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#52 Jul 27 2012 at 10:06 PM Rating: Decent
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My mom's bare-bones, manual tranny 2002 Saturn still gets 40+MPG, when I'm driving on the highways at least. She never goes more than ten miles at a time in it.
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#53 Jul 27 2012 at 11:08 PM Rating: Good
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I suspect you don't actually know what the word "quantifiably" means.

Literally.


So he intentionally used an ironic meaning of the word which denotes the exact opposite of its real meaning in order to engage in hyperbole? I'll buy that.

Are you on crack? Seriously. Get your fucking head scanned.

Actually, I take that back. This is how you've always been, so you're probably fine. If you did suddenly develop any sense, it'd probably indicate a brain tumor.


You apparently doubt that your wrongness can be quantifiable...in a thread in which YOU POSTED A POLL WHICH ITSELF QUANTIFIES YOUR WRONGNESS.



Edited, Jul 28th 2012 12:18am by trickybeck
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#54 Jul 28 2012 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Living in an area that is both flat and urban, there's zero reason around here to buy a manual except to save a few bucks.

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You haven't experienced the pain of sitting in stop-and-go traffic for 3 hours until you've tried it with a manual transmission.


Heh, if it wasn't for my infatuation with manual due to Initial D then I wouldn't even be considering it. I'll be losing cruise control, stop-and-go traffic will become infuriating instead of boring, and overall gas milage will probably decrease.

Knowing manual like the back of my hand, or rather being able to control the car like it were my own feet, is one of those things I want to do sometime in my lifetime. One of the more realistic ones too, unlike learning ninjutsu.
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#55 Jul 28 2012 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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Personally, driving a manual really all depends on what type of vehicle you're driving. My '94 Nissan Skyline GTS-t pushing 500hp or my new project car (CPV35 with vortech supercharger kit for 400hp) is a blast to drive in traffic or not.

The 4-ton work truck...not so much.

Anyone driving an A/T with 2 feet should be shot*. (Random forum percentage number) of people that do that crap are riding their brakes, and us poor slobs behind them have no friggin' clue why the **** they're braking or when they're actually going to brake harder. Said group also tends to forget about using their turn indicators too.

*Unless your drifting, but then we wouldn't be having this discussion other than "E-braking is not drifting"
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#56 Jul 29 2012 at 7:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Deadgye wrote:
Heh, if it wasn't for my infatuation with manual due to Initial D then I wouldn't even be considering it. I'll be losing cruise control, stop-and-go traffic will become infuriating instead of boring, and overall gas milage will probably decrease.

You can have cruise control with a manual trans.


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#57 Jul 29 2012 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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Heh, if it wasn't for my infatuation with manual due to Initial D then I wouldn't even be considering it. I'll be losing cruise control, stop-and-go traffic will become infuriating instead of boring, and overall gas milage will probably decrease.

You can have cruise control with a manual trans.
False. Had it on my 5 speed 1991 Totota wagon. I might have had it on my 1979 Datsun B210FU wagon, but that was long ago and I can't be 100% sure on that.
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Friar Bijou wrote:
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Heh, if it wasn't for my infatuation with manual due to Initial D then I wouldn't even be considering it. I'll be losing cruise control, stop-and-go traffic will become infuriating instead of boring, and overall gas milage will probably decrease.

You can have cruise control with a manual trans.
False. Had it on my 5 speed 1991 Totota wagon. I might have had it on my 1979 Datsun B210FU wagon, but that was long ago and I can't be 100% sure on that.

I said you can have it.
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Oops. There must be some explanation as to why I missed that.
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#60 Jul 30 2012 at 2:58 AM Rating: Good
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Oops. There must be some explanation as to why I missed that.
The obvious "I'm blind" would work. Smiley: tongue
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Oops. There must be some explanation as to why I missed that.
The obvious "I'm blind" would work. Smiley: tongue
I have no idea what you are talking about. In the future, I'd appreciate you not jumping to any crazy conclusions.Smiley: motz
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#62 Jul 30 2012 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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trickybeck wrote:
Deadgye wrote:
Heh, if it wasn't for my infatuation with manual due to Initial D then I wouldn't even be considering it. I'll be losing cruise control, stop-and-go traffic will become infuriating instead of boring, and overall gas milage will probably decrease.

You can have cruise control with a manual trans.

Oh, so you can. Wonder how I missed that.
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#63 Jul 30 2012 at 3:37 PM Rating: Default
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You apparently doubt that your wrongness can be quantifiable...in a thread in which YOU POSTED A POLL WHICH ITSELF QUANTIFIES YOUR WRONGNESS.


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Quantifiable evidence would be statistics showing that people who drive automatics with two feet have a higher accident rate than those who don't. Or that their average brake life is shorter. ****. It would be nearly anything other than just pointing to the number of people who think it's more dangerous or inefficient or wrong. What I find fascinating about this subject is that most people feel very very strongly that driving an automatic with two feet is wrong, dangerous, etc, yet other than pointing at all the other people who believe the same as they do, they can't produce any real evidence to support this. It's not a subject I would expect people to be so emotional about, yet comments like "people who do that should be shot" are pretty common whenever the subject is brought up.


There are dozens of studies about the number of accidents caused by pressing the wrong pedal or having a foot slip onto the wrong pedal. All problems directly applicable to using the same foot to operate both pedals. Yet, despite the nearly universal assumption that using two feet is wrong, I'm not aware of a single study actually examining that question. So why the automatic assumption that it's wrong? Seems kinda circular to me.


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#64 Jul 30 2012 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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/shrug. Most people I've heard from on the issue who drive with two feet started driving on a manual transmission (yes. Like me!) and naturally carried over the use of two feet to driving an automatic. For me, it just made a lot more sense to use that foot that was already used to pushing down on something when stopping to pushing on the brake, thus freeing up my right foot for accelerator-only duty. Far far less complicated IMO.


I disagree. When you drive a manual transmission, your left foot is for the clutch and your right foot is for brake/accelerator. In this setup, you already have the learned mechanics for manipulating the brake and accelerator with the right foot. If you take the clutch out of the equation it is far less complicated to just leave the left foot idle and continue using the right foot for brake and accelerator. It would seem to me that retraining your left foot to use the brake is the very definition of complicating things. I've been driving manual transmissions for most of the 20 years I've been driving and I've never had the urge to use my left foot when driving an automatic.

That being said, and as other posters have mentioned, driving with both feet on the pedals is a waste of fuel, puts excess wear on the brakes, and is annoying as **** to the people behind you because the brake lights are constantly on.
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#65 Jul 31 2012 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Wait, people actually do that? Drive an auto with two feet? I learned on a manual, still drive them on occasion and I've never used my left foot in an auto, unless I'm doing something weird (like moving my right foot for some reason).

gbaji, your reasoning is idiotic. Even in a manual your right foot still handles both the gas and brake. The left foot can and should be left idle. It would be totally bizarre to use your left for the brake.

Or, what PF just said.
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#66 Jul 31 2012 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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There are dozens of studies about the number of accidents caused by pressing the wrong pedal or having a foot slip onto the wrong pedal. All problems directly applicable to using the same foot to operate both pedals. Yet, despite the nearly universal assumption that using two feet is wrong, I'm not aware of a single study actually examining that question. So why the automatic assumption that it's wrong? Seems kinda circular to me.




Every car and driving expert will tell you that today's cars are designed to be driven with one foot. Why would you assume that driving it with two feet is 'right'?




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#67 Jul 31 2012 at 7:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I learned to drive on a 5 speed Z24. The difference in how you maneuver your feet between manual and automatic is clutch operation and nothing but. The idea that there is some kind of link between driving manual and using your left foot for the brake is ludicrous. It would take some serious muscle memory retraining to even make that work fluidly, you'd be moving your foot to the right which uses a different muscle group. For christ sakes, there's a **** platform designed to rest your left foot on in nearly every automatic vehicle built in the last 40 years specifically because you're not supposed to be using that foot during normal operation.
#68 Jul 31 2012 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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There are dozens of studies about the number of accidents caused by pressing the wrong pedal or having a foot slip onto the wrong pedal. All problems directly applicable to using the same foot to operate both pedals. Yet, despite the nearly universal assumption that using two feet is wrong, I'm not aware of a single study actually examining that question. So why the automatic assumption that it's wrong? Seems kinda circular to me.


If you can't remember which pedal to hit with your right foot, you're not going to remember which leg to slam down to hit the break. It's commonly an old people thing.
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#69 Jul 31 2012 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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I learned to drive on a 5 speed Z24. The difference in how you maneuver your feet between manual and automatic is clutch operation and nothing but. The idea that there is some kind of link between driving manual and using your left foot for the brake is ludicrous. It would take some serious muscle memory retraining to even make that work fluidly, you'd be moving your foot to the right which uses a different muscle group. For christ sakes, there's a **** platform designed to rest your left foot on in nearly every automatic vehicle built in the last 40 years specifically because you're not supposed to be using that foot during normal operation.

I learned to drive a manual tranny on a boyfriends 1966 Ford Econoline Van. It had the big-stick shifter that came up from the floor and was bitch to get into low gears.
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#70 Jul 31 2012 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why would you assume that driving it with two feet is 'right'?

Because he does it.

Did you really need to ask that question?
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#71 Jul 31 2012 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, the best part of this thread is discussing handling a manual tranny's stick. *snicker*
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#72 Jul 31 2012 at 8:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Only a tool like gbaji would find a way to prove he's wrong, then disagree with anyone who points it out. He probably uses two hands to jack off, as well.
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I've only driven automatic and that makes me sad. I understand how a manual works but I don't have any experience driving one.

Living in an area that is both flat and urban, there's zero reason around here to buy a manual except to save a few bucks.


You haven't experienced the pain of sitting in stop-and-go traffic for 3 hours until you've tried it with a manual transmission.
I miss the **** out of my manual transmission car, but not during rush hour. The first week or so I drove it to and from the city I didn't know what to do with all that free time.
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Facebook, of f course. Or was this before iPhones?
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I've only driven automatic and that makes me sad. I understand how a manual works but I don't have any experience driving one.

Living in an area that is both flat and urban, there's zero reason around here to buy a manual except to save a few bucks.


You haven't experienced the pain of sitting in stop-and-go traffic for 3 hours until you've tried it with a manual transmission.
I miss the @#%^ out of my manual transmission car, but not during rush hour. The first week or so I drove it to and from the city I didn't know what to do with all that free time.

Same. I loved driving a manual (had a Z28 and an old RX7) and LOVED driving them as manuals. Unless it was in traffic. Or when we used to cruise the mall. That sucked. I always felt like my left leg was getting a good workout.
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