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#452 Sep 21 2012 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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Well. the other thing is he can do is amend his return and later claim the rest of that charitable giving and to bring down his rate. Obviously this would be done after the election when it no longer matters.

He could probably swing a 9-10%, but I'd have to look into it more than I want to at the moment.

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The number I heard was 9% but it's just that... the number I heard. I don't have a real cite for it and am too lazy to look for one.
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#454 Sep 21 2012 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
"Around" 9% was stated in the Gawker article, via buzzfeed.
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#455 Sep 21 2012 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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Well then, back of the napkin math wins again!
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#456 Sep 21 2012 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
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To play devil's advocate, it would be kinda bogus to figure someone's tax rate based on their income before charity. They're giving that income away and getting nothing in return - it's not even like a deductible business expense, where you get something of tangible value like labor or supplies. So it's not really even part of your income anymore, and shouldn't be included in that calculation.

But then to play devil's advocate with myself, not all charitable donations are truly devoid of value to one's self, and it is bogus that the Mormon church is considered a charity. Maybe if he was donating to some subsidiary of the Mormon church called like "The Mormon Church's Fund to Feed Homeless" or something, and that money couldn't be funneled back up into the main church administration, then it would feel better.

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Or he could just donate straight to the Church of LDS, it's deductible too.
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To play devil's advocate

To be clear, I'm less worried about his actual tax rate but rather I find it funny that he would blatantly manipulate his taxes to meet a predetermined tax rate for political purposes, admit to doing exactly that and do so on the heels of declaring that if he paid any less taxes than legally required, he wasn't fit to be president.

I don't think this event disqualifies him to be president except that he's a terrible, terrible campaigner and this just reflects that.

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Yeah, I know. I still think, in the spirit of the forum, there's value in discussing the actual merits of the various campaign mistakes, as separate from their predicted effect on voter perception.

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As much as the tax thing is interesting, I am more interested on the 3.5 million he made and did not have to claim taxes on. So 1.9 mil out in taxes, 3.5 Mil in in untaxable revenue. A tidy 1.6 Million Net Profit. Not to bad if you ask me. I wonder how many of those 20 years he earned a net profit dodging tax on income, while still paying 13%+.

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#461 Sep 21 2012 at 9:31 PM Rating: Excellent
Dodging taxes is the American conservative way. Just ask gbaji.
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Dodging taxes is the American conservative way. Just ask gbaji.


Unless your poor & black. Then you're a freeloading victim.
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Dodging taxes is the American conservative way. Just ask gbaji.


Unless your poor & black. Then you're a freeloading victim.


Or destroying the sanctity of marriage.
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Lmfao.

I was too!

But I figured you'd be less amused by the #RomneyShambles seeing as how he's going to lose the election.

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Mitt Romney's campaign packed the audience for the Univision forum at the University of Miami this week by busing in supporters "after exhausting the few conservative groups on campus," BuzzFeed reports.

Staffers even threatened to reschedule the event if organizers did not allow the exception to their student-only rule.

This must explain how he's cleaning up that Hispanic vote Smiley: laugh

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#469 Sep 22 2012 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I think
Yeah I believe that.
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#470 Sep 22 2012 at 8:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I think we all know Obama's going to pull a carter.


If Romney ran against Carter, he'd lose too.
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#471 Sep 24 2012 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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...and the hits keep coming.

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Romney’s wife, Ann, was in attendance, and the candidate spoke of the concern he had for her when her plane had to make an emergency landing Friday en route to Santa Monica because of an electrical malfunction.

“I appreciate the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound. And I don’t think she knows just how worried some of us were,” Romney said. “When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no — and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous.


Smiley: facepalm

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The crowd also heard from comedian Dennis Miller and musician and record producer David Foster, portions of the evening that were closed to reporters but acknowledged by the Romneys.

“I want to thank Dennis Miller for not just the humor, but the truth in the humor,” Romney said. “Much of what he said tonight, much of what he said was very encouraging and uplifting.”


When did Dennis Miller become a Republican? This is the first I've heard of him in a while.

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Yeah I think we all know Obama's going to pull a carter.


You mean win a Nobel Prize? He already did that. If you mean move to Georgia and farm peanuts, well, that's just racist.
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Dennis Miller claims he had an epiphany when 9/11 occurred that only conservatives knew how to defend us, yadda yadda. I think he's moderate on social issues and might be more libertarian but, really, I just find his show tedious and so never listen to it enough to say for sure.

I'm guessing the plane has air masks but I can't get too worked up about being concerned for your spouse or missing that fact when talking about it soon after.
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Dennis Miller was one of those SNL people that didn't become successful afterwards.
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Could be worse. He could be Victoria Jackson.
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At least Victoria Jackson had the decency to realize she wasn't funny and fell off the Earth.
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Dennis Miller claims he had an epiphany when 9/11 occurred that only conservatives knew how to defend us, yadda yadda. I think he's moderate on social issues and might be more libertarian but, really, I just find his show tedious and so never listen to it enough to say for sure.


I think the epiphany was that he was a sh*tty topical comedian and his Regan jokes were getting a little stale. Given the state of Conservative comedy, I'm sure he saw a market ripe for plundering. Amazingly, godfather Foxworthy allowed him to live for some strange reason.
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No debate on him being shitty.

And Vikki Jackson writes a blog for World Net Daily Smiley: laugh
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And Vikki Jackson writes a blog for World Net Daily Smiley: laugh
A quick google search reveals she thinks Obama is Hitler and that all Muslims kill people. I don't remember her being that funny on SNL.
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At least Victoria Jackson had the decency to realize she wasn't funny and fell off the Earth.

You need to give her some credit though. She was smart enough to take a part in the awesome UHF.
#481 Sep 24 2012 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
Add flight to the long list of things Romney doesn't understand.

Romney wrote:
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no - and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem. So it's very dangerous."


Yes Governor, being able to open the windows on airplanes is a wonderful idea. The GOP should make it part of their platform.
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Add flight to the long list of things Romney doesn't understand.

Romney wrote:
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no - and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem. So it's very dangerous."


Yes Governor, being able to open the windows on airplanes is a wonderful idea. The GOP should make it part of their platform.


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Omegavegeta wrote:
Add flight to the long list of things Romney doesn't understand.

Romney wrote:
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no - and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem. So it's very dangerous."


Yes Governor, being able to open the windows on airplanes is a wonderful idea. The GOP should make it part of their platform.

Even better is to introduce fresh oxygen to an enclosed fire! Brilliant!
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Jophiel wrote:
Dennis Miller claims he had an epiphany when 9/11 occurred that only conservatives knew how to defend us, yadda yadda.

"Pre-emptively killing all the brown people! Brilliant!"
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Even better is to introduce fresh oxygen to an enclosed fire! Brilliant!
You're only saying that because you're a liberal and hate Americans. Those people would die faster, so they suffer less, and the people picking through the wreckage would have something fried to eat. Win win.
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Really, is it that hard for this guy to keep his trap shut. A year ago all he had to do was keep it shut and he would had a decent chance of winning. While each little gaff is not that big on it's own they do start to add up.
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Really, is it that hard for this guy to keep his trap shut. A year ago all he had to do was keep it shut and he would had a decent chance of winning. While each little gaff is not that big on it's own they do start to add up.

You mean like this little gem.....

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Scott Pelley asked the former Massachusetts governor if he thought "the government has a responsibility to provide health care to the 50 million Americans who don't have it today?"

Responded Romney:

"Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance ... if someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and — and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care."

That was basically Romney's way of saying that people who don't have insurance can always go to the hospital emergency room.

Yet in 2010, in an appearance on MSNBC, Romney said almost exactly the opposite: "It doesn't make a lot of sense for us to have millions and millions of people who have no health insurance and yet who can go to the emergency room and get entirely free care for which they have no responsibility," he said at the time.
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2010 doesn't count because it wasn't a presidential election.

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Then she revised her estimation: “This week I called it incompetent, but only because I was being polite,” she wrote. “I really meant ‘rolling calamity.’" That left Chris Wallace at Fox News questioning Ms. Noonan’s “conservative bona fides.”


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There's a survey off of that link that compares how conservative you are in comparison to Romney. Apparently, and varus would completely disagree with this, but I'm a conservative. Romney all the way!!
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varus would completely disagree with this
Well, yeah. That was his (and the ones who have "stepped up to the plate" to replace him) thing.
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It must be the restof the GOP that scares the bejezus out of me
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Romney all the way!

For the most part, you agree with Romney's ideas. You consider yourself a Republican, and you're ready for the GOP to take back the White House!


No I'm an independent, I vote for people on both sides of the aisle, and I really don't care much who wins this year; but keep guessing. Smiley: rolleyes
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Romney all the way!
No I'm an independent,
Clearly you're wrong.

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Your results

You lean left.

You might just be a Democrat, or at the very least an independent. You probably agree with most of President Obama's polices, and you understand the importance of government spending and oversight.
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You lean left.

You might just be a Democrat, or at the very least an independent. You probably agree with most of President Obama's polices, and you understand the importance of government spending and oversight.


Same as rdm.


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