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#1 Jul 25 2012 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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My god daughter just got her learners permit, and this subject came up and since I'm bored of random semantic arguments, I figured I'd toss out the question:

When driving an automatic transmission car, what foot do you use on which pedal(s)?
Right foot only for both accelerator and brake.:46 (92.0%)
Two pedals, two feet. Duh!:1 (2.0%)
Sometimes one foot, sometimes both:1 (2.0%)
I don't have feet! :(:2 (4.0%)
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Your left foot is for the clutch. If there's no clutch your left foot is for sitting comfortably.
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Automatic, always right foot only. Of course when I first started learning to drive my grandfather INSISTED that I use both feet, one on the brake and one on the accelerator. It was wrong, but he forced me and my aunt to when he was letting us practice driving.

If you use both feet, you'll be more likely to ride the brake. Causing wear on your pads and your brake lights to be on even when you aren't actively braking, annoying other drivers.
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Your left foot is for the clutch. If there's no clutch your left foot is for sitting comfortably.


Or for resting at a nearly impossible angle on the dashboard or driver-side window ledge. One of my co-workers drove like that, and I was sure it was only a matter of time until a pothole or speed bump broke his leg/hip.
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when you have large shoes. often times you inadvertantly end up using both pedals with one foot... at the same time...
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
when you have large shoes. often times you inadvertantly end up using both pedals with one foot... at the same time...


I only wear a size 12, and if I'm not careful the side of my shoe gets caught underneath the break pedal, or I hit both accidentally. It's worse in some cars than others. My mother has a Taurus, and I constantly clip the brake with my foot as I'm pressing the accelerator.

The brake and accelerator are just too close together on most vehicles to be operated by separate feet. It's designed for single foot operation.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
when you have large shoes. often times you inadvertantly end up using both pedals with one foot... at the same time...


I only wear a size 12, and if I'm not careful the side of my shoe gets caught underneath the break pedal, or I hit both accidentally. It's worse in some cars than others. My mother has a Taurus, and I constantly clip the brake with my foot as I'm pressing the accelerator.

The brake and accelerator are just too close together on most vehicles to be operated by separate feet. It's designed for single foot operation.


They didn't used to be so close together though. One could argue that if they put them farther apart, then they could more easily be operated with two feet *and* would reduce the risk of someone with big feet accidentally hitting both (or getting a foot stuck under the brake pedal). I have a theory that manufacturers have moved them closer together to make it easier for people to use one foot and lazily swivel it to use the pedals. Which I think is a bad idea, of course.
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Brake? Do you people not have car horns?


I bet Nobby's automobile does.
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I think that's how my aunt got a ticket for "obstruction of view" once.

Edit: After posting, I realize that it sounds a lot naughtier than it is.

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One could argue that if they put them farther apart, then they could more easily be operated with two feet *and* would reduce the risk of someone with big feet accidentally hitting both (or getting a foot stuck under the brake pedal). I have a theory that manufacturers have moved them closer together to make it easier for people to use one foot and lazily swivel it to use the pedals. Which I think is a bad idea, of course.

One could argue about anything. Smiley: nod

Today's auto-tranny cars are made for one-foot operation. I doubt if the design was to appease those lazy-footed liberals but more likely was spurred by simplicity, safety and performance.

I'm assuming your god-daughter is not getting her driving instruction from you?
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I assume it's just a carry over from manual transmissions where the left foot was busy with the clutch. Simply not using the left foot any longer is an easier transition than putting it on brake duty.
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gbaji wrote:
My god daughter just got her learners permit, and this subject came up and since I'm bored of random semantic arguments,

If only this were true!
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I assume it's just a carry over from manual transmissions where the left foot was busy with the clutch. Simply not using the left foot any longer is an easier transition than putting it on brake duty.


Anecdotally (Is that a word? Firefox says it isn't, but I'm not listening to it today, besides I probably just can't spell, and it sounds real.) that's what I did when I finally transitioned to an automatic. Now the left foot is for helping you shift your weight when your **** starts to go numb after 5 hours of driving. Smiley: nod

Also, I miss my old Jeep now... Smiley: cry




Edited, Jul 26th 2012 8:21am by someproteinguy
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Also, I miss my old Jeep now... Smiley: cry




Edited, Jul 26th 2012 8:21am by someproteinguy
I miss my little Mazda (zoom zoom zoom).

My Soul is the boringest car EVER.
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Raise your hand if you drive or have driven a manual then drove a friends automatic and brought it to a screeching halt out of muscle memory.
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Raise your hand if you drive or have driven a manual then drove a friends automatic and brought it to a screeching halt out of muscle memory.
No, but I do constantly reach for the stick shift that isn't there.
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Raise your hand if you drive or have driven a manual then drove a friends automatic and brought it to a screeching halt out of muscle memory.
No, but I do constantly reach for the stick shift that isn't there.

I freaked out in driver's Ed. The first time I had ever driven an automatic. I put it in "R" and the car started moving WTF! Smiley: confused
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Also, I miss my old Jeep now... Smiley: cry




Edited, Jul 26th 2012 8:21am by someproteinguy
I miss my little Mazda (zoom zoom zoom).

My Soul is the boringest car EVER.


I really miss my SVT Focus. I miss it so much I'm considering trading into one of the new Focus STs.

Edit: And Jim, I did that once with my sister's car when driving her home after she fractured her ankle. Needless to say she was NOT happy.

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And then when you're on a highway and turn on Cruise Control, the right foot gets to join the left foot in doing nothing.
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In an emergency situation your first instinct is to slam the brakes, but if you pay attention you'll notice you actually push with both feet (you might catch yourself but initially you flex both legs, just depends how panicked you are and what your reaction time is like). In two foot operation this is a problem since you could punch the gas and brake at the same time while trying to stop. So cars are designed for 1 foot operation of both gas and brake with the brake pedal being centered and larger than the gas pedal so it's easier to hit. That and carryover from manual operation.

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In an emergency situation your first instinct is to slam the brakes, but if you pay attention you'll notice you actually push with both feet (you might catch yourself but initially you flex both legs, just depends how panicked you are and what your reaction time is like).


I've heard many people say this, but I don't believe it's true. Do you push down with both feet whenever you are startled? So what you do with your feet when in an emergency whilst driving a car is learned behavior, not instinct.

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Extremely unlikely, given that the two foot driver's learned behavior is to push with his left foot while lifting with the right when attempting to slow down or stop. On the other hand, the right foot only driver's learned behavior is to push with the right foot to stop. So if his foot happens to be on the gas instead of the brake (for any of a number of reasons, not the least of which is panic reaction to a sudden event) he'll accelerate instead of stopping. We get dozens of fatalities a year from that. I'm not aware of any case of this sort of thing happening to someone practicing two foot driving. I'm not ruling out the possibility, but it just seems vastly more likely for someone who operates both pedals with the same foot to accidentally hit the wrong pedal, than for someone who operates them with different feet to one day out of the blue forget his right from his left. One of those is reinforced by learned behavior, the other requires acting contrary to it.

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/shrug. Most people I've heard from on the issue who drive with two feet started driving on a manual transmission (yes. Like me!) and naturally carried over the use of two feet to driving an automatic. For me, it just made a lot more sense to use that foot that was already used to pushing down on something when stopping to pushing on the brake, thus freeing up my right foot for accelerator-only duty. Far far less complicated IMO.
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And before someone says it: No. I have absolutely no problems switching back and forth between manual and automatic transmission cars.
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There is only one proper way to drive an automatic transmission and that is with your right foot. If you are using your left foot to do anything other than tap out the rythym to the song on the radio, then YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

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Ok, Elinda, I need to know why on earth you'd ever choose to drive a Soul-- which in my estimable and weighty opinion is a four wheeled abomination in design. Pray tell, some one gave you the car and you did not make payments on it.

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Well, I did warn her when she posted about thinking of purchasing it.
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Probably the hamsters. They're just so darned cute.
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Hamsters? I thought the jive dancing vermin were supposed to be street rats to build up barrio cred with umm, inner city ghetto youth or something. The whole break dancing rat advertising line never made sense to me.

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Most people I've heard from on the issue who drive with two feet started driving on a manual transmission (yes. Like me!) and naturally carried over the use of two feet to driving an automatic.


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I can't speak for the "most people"you know but 93% of the people you know here disagree. And I have a sneaking that you're half of the remaining six percent.


The 93% who don't meet the criteria I specified? Since you are correct that I'm the only person who said that he drives with two feet all the time, then based on the polling data, 100% of those who drive with two feet agree with me. Yay! Smiley: tongue
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Hamsters? I thought the jive dancing vermin were supposed to be street rats to build up barrio cred with umm, inner city ghetto youth or something. The whole break dancing rat advertising line never made sense to me.


It got people to think that a car that Elinda says is the most boring car she's ever driven (or anyone's ever driven I suppose) to think it's fun and interesting and exciting. So I'd argue that it was quite effective.
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It got people to think that a car that Elinda says is the most boring car she's ever driven (or anyone's ever driven I suppose) to think it's fun and interesting and exciting. So I'd argue that it was quite effective.


My ex-wife bought one when we were still together. They're not terrible cars, but they're also not much more than a Focus with a different (and less aerodynamic, I would wager) shape.

Oh, Elinda, do you have the speakers that glow and pulsate with the beat of the music? That's a kinda cool feature of the Soul.
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I note that you are no longer together. Perhaps it was due to irreconcilable differences in automobile taste? Quite understandable that, seeing as she succumbed to ads featuring gerbils break dancing...

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Is this gbaji just trolling us, trying to come up with MORE ways in which is he's quantifiably 100% wrong on an issue?

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Quite understandable that, seeing as she succumbed to ads featuring gerbils break dancing...

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No! It's not like that at all. I loved it til I drove it, then my husband loved it. He won out. But, it's all good - for now. It's a good car, and it's easier for folks to get and out of than the standard eco-car, more head room, more clearance. We had a mild winter but it did swell in the snow - something my Mazda didn't do. It just had it's first birthday - gets a lube and inspection tomorrow.

The pulsating lights are groovy. I have a glass peace sign hanging from the rear view. Smiley: grin

Edit - I'm not sure who's not together anymore cuz I didn't read all the posts so I just deleted that from the quote. It made perfect sense without it.

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Man, people have pretty whack approaches to car-buying.

Did you spring for the in house rustproofing?

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I've only driven automatic and that makes me sad. I understand how a manual works but I don't have any experience driving one. That being said, left foot should never be touching a pedal that isn't the clutch. Well.. that's not exactly true. With an FF you can use left foot braking to stabilize the car when cornering at high speeds, since you want to have your right foot keeping the accelerator down. But that's not exactly something you should be doing while driving normally.
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Man, people have pretty whack approaches to car-buying.

Did you spring for the in house rustproofing?

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 9:48pm by Timelordwho
No. Do they still do that?

I test drove it and thought it was kind of 'big' and not as responsive as my Mazda and a bit stodgy. My husband, who's a pretty big guy, really liked the car though.

I've been getting about 31-32mpgs pretty consistently, which is acceptable I guess.




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Man, people have pretty whack approaches to car-buying.

Did you spring for the in house rustproofing?

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 9:48pm by Timelordwho
No. Do they still do that?

I test drove it and thought it was kind of 'big' and not as responsive as my Mazda and a bit stodgy. My husband, who's a pretty big guy, really liked the car though.

I've been getting about 31-32mpgs pretty consistently, which is acceptable I guess.


He was referring to my wife and I no longer being together. She also purchased a Soul. I had nothing agianst the car. It drove decently, had a little gitupandgo, got good gas mileage, and was roomy enough to comfortably fit my overweight 6'4" frame. I just think she could have gotten just as good of a car, with better gas mileage, and for a lot less, by buying a Focus.
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Man, people have pretty whack approaches to car-buying.

Did you spring for the in house rustproofing?

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 9:48pm by Timelordwho
No. Do they still do that?

I test drove it and thought it was kind of 'big' and not as responsive as my Mazda and a bit stodgy. My husband, who's a pretty big guy, really liked the car though.

I've been getting about 31-32mpgs pretty consistently, which is acceptable I guess.


He was referring to my wife and I no longer being together. She also purchased a Soul. I had nothing agianst the car. It drove decently, had a little gitupandgo, got good gas mileage, and was roomy enough to comfortably fit my overweight 6'4" frame. I just think she could have gotten just as good of a car, with better gas mileage, and for a lot less, by buying a Focus.
When I was car shopping the focus was about 1.5k more than the Soul for the same basic package. Our other car is a 2008 Focus. My in-laws have trouble getting in and out of it, but man after 4 years we're still getting about 37-38mpg.
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Man, people have pretty whack approaches to car-buying.

Did you spring for the in house rustproofing?

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 9:48pm by Timelordwho
No. Do they still do that?

I test drove it and thought it was kind of 'big' and not as responsive as my Mazda and a bit stodgy. My husband, who's a pretty big guy, really liked the car though.

I've been getting about 31-32mpgs pretty consistently, which is acceptable I guess.


He was referring to my wife and I no longer being together. She also purchased a Soul. I had nothing agianst the car. It drove decently, had a little gitupandgo, got good gas mileage, and was roomy enough to comfortably fit my overweight 6'4" frame. I just think she could have gotten just as good of a car, with better gas mileage, and for a lot less, by buying a Focus.
When I was car shopping the focus was about 1.5k more than the Soul for the same basic package. Our other car is a 2008 Focus. My in-laws have trouble getting in and out of it, but man after 4 years we're still getting about 37-38mpg.


The company I work for has a deal with Ford where I get any car they sell for invoice plus incentives (rebate, special financing, whathaveyou), so the Focus would have been a lot cheaper. Also, this was before the new style of Focus came out, so the Foci were a lot cheaper. The Focus can be tought for flexibility challenged folk to get into and out of, but it doesn't lack on headroom.
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Living in an area that is both flat and urban, there's zero reason around here to buy a manual except to save a few bucks.
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I've only driven automatic and that makes me sad. I understand how a manual works but I don't have any experience driving one.

Living in an area that is both flat and urban, there's zero reason around here to buy a manual except to save a few bucks.


You haven't experienced the pain of sitting in stop-and-go traffic for 3 hours until you've tried it with a manual transmission.
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Is this gbaji just trolling us, trying to come up with MORE ways in which is he's quantifiably 100% wrong on an issue?


I suspect you don't actually know what the word "quantifiably" means.


And while I suppose you could call it trolling (but then, what isn't?). It was more a desire to put a topic for discussion that I knew people would have disagreements on, but that had nothing to do with politics, guns, etc.
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#48 Jul 27 2012 at 6:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I suspect you don't actually know what the word "quantifiably" means.

Literally.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#49 Jul 27 2012 at 7:03 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I suspect you don't actually know what the word "quantifiably" means.

Literally.


So he intentionally used an ironic meaning of the word which denotes the exact opposite of its real meaning in order to engage in hyperbole? I'll buy that.

Edited, Jul 27th 2012 6:03pm by gbaji
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#51 Jul 27 2012 at 8:47 PM Rating: Excellent
garbaji know *literally* 200x more about the English language than we do. Show some respect.
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