens. But then yeah, he did go on to say stupid and stupider stuff.

He seemed to genuinely think, or at least genuinely think he could convince his audience, that the 47% that payed no net taxes were the same 47% that said they were voting for Obama in a poll. That seems rather self defeating whether trying to secure votes or campaign contributions.
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Iir he said he was writing off the 47%. I took that to mean he was writing them off as perspective voters in the election versus writing them off as american citizens. But then yeah, he did go on to say stupid and stupider stuff.


He did. The most damaging one is too subtle to use on most voters, though. "I inherited nothing" as if Daddy's connections and the guarantee of a robust safety net in the case of any failure allowing him to risk at will was an identical circumstance to someone born into abject poverty.
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