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Guess that explans why it seems like you're stuck in the 1800s.

With all the talk about Guns and what not. I am more curious as to know how much some of these kids medical bills will be. Yahoo wrote a story that said 2 million for one family. But they didn't actually back it up with anything so I am not going to quote it as truth.

Gbaji quick question, lets say I don't have insurance, because I can't afford it. What happens when a gunman shoots me and I wind up sitting in a coma in a hospital while my 21 year old girlfriend has my child in the same hospital. Is that my fault?

I am sure this will be all taken care of with the large amounts of public support already received to help these victims. I wonder if Mitt Romney plans to venture to Colorado and support these people Mr. Obama was already there. Maybe both of them wouldn't mind footing the hospital bills for some of these folks.

So Gbaji where do you draw the line on the responsibility of insurance. This guy is going to go sit in jail for life, having food and shelter paid for by the tax payer....oh and he is going to get proper health care paid for by the tax payer too.

Awesome system you guys got down there mate.

Insurance in America: Create a sensational story around yourself. Then the media takes care of you.

Well, that's where the term "long gun" is used. Not "long rifle".

True, but at the same time, I'm for repealing it if necessary to reduce the violence. As mentioned, what's the purpose of this amendment nowadays? People "forget" to take our laws into context. We use "tradition" to fight to maintain practices that we want and use "change or it's a new day" to make changes to practices that we don't want.

Except that "long gun" can mean rifled or smoothbore barrels. I used the term "long rifle" with the belief that this would clarify that I was speaking, not of muskets, but of long guns with rifled barrels. What's ironic here is that everyone I know who handles firearms would understand exactly what I was talking about and would have thought nothing of the term I choose to use. Yes. I could have said "rifled long gun", but most people get that "long rifle" means the same thing.

The reason I used the term is because several of the gun hobbyists that I've hung out with and learned to shoot from have drilled it into me to never use the term "rifle" by itself since it's unclear what you're actually talking about. It's funny because there appears to be a completely different vernacular between people who actually handle firearms regularly, go to gunshows, etc, and the common terms that apparently end out in online dictionaries. Or perhaps it's a regional thing. Dunno. The word "rifle" is so commonly misused and misunderstood that folks who actually deal with firearms regularly avoid using it without some additional clarification.


It's a stupid thing to zero in on though. Did anyone honestly not understand what I was saying? It just seems silly that some people are more interested in manufactured "gotcha" arguments than in actually discussing the topic at hand. The reality is that there's no significant difference between an AR-15 and any other of a whole list of "semi-automatic rifled long guns" (bit of a mouthful, but there you go). That's why the so-called assault weapon bans are pointless. It's why the Brady Bill was allowed to expire. But despite the utter ineffectiveness such laws might have, some people inevitably call for them anyway.

Not sure what the purpose of asking "is that my fault" is. But the answer to your question is that most states have some form of "victims of violent crimes" fund. When you are injured in a violent crime that is reported to police, all of your medical bills and costs are paid for from the fund. I know that California has this because I've used it. I'm sure most states do as well.

And in the case of high profile violence, there tends to be more funds raised to help the victims. Honestly, if you're going to get shot, make sure it's during a high profile spree shooting, cause that's where the money is apparently.



The issue has *nothing* to do with health insurance. Health care and health insurance are not synonymous terms.

Gbaji found the only gun enthusiasts around who use a definition not found on any of the hits for "long rifle".

I guess I can accept that Gbaji's friends make up words just like Gbaji does. Maybe they have their own secret language!

It's pretty much the end of civilization when you refuse to accept a pretty obvious meaning for a term because it's not on the first page of a google search result. How'd you manage to communicate prior to having google to tell you what words mean Joph?

Haha... I can't believe I almost missed that you've resorted to "a definition I can't back up and no one else uses? Why, it's just obvious!"

Edited, Jul 25th 2012 8:22pm by Jophiel

You mean my paper dictionary. The one that includes not only words but compound words, phrases... do you just not understand how dictionaries work?

Anyway, "Long Rifle: See Kentucky Rifle". That's because the good people at Websters know that "long rifle" is an actual term with a real meaning. Not the one Gbaji and his "gun enthusiast friends" made up and insist that it's... just.... OBVIOUS!!

I suppose if that's how you're going to try to save face after everyone's laughed at you for the last 24 hours, sure.