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#252 Sep 17 2012 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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It's currently 3:1 on 538, and 2:1 on intrade. If voting was done today, 9:1.
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#253 Sep 17 2012 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's always a chance, but it's about the same chance as Ron Paul had back in January.
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#254 Sep 17 2012 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's always a chance, but it's about the same chance as Ron Paul had back in January.

That chance... is that people get lazy and don't actually go vote. Polls mean nothing if people don't show up.
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So please vote for Obama, us Canucks need your economy moving forward, not stuck in neutral, or worse reverse.
Is there even a chance Obama won't win at this point? I mean really, we surely haven't hit the point where we need Canada to beg us to vote Obama.


Barring some really nasty October surprise, Obama will probably win. Nate Silver gives him an 80% chance on election day, based on current data.

Actually, because of that a lot of Dem energy is now focusing on downticket races, to try to "upgrade" the Senate and with some serious luck re-take the house.
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Delusional conservatives saying "GOP candidate down by three? He has Obama right where he wants him!"?

What a surpri--- wait, it IS 2008, right?
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#258 Sep 17 2012 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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Wow a bunch of radical lefties think obama's going to win, big surprise.

What distinguishes a radical lefty from a plain old lefty?
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#259 Sep 17 2012 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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#260 Sep 17 2012 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
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Wow a bunch of radical lefties think obama's going to win, big surprise.
What distinguishes a radical lefty from a plain old lefty?
The skateboard.

Edited, Sep 17th 2012 1:02pm by lolgaxe
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#261 Sep 17 2012 at 11:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow a bunch of radical lefties think obama's going to win, big surprise.
What distinguishes a radical lefty from a plain old lefty?
The skateboard.

Edited, Sep 17th 2012 1:02pm by lolgaxe


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#262 Sep 17 2012 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's funny how arguing for a political position becomes convoluted into arguing about vote prediction. If Democrats win, couldn't you just say that they were better at fooling people this election, while maintaining the superiority of the Republican ideology? The best policy doesn't have to be the most popular - it's really okay if its not. You're like someone using sales numbers to justify why their music or movie is critically superior.

If I saw that Romney were up by 100 electoral votes, I wouldn't deny it, I'd say "Well this sucks."

Of course this same thing happened on this forum in 2008: conservatives with blinders on ignoring polling data because it somehow shattered their worldview, I guess?
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Of course this same thing happened on this forum in 2008: conservatives with blinders on ignoring polling data because it somehow shattered their worldview, I guess?


I think that's much of it. A lot of their rhetoric is about appealing to the idea that Obama and his policies are unpopular. There's supposed to be a silent majority backing up all their claims, they won't be happy if they find out that it's not there.

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#264 Sep 17 2012 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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Wow a bunch of radical lefties think obama's going to win, big surprise.
Would you like to make a wager?
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Of course this same thing happened on this forum in 2008: conservatives with blinders on ignoring polling data because it somehow shattered their worldview, I guess?


I think that's much of it. A lot of their rhetoric is about appealing to the idea that Obama and his policies are unpopular. There's supposed to be a silent majority backing up all their claims, they won't be happy if they find out that it's not there.

Edited, Sep 17th 2012 1:39pm by Eske


Or irregardless or their views on Obama's policies they don't really see Romney as the solution.
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#266 Sep 17 2012 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Romney's policies actually aren't all bad. The problem is that his good and bad policies are on the same issues and are subject to change at any given moment.

That, and he's a huge **** The **** he managed to suppress during the primary, but now that there's no one around to look worse than he is, the **** is shining through in all its **** glory.
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#267 Sep 17 2012 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:
If Democrats win, couldn't you just say that they were better at fooling people this election, while maintaining the superiority of the Republican ideology?

You could, but it'd be arbitrary conjecture. Talking about who's going to win is just a little more grounded in fact than who any particular poster believes should win or why they didwill.

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Wow a bunch of radical lefties think obama's going to win, big surprise.
Would you like to make a wager?

Varus already skipped out on mine!
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My new theory is that this not-Varus sock is actually Varus, but he can't let on that he's really the real Varus because he knows that 50 of his daddy's hard earned bucks is soon gonna be a hand-out to a lib!
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My new theory is that this not-Varus sock is actually Varus, but he can't let on that he's really the real Varus because he knows that 50 of his daddy's hard earned bucks is soon gonna be a hand-out to a lib!


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#271 Sep 17 2012 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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Truly, Romney is a font of gaffes.

I swear, he came this close to saying (of Obama supporters, or the poor, or whomever he's lashing out at in this generalizing, ill-advised diatribe) "You know what? Fuck 'em."

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#272 Sep 17 2012 at 2:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unspoken is Obama's 95% of the African-American vote making up a good part of the 47% of Americans who are lazy, entitled slackers who expect the government to do everything for them. Way to tweet that dog whistle, Mitt!

Edited, Sep 17th 2012 3:57pm by Jophiel
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#273 Sep 17 2012 at 3:18 PM Rating: Default
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He "very literally said it," and then in the next sentence he said that middle class was $250k or less, thus giving a more precise answer. I think you're making a big deal out of 2 seconds of misspeaking.


Seems like a nonsensical way of making that point. I mean, the two statements (100k isn't middle class, and middle class is 250k and less) are contradictory, so the second can't be "a more precise answer".

I gather that you're saying that the intention was to say something like "No, 100k isn't middle class, because middle class is actually everything up to 250k, including 100k"? It's possible, but that just strikes me as an odd error of speech.


The confusion comes from folks falling over themselves to make the "Romney thinks 200-250k is middle income" argument so they're leaving out key parts of the conversation.

He was responding to a question about a study showing that in order for his economic plan to work, he would have to eliminate tax deductions for folks earning more than $100k. GS asked "Is $100k middle class?", but it's clear in context that he was really asking if $100k was some kind of cut off point for being "middle class" with everyone above that being "rich". Romney's answer only seems awkward if you don't read the bits leading up to it. It's clear in context that he was saying that middle class extends upwards to the $200-$250k range, not that it starts at that point.

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Either way, it's a gaffe, which is the entire reason that I linked it. And I do think that there's a reason that Romney's prone to such gaffes.


To be fair though, if you have enough people trying really hard to take anything you say out of context, it's pretty close to impossible not to say anything ever that they can do this with.
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#274 Sep 17 2012 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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I think he's more like-able in those videos than in the mass market ones. But uh, I liked Eastwood's speech too, so ymmv.
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I think he's more like-able in those videos than in the mass market ones. But uh, I liked Eastwood's speech too, so ymmv.


He certainly comes off less fake in them, so, well...there's that, I guess.

But to me, he also comes off as condescending, bitter, and more than a little deluded.
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I think he's more like-able in those videos than in the mass market ones.

There ya go. New campaign slogan!

Romney/Ryan 2012: Because Fuck Those 48%

Speaking of, in today's video dump we have Romney saying that it'd be easier for him (running for President) if he was Latino:


Edited, Sep 17th 2012 4:27pm by Jophiel
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#277 Sep 17 2012 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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I think he's more like-able in those videos than in the mass market ones.

There ya go. New campaign slogan!

Romney/Ryan 2012: If it looks like I'm going to win, the markets will be happy,...without actually doing anything.
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That's one **** of a bumper sticker.
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#279 Sep 17 2012 at 3:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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The thing is, I feel like those videos are about as genuine as anything else, which is barely. He was obviously telling that group of people what they wanted to hear so they would raise him millions of dollars. I mean, this:

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They'll probably be looking at what the polls are saying. If it looks like I'm going to win, the markets will be happy. If it looks like the president's going to win, the markets should not be terribly happy. It depends of course which markets you're talking about, which types of commodities and so forth, but my own view is that if we win on November 6th, there will be a great deal of optimism about the future of this country. We'll see capital come back and we'll see—without actually doing anything—we'll actually get a boost in the economy. If the president gets re-elected, I don't know what will happen. I can– I can never predict what the markets will do. Sometimes it does the exact opposite of what I would have expected. But my own view is that if we get a "Taxageddon," as they call it, January 1st, with this president, and with a Congress that can't work together, it's— it really is frightening.


is gibberish, and he doesn't even believe in it. Just a skeazy businessman being skeazy trying to swindle people out of their money.
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The only problem being when someone besides the intended audience hears it.
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is gibberish, and he doesn't even believe in it. Just a skeazy businessman being skeazy trying to swindle people out of their money.


Nah, a non-zero portion of dedicated R voters are giant Jim Kramer watching hyperventilating market timers. It's irrelevant in the grand scheme of economic trending.

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The markets are currently about 550 points from their all time high and have gone up around 6,930 points since their crater in January 2009. I'm not sure what sort of added exuberance we're supposed to see from them.
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#284 Sep 17 2012 at 5:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I expect to see more of the same, based on current polling.

Edit: To clarify; steady growth, not stagnation.

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Credit to David Frum for the tweet:

Only this man can help Romney now...
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It's varus
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He was responding to a question about a study showing that in order for his economic plan to work, he would have to eliminate tax deductions for folks earning more than $100k. GS asked "Is $100k middle class?", but it's clear in context that he was really asking if $100k was some kind of cut off point for being "middle class" with everyone above that being "rich". Romney's answer only seems awkward if you don't read the bits leading up to it. It's clear in context that he was saying that middle class extends upwards to the $200-$250k range, not that it starts at that point.


No, that wasn't his intent, at all. Setting aside your magic xray assumptron view into Romney's brain, let's assume for a moment what you say was true.

Using your view of this:

1. Romney indicates people earning $100k-$250k (or households? I mean how do you raise a family on that pittance?? but I digress) are middle class. With $250k being the upper bound.
2. Romney's economic plan pays for itself by eliminating tax deductions for people making more than $100k, including, obviously, those who make $100k-$250k
3. Eliminating these deductions will raise taxes on those unable to take advantage of them any longer.

To sum up: Gbaji view of Romney's economic plan - Raise taxes on the middle class.

Thanks for making such a salient argument, you @#%^ing buffoon.

Edited, Sep 17th 2012 9:40pm by Smasharoo
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Reading about Romney's three question "press conference", that Spies Like Us clip was remarkably prescient.
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Romney's speech about the "tape" is funny. "It was a QA! It was about how to win votes. Nothing to do with the fact that I hate poor people....or was it I don't care for poor people, I don't remember so please post a full video so I can remember"

(paraphrased ever so slightly.)

Also lol @Romney talking about lowering taxes on the 10-15% of people he wants to sway, when Obama has already lowered taxes on that 10-15% and only wants the super rich to pay their fair share. Honestly how is this guy even running for president. He is like a dude Sarah Palin.

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Romney's comments caught on tape were a nice little window into his over-all philosophy of socio-economics in the US - turned me off more from him more than anything else I've seen or heard during this campaign.






Edited, Sep 18th 2012 2:31pm by Elinda
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"It wasn't elegantly stated, but I stand by what I said."

The first time he shows a backbone, this is the issue it's over.
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So what's the elegant way to call me a leech who refuses to take responsibility for my life and should be written off?

You vote democrat.
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#295 Sep 18 2012 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
Come on guys, just because he said those things then doesn't mean he believes them now.

See: Abortion Rights & Healthcare reform.
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"Remark not intended to be a factual statement."
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Wow, Mitt and Ann on "Live With Kelly and Some Big Black Dude" showing how normal and down-to-Earth they are! Mitt snores! Ann leaves the cap off the toothpaste! Ann gets to much Botox she can't stop smiling! Seriously, she looked fake, like a wax statue...
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So what's the elegant way to call me a leech who refuses to take responsibility for my life and should be written off?


The warroom term I heard was 'closed minded democrat', because it plays well with both the base, independents/ borderlines who see themselves as 'open minded' (read:. guilible) voters, rather than party affiliates.
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If it looks like I'm going to win, the markets will be happy. If it looks like the president's going to win, the markets should not be terribly happy...
If the president gets reelected, I don't know what will happen. I can—I can never predict what the markets will do. Sometimes it does the exact opposite of what I would have expected.


Translation: I just made a prediction...I have NO IDEA IF IT WILL COME TRUE! Smiley: lol
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Ann leaves the cap off the toothpaste!
I'm sure when the cleaning lady comes in to clean later that morning, she replaces the cap on the toothpaste.

Also, they have toothpaste that doesn't require you to remove a cap but to just flip up the cover.
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Romney wrote:
If it looks like I'm going to win, the markets will be happy. If it looks like the president's going to win, the markets should not be terribly happy...
If the president gets reelected, I don't know what will happen. I can—I can never predict what the markets will do. Sometimes it does the exact opposite of what I would have expected.


Translation: I just made a prediction...I have NO IDEA IF IT WILL COME TRUE! Smiley: lol


So, just like CNBC business news.
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