Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Colorado Shooting and...Follow

#102 Jul 24 2012 at 12:46 AM Rating: Good
I don't think anyone wants to repeal the 2nd amendment, just make it more difficult for aspiring mass murderers to kill lots of people in a short time frame. The higher the capacity of the clip/magazine combined with how close to automatic a semi-automatic weapon is, results in the ability to shoot more people in a shorter amount of time. There's no practical reason for wanting these things, outside of law enforcement & military, besides to kill lots of people - so why make it easy?

This is my issue with guns in general- we make it too easy to kill people with them.

I guess we should just be happy the 100 round mag jammed, limiting his ability to spray bullets & lowering the casualty count?

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 5:38am by Omegavegeta
____________________________
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin


#103 Jul 24 2012 at 5:47 AM Rating: Good
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,264 posts
Tradition is a stupid reason to keep doing something. Just saying.
____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#104 Jul 24 2012 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
I'm being amused by David Frum's Twitter feed as he goes back and forth with Media Research Center VP and Fox News columnist Dan Gainor on guns in America.

Money quote so far (which was actually a RT): If the govt was actually tyrannical, Obama would drone strike your house before you could even open your gun cabinet.

Also: @dangainor: I bet the people in Syria and Iran wish they had more gun rights
@DavidFrum: No, they wish they had tank, rocket & helicopter rights


Edited, Jul 24th 2012 10:30am by Jophiel
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#105 Jul 24 2012 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
******
43,873 posts
I wish I had tank rights.
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#106 Jul 24 2012 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Remember when the Libyan rebels were fighting the government and they were all like "Man, if only we had more pistols and shotguns (and maybe some long rifles!) we could totally take this thing"?
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#107 Jul 24 2012 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
David Frum wrote:
If the govt was actually tyrannical, Obama would drone strike your house before you could even open your gun cabinet.


It's funny, & quite scary, 'cause its true. Just don't let the drones become self aware or we're all screwed.
____________________________
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin


#108 Jul 24 2012 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
Gurue
*****
16,288 posts
lolgaxe wrote:
I wish I had tank rights.

My husband's nickname is Tank, does that count?
#109 Jul 24 2012 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Do you ride hi--- you know what? Don't answer that.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#110 Jul 24 2012 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
*****
11,989 posts

If you give people tank rights, they'll just want Davvy Crockett rifle rights.
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#111 Jul 24 2012 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
11,856 posts
We should just adopt stricter gun laws. You know maybe model them after some European country with low levels of gun violence, like Norway or something.

Failing that let's just ban crazy people.

Smiley: clown
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#112 Jul 24 2012 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
******
21,717 posts
Omegavegeta wrote:
David Frum wrote:
If the govt was actually tyrannical, Obama would drone strike your house before you could even open your gun cabinet.


It's funny, & quite scary, 'cause its true. Just don't let the drones become self aware or we're all screwed.


http://science.discovery.com/videos/stephen-hawkings-sci-fi-masters-watching-the-watchbirds.html
____________________________
R.I.P. Jessica M. 5/3/2010
This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.
gbaji wrote:
You guys keep tossing facts out there like they mean something.


#113 Jul 24 2012 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
someproteinguy wrote:
Failing that let's just ban crazy people.

Or ship them all to Norway.

Morning lulz at Bill O'Reilly who was on my radio preaching about gun violence and politics and how Chicago has had a record year for gun deaths despite handguns being banned there.

Oh, wait.

Good thing all those people have the potential to be armed now. That'll certainly curb any violence.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#114 Jul 24 2012 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Debalic wrote:
A "long rifle" is generally used to refer to the old-fashioned rifles of the 18th century or so.


In common modern usage. Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands. Today, outside of collectors of antiques, we don't use smoothbore barrels for small arms except for shotguns. So instead of talking about rifled handguns and rifled long guns versus smoothbore handguns and smoothbore long guns, we just say handguns (all are rifled), shotguns (smoothbore), and rifles. But that's just a shortening and simplification of the terms.

Quote:
A "long gun" is a two-handed firearm as opposed to a pistol or sidearm. In this context a semi-auto Armalite is still going to do a whole lot more than a musket.


Yes. And within the context of small arms (we're not talking about artillery here, right?), a long rifle is a rifled long gun. All small arms, fired from the shoulder (with a stock basically) that are rifled fit within the same category I was referring to. Whatever terminology you want to use, an AR-15 within the context in question fits that criteria. You get that "rifle" refers to the rifling in the barrel, and not the length of the barrel, right? Any semi automatic rifle can be used in the same fashion the AR-15 was used in this case. I only added the word "long" in front of it to ensure no one came in trying to talk about handguns or something. If that word confuses you, then by all means ignore it and pretend I used the more common term "rifle".


Semantics aside, I think it's somewhat absurd to try to chase the tail of the last massacre with poorly thought out gun control laws. James Huberty killed 23 people in a McDonalds with an UZI (semi-automatic), a shotgun, and a pistol. Did the fact that his semi-automatic weapon (oddly, somewhere between a pistol and "rifle" depending on the stock) was shorter and looked less like an M-16 have any effect? Nope. Did the absence of a 100 round drum for the UZI limit his ability to kill lots of people? Not at all.


Seung-*** Cho killed 32 people at Virginia Tech. He used 2 semi automatic pistols. Neither of which had super high capacity magazines (10-15 rounds each), yet he had no problem changing out magazines and continuing his spree. Does the fact that he didn't use a weapon that looked at all like what we'd call an "assault rifle" (and certainly nothing close to a fully automatic weapon) limit his ability to kill lots of people? Nope.


This idea that somehow the type of weapon, or how it looks, or how many rounds a magazine can hold really has anything at all to do with these sorts of events is pretty clearly wrong. Yet, nearly every time a shooting like this occurs, people keep trying to argue for some new law based on those things anyway. When will we learn that this isn't really the problem?
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#115 Jul 24 2012 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
gbaji wrote:
In common modern usage. Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands.

No, that's a long gun. Links already provided, Professor Smiley: laugh
Quote:
When will we learn that this isn't really the problem?

No argument that we should look at these as "gun deaths" and not simply "assault rifle deaths" and base our laws off that.

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 4:51pm by Jophiel
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#116 Jul 24 2012 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
In common modern usage. Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands.

No, that's a long gun. Links already provided, Professor Smiley: laugh


No. A long gun (within the context of small arms of course), includes both rifled and smoothbore weapons (commonly referred to as "rifles" and "shotguns"). While all long rifles are long guns, not all long guns are long rifles. Get it? My term is more specific. By saying "long rifle", instead of "long gun", I'm excluding shotguns and smoothbore muskets. Which is why I used the term. And yes, I'm aware that if I wanted to be completely specific, I could have said "rifled long gun" (or even "rifled small arm long gun" to be *really* specific), but I honestly didn't think someone would be so semantically ****-twisted as to not understand the somewhat simple point I was making.

Quote:
Quote:
When will we learn that this isn't really the problem?

No argument that we should look at these as "gun deaths" and not simply "assault rifle deaths" and base our laws off that.


Exactly. Most folks aren't willing to go there though. They find comfort in the false belief that there's some set of firearms that are currently legal, but which could be banned that would prevent these sorts of shootings while preserving the 2nd amendment.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#117 Jul 24 2012 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
gbaji wrote:
No.

Yes. I know you think if you just keep talking eventually you won't look as dumb but I've already provided links to the definitions of the words.

Quote:
Exactly. Most folks aren't willing to go there though.

Pity, too. Meanwhile, as I said, we just accept these things as the cost of doing business. Beats making any tough decisions, I suppose.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#118 Jul 24 2012 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Woman uses her 2nd amendment rights to battle tyranny in her own back yard!
KHOU.com wrote:
HOUSTON – Thelma Taormina didn’t want a new electric meter, and she went to great lengths to keep her old one.

When a worker showed up at her northwest Harris County home to install a smart meter, she grabbed her gun.

"He just kept pushing me away," the 55-year-old Taormina, who is licensed to carry a weapon, said. "He saw it, and went back the other way."

CenterPoint Energy has nearly completed installing more than 2 million smart meters in the Harris County area.

But Taormina says she shouldn’t be forced to get one.

The smart meters digitally count kilowatts and wirelessly transmit information.

"Our constitution allows us not to have that kind of intrusion on our personal privacy," she said. "They’ll be able to tell if you are running your computer, air conditioner, whatever it is."

Oh beautiful, for spacious skies
For amber waves of grain...
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#119 Jul 24 2012 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
In common modern usage. Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands.

No, that's a long gun. Links already provided, Professor Smiley: laugh


Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
No.

Yes. I know you think if you just keep talking eventually you won't look as dumb but I've already provided links to the definitions of the words.


Um... Seriously? A long gun is not a rifle. The definition of long gun (small arms) includes both rifled and smoothbore barrels. You're just plain wrong. Perhaps you should read the links instead of just assuming they say what you incorrectly believe?

Quote:
Quote:
Exactly. Most folks aren't willing to go there though.

Pity, too. Meanwhile, as I said, we just accept these things as the cost of doing business. Beats making any tough decisions, I suppose.


As I said. By all means, write your representatives and demand that they get right on repealing the 2nd amendment. I'd *love* for the Dems to openly take that position. You know darn well that even if some of them share your position on this, that they're too afraid to be honest and open about it because they know they'll lose badly if they included that on their platform. Hmm... Kinda like most of the positions the left holds.

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 4:47pm by gbaji
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#120 Jul 24 2012 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
gbaji wrote:
Um... Seriously? A long gun is not a rifle. The definition of long gun (small arms) includes both rifled and smoothbore barrels. You're just plain wrong. Perhaps you should read the links instead of just assuming they say what you incorrectly believe?

All long rifles are long guns. Not all long guns are long rifles. No AR-15s are long rifles since that's a term used for an antiquated firearm dating back to the 1700s.

By all means, keep going on. Smiley: laugh

Quote:
As I said. By all means, write your representatives and demand that they get right on repealing the 2nd amendment

I know you said it. I also responded to it.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#121 Jul 24 2012 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Um... Seriously? A long gun is not a rifle. The definition of long gun (small arms) includes both rifled and smoothbore barrels. You're just plain wrong. Perhaps you should read the links instead of just assuming they say what you incorrectly believe?

All long rifles are long guns. Not all long guns are long rifles.


I feel like I'm in a Bugs Bunny cartoon now. I know this. You apparently do not:

Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands.

No, that's a long gun. Links already provided, Professor Smiley: laugh


A "long gun" is not a firearm with a rifled barrel. It's a firearm, fired from the shoulder, which may have either a smoothbore *or* rifled barrel.


What's amazing is that I already explained this:

me earlier wrote:
No. A long gun (within the context of small arms of course), includes both rifled and smoothbore weapons (commonly referred to as "rifles" and "shotguns"). While all long rifles are long guns, not all long guns are long rifles. Get it? My term is more specific. By saying "long rifle", instead of "long gun", I'm excluding shotguns and smoothbore muskets. Which is why I used the term.


WTF? Why not just admit you made a stupid mistake and move on?



Way to zero in on one use of the term Joph. Yes. In some historical circles, people use the term "long rifle" to refer specifically to the Kentucky Rifle (or similar historical rifles). Which is amusing given that in some cases those "rifles" aren't actually rifled. But in general small firearm parlance, a long rifle is any long gun with a rifled barrel. You're getting way too caught up on semantics. I'll point out again, that if my use of the term "long rifle" confused you, just replace it with the more common term "rifle". Either way, my point is completely valid.


Why do you do this sort of semantic BS so often? It's kinda strange. Doubly so when it's clear that your only understanding of this appears to come from google results. You earlier attempted to equate my statement with saying that an AR-15 was the same as a musket, proving you really don't understand that the word "rifle" refers to the rifled barrel, and not the length of the barrel. Don't worry though, it's a common mistake people make. I was trying to be as accurate as possible, given that we were talking about specific types of firearms and their operating characteristics. If that confuses you, maybe you should go hang out with people who actually own and use firearms for a while and learn something about the subject instead of spewing google results.

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 5:46pm by gbaji
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#122 Jul 24 2012 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
It's funny because you'd rather write paragraph after paragraph than admit you made a mistake and then try to blame me for pointing it out Smiley: laugh

Quote:
You earlier attempted to equate my statement with saying that an AR-15 was the same as a musket

No, I was equating it to a long rifle. Not a musket. I never said musket. Because I do understand what a "rifle" is which is why I don't have to write paragraph after paragraph defending my mistakes rather than just admit to them.

Or maybe you were unaware that rifles were also used in the Revolutionary War and so just assumed I must have meant musket because it was the only gun you could think of. I'd give it equal odds.

Quote:
Why do you do this sort of semantic BS so often?

Because I find it funny to watch you so desperately try to spin and save face rather than admit to an error. I'll happily admit it's not important, but it's fun to watch you act as though your life depends on impressing us with your gun knowledge and you can't possibly shatter our awe by saying "Oops".

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 7:58pm by Jophiel
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#123 Jul 24 2012 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Jophiel wrote:
It's funny because you'd rather write paragraph after paragraph than admit you made a mistake and then try to blame me for pointing it out.


If by mistake, you mean being overly specific with the terminology so as to ensure that no one was confused about what I was talking about, only to find that some people find a way to be confused anyway. Sure. I made a mistake. I should have just used the more common term "rifle". Of course, then you'd have insisted that I was speaking of something that somehow excludes AR-15s because in your mind a rifle is something used for hunting. Or it's bolt action. Or some other idiotic nonsense that people who know nothing about guns come up with.

There's no way to not make a mistake with you Joph, because no matter what term I use, you'll find some way to interpret it in the most moronic and out of context way. Honestly. What did you think I meant when I used the term "long rifle"? Did you really think I meant the historical rifle? Cause that would be pretty dumb. Most intelligent people, who know anything at all about firearms, would assume I was speaking of long guns with rifled barrels. Because that's how the term is used *unless* you're talking about historical pieces.

Quote:
Quote:
You earlier attempted to equate my statement with saying that an AR-15 was the same as a musket

No, I was equating it to a long rifle. Not a musket. I never said musket.


You're right. It was Debalic who made the musket reference. You just jumped in and continued the idiocy after I clarified my statement.

Quote:
Because I do understand what a "rifle" is which is why I don't have to write paragraph after paragraph defending my mistakes rather than just admit to them.


And yet, you seem unable to comprehend that when I say "long rifle", I'm referring to a subset of "long gun", and not the whole set called "long gun". Until I pointed out that long guns include both rifled and smoothbore barrels, you seemed to not know the difference. Then, after I pointed it out, you pretended you knew all along, even repeating the very same statement I'd made earlier when attempting to explain this to you..



Again. If the term confuses you, replace it with the more common term "rifle". I personally find that term non-specific (and too easy for people to misunderstand, since the term is also commonly misused), which I why I avoid it. But if it makes you more comfortable, by all means pretend I didn't use the word "long" in front of it. WTF? Talk about finding the most stupid thing to argue about.

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 6:11pm by gbaji
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#124 Jul 24 2012 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Quote:
Again. If the term confuses you...

I laugh at the continued irony.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#125 Jul 24 2012 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Quote:
Again. If the term confuses you...

I laugh at the continued irony.


And yet, you clearly were confused. By a term that if I'd used in any gunshop or any shooting range in the US would have been instantly understood given the context. If someone uses the term "long rifle" and is clearly not speaking of an historical piece, he must be speaking of a long gun with a rifled barrel. It's really not that complicated. I guess you can laugh about it if you want, but it's your ignorance of the subject that's at issue here.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#126 Jul 24 2012 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Quote:
I guess you can laugh about it if you want

Thanks. Given that I've shown multiple places agreeing with me and you've just insisted that everyone knows you're right, I think I'll do exactly that Smiley: laugh
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#127 Jul 24 2012 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
*****
11,989 posts
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Quote:
Again. If the term confuses you...

I laugh at the continued irony.


And yet, you clearly were confused. By a term that if I'd used in any gunshop or any shooting range in the US would have been instantly understood given the context. If someone uses the term "long rifle" and is clearly not speaking of an historical piece, he must be speaking of a long gun with a rifled barrel. It's really not that complicated. I guess you can laugh about it if you want, but it's your ignorance of the subject that's at issue here.


Whether or not you choose to accept it, words have meaning. You can disagree with what you think classifies as different classes of things but redefining classes ad-hoc while keeping only tenuous internal consistency, and then arguing that your definitions are 'obviously correct' just makes you look uninformed or senile. It's quite tiring to try to keep up with your dictionary, which differs significantly from Webster's, and differs for no intelligible reason, other than that you want to use whatever words you said first in a conversation rather than bow to convention. If you choose to do so, I never, ever want to see you cry about semantics again, even if you are in the right.

Thanks for reading!

Nexa

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 11:32pm by Timelordwho
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#128 Jul 25 2012 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
******
43,873 posts
gbaji wrote:
In common modern usage.
Guess that explans why it seems like you're stuck in the 1800s.
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#129 Jul 25 2012 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
****
6,470 posts
gbaji wrote:
Debalic wrote:
A "long rifle" is generally used to refer to the old-fashioned rifles of the 18th century or so.


In common modern usage. Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands.


No, that's just a "rifle".
____________________________
Latest Articles:
Monaco: What's Yours is Mine Review

Follow me on Twitter!
#130 Jul 25 2012 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
7,468 posts
With all the talk about Guns and what not. I am more curious as to know how much some of these kids medical bills will be. Yahoo wrote a story that said 2 million for one family. But they didn't actually back it up with anything so I am not going to quote it as truth.

Gbaji quick question, lets say I don't have insurance, because I can't afford it. What happens when a gunman shoots me and I wind up sitting in a coma in a hospital while my 21 year old girlfriend has my child in the same hospital. Is that my fault?

I am sure this will be all taken care of with the large amounts of public support already received to help these victims. I wonder if Mitt Romney plans to venture to Colorado and support these people Mr. Obama was already there. Maybe both of them wouldn't mind footing the hospital bills for some of these folks.

So Gbaji where do you draw the line on the responsibility of insurance. This guy is going to go sit in jail for life, having food and shelter paid for by the tax payer....oh and he is going to get proper health care paid for by the tax payer too.

Awesome system you guys got down there mate.
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#131 Jul 25 2012 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
****
6,470 posts
rdmcandie wrote:
With all the talk about Guns and what not. I am more curious as to know how much some of these kids medical bills will be. Yahoo wrote a story that said 2 million for one family. But they didn't actually back it up with anything so I am not going to quote it as truth.

Gbaji quick question, lets say I don't have insurance, because I can't afford it. What happens when a gunman shoots me and I wind up sitting in a coma in a hospital while my 21 year old girlfriend has my child in the same hospital.


This happens.
____________________________
Latest Articles:
Monaco: What's Yours is Mine Review

Follow me on Twitter!
#132 Jul 25 2012 at 8:39 AM Rating: Default
Sage
****
4,041 posts
Insurance in America: Create a sensational story around yourself. Then the media takes care of you.
#133 Jul 25 2012 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
Prodigal Son
*****
19,978 posts
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Quote:
You earlier attempted to equate my statement with saying that an AR-15 was the same as a musket

No, I was equating it to a long rifle. Not a musket. I never said musket.


You're right. It was Debalic who made the musket reference. You just jumped in and continued the idiocy after I clarified my statement.

Clarified your statement? You tried to qualify it with terminology that nobody else uses. You fucked up and used the wrong terms for something you don't know about. There's no shame in admitting it; there's plenty of shame in trying to twist and backpedal it into something else.

You really need to learn the phrase "Whoops, you're right, let me fix that".
____________________________
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#134 Jul 25 2012 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
Prodigal Son
*****
19,978 posts
Eske Esquire wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Debalic wrote:
A "long rifle" is generally used to refer to the old-fashioned rifles of the 18th century or so.


In common modern usage. Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands.


No, that's just a "rifle".

Well, that's where the term "long gun" is used. Not "long rifle".
____________________________
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#135 Jul 25 2012 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
****
6,470 posts
Debalic wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Debalic wrote:
A "long rifle" is generally used to refer to the old-fashioned rifles of the 18th century or so.


In common modern usage. Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands.


No, that's just a "rifle".

Well, that's where the term "long gun" is used. Not "long rifle".


Sure. Point being, gbaji is making completely incorrect statements with unwarranted confidence once again.
____________________________
Latest Articles:
Monaco: What's Yours is Mine Review

Follow me on Twitter!
#136 Jul 25 2012 at 5:39 PM Rating: Default
Avatar
****
9,015 posts
Omegavegeta wrote:
I don't think anyone wants to repeal the 2nd amendment, just make it more difficult for aspiring mass murderers to kill lots of people in a short time frame. The higher the capacity of the clip/magazine combined with how close to automatic a semi-automatic weapon is, results in the ability to shoot more people in a shorter amount of time. There's no practical reason for wanting these things, outside of law enforcement & military, besides to kill lots of people - so why make it easy?

This is my issue with guns in general- we make it too easy to kill people with them.

I guess we should just be happy the 100 round mag jammed, limiting his ability to spray bullets & lowering the casualty count?

Edited, Jul 24th 2012 5:38am by Omegavegeta


True, but at the same time, I'm for repealing it if necessary to reduce the violence. As mentioned, what's the purpose of this amendment nowadays? People "forget" to take our laws into context. We use "tradition" to fight to maintain practices that we want and use "change or it's a new day" to make changes to practices that we don't want.
____________________________
Demea wrote:
Almalieque wrote:

I'm biased against statistics
#137 Jul 25 2012 at 5:49 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Almalieque wrote:
As mentioned, what's the purpose of this amendment nowadays?

To keep utility workers from trespassing on your constitutional right to have any electric meter you want.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#138 Jul 25 2012 at 6:30 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Debalic wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Debalic wrote:
A "long rifle" is generally used to refer to the old-fashioned rifles of the 18th century or so.


In common modern usage. Within the context of small arms, a long rifle is a firearm with a rifled barrel which is fired from the shoulder rather than held in the hands.


No, that's just a "rifle".

Well, that's where the term "long gun" is used. Not "long rifle".


Except that "long gun" can mean rifled or smoothbore barrels. I used the term "long rifle" with the belief that this would clarify that I was speaking, not of muskets, but of long guns with rifled barrels. What's ironic here is that everyone I know who handles firearms would understand exactly what I was talking about and would have thought nothing of the term I choose to use. Yes. I could have said "rifled long gun", but most people get that "long rifle" means the same thing.

The reason I used the term is because several of the gun hobbyists that I've hung out with and learned to shoot from have drilled it into me to never use the term "rifle" by itself since it's unclear what you're actually talking about. It's funny because there appears to be a completely different vernacular between people who actually handle firearms regularly, go to gunshows, etc, and the common terms that apparently end out in online dictionaries. Or perhaps it's a regional thing. Dunno. The word "rifle" is so commonly misused and misunderstood that folks who actually deal with firearms regularly avoid using it without some additional clarification.


It's a stupid thing to zero in on though. Did anyone honestly not understand what I was saying? It just seems silly that some people are more interested in manufactured "gotcha" arguments than in actually discussing the topic at hand. The reality is that there's no significant difference between an AR-15 and any other of a whole list of "semi-automatic rifled long guns" (bit of a mouthful, but there you go). That's why the so-called assault weapon bans are pointless. It's why the Brady Bill was allowed to expire. But despite the utter ineffectiveness such laws might have, some people inevitably call for them anyway.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#139 Jul 25 2012 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
******
21,717 posts
gbaji wrote:
The reason I used the term is because several of the gun hobbyists that I've hung out with and learned to shoot from have drilled it into me to never use the term "rifle" by itself since it's unclear what you're actually talking about.


You're so full of sh*t, it's no wonder you're spewing it at the mouth. Gun enthusiasts will commonly use three terms: pistol (interchangable with handgun), shotgun, and rifle. All three are unambiguous and need no further clarification. You misused a term trying to sound intellegent, as usual, and again, as usual, got called on it. Suck it up and quit being such a @#%^ing dunce.


Edited, Jul 25th 2012 7:34pm by BrownDuck
____________________________
R.I.P. Jessica M. 5/3/2010
This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.
gbaji wrote:
You guys keep tossing facts out there like they mean something.


#140 Jul 25 2012 at 6:35 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
rdmcandie wrote:
Gbaji quick question, lets say I don't have insurance, because I can't afford it. What happens when a gunman shoots me and I wind up sitting in a coma in a hospital while my 21 year old girlfriend has my child in the same hospital. Is that my fault?


Not sure what the purpose of asking "is that my fault" is. But the answer to your question is that most states have some form of "victims of violent crimes" fund. When you are injured in a violent crime that is reported to police, all of your medical bills and costs are paid for from the fund. I know that California has this because I've used it. I'm sure most states do as well.

And in the case of high profile violence, there tends to be more funds raised to help the victims. Honestly, if you're going to get shot, make sure it's during a high profile spree shooting, cause that's where the money is apparently.

Quote:
So Gbaji where do you draw the line on the responsibility of insurance. This guy is going to go sit in jail for life, having food and shelter paid for by the tax payer....oh and he is going to get proper health care paid for by the tax payer too.


The issue has *nothing* to do with health insurance. Health care and health insurance are not synonymous terms.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#141 Jul 25 2012 at 6:41 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
BrownDuck wrote:
gbaji wrote:
The reason I used the term is because several of the gun hobbyists that I've hung out with and learned to shoot from have drilled it into me to never use the term "rifle" by itself since it's unclear what you're actually talking about.


You're so full of sh*t, it's no wonder you're spewing it at the mouth. Gun enthusiasts will commonly use three terms: pistol (interchangable with handgun), shotgun, and rifle. All three are unambiguous and need no further clarification. You misused a term trying to sound intellegent, as usual, and again, as usual, got called on it. Suck it up and quit being such a @#%^ing dunce.


You apparently hang out with different gun enthusiasts than I do. I'll ask again: Was this really about someone being confused about what sorts of weapons I was referring to? Or was this just about taking the opportunity to jump on a term I used that isn't in the common vernacular? I'm going with the latter. Seriously. I responded to Joph's argument that we should ban the weapons used in the attack, and listed "long rifles", "shotguns", and "handguns". Even if you were mildly confused by the term, context should have made it obvious what I was referring to given the three types of weapons used in the attack. Choosing to deliberately ignore that context and the obvious intended meaning of the term, finding a definition for it that means something completely different, and then jumping on that as though that must be what I meant all along is pretty darn silly.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#142 Jul 25 2012 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Gbaji found the only gun enthusiasts around who use a definition not found on any of the hits for "long rifle".

I guess I can accept that Gbaji's friends make up words just like Gbaji does. Maybe they have their own secret language!
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#143 Jul 25 2012 at 6:54 PM Rating: Excellent
Will swallow your soul
******
28,250 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Gbaji found the only gun enthusiasts around who use a definition not found on any of the hits for "long rifle".

I guess I can accept that Gbaji's friends make up words just like Gbaji does. Maybe they have their own secret language!



They're speaking in guns.

____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

#144 Jul 25 2012 at 7:02 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Gbaji found the only gun enthusiasts around who use a definition not found on any of the hits for "long rifle".


It's pretty much the end of civilization when you refuse to accept a pretty obvious meaning for a term because it's not on the first page of a google search result. How'd you manage to communicate prior to having google to tell you what words mean Joph?
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#145 Jul 25 2012 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Who said first page?

Now before Google if I needed a word definition I would often use the dictionary. Guess what it says for "long rifle".
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#146 Jul 25 2012 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Haha... I can't believe I almost missed that you've resorted to "a definition I can't back up and no one else uses? Why, it's just obvious!"

Edited, Jul 25th 2012 8:22pm by Jophiel
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#147 Jul 25 2012 at 7:33 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Who said first page?

Now before Google if I needed a word definition I would often use the dictionary. Guess what it says for "long rifle".


Did you need a definition? It's a phrase, not a word. Does the fact that the phrase "red house paint" isn't in an online dictionary mean you don't know what someone's talking about when they say it?
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#148 Jul 25 2012 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
You mean my paper dictionary. The one that includes not only words but compound words, phrases... do you just not understand how dictionaries work? Smiley: dubious

Anyway, "Long Rifle: See Kentucky Rifle". That's because the good people at Websters know that "long rifle" is an actual term with a real meaning. Not the one Gbaji and his "gun enthusiast friends" made up and insist that it's... just.... OBVIOUS!! Smiley: laugh
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#149 Jul 25 2012 at 9:03 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
31,731 posts
Now I'm just amusing myself (while waiting for a long compile to complete) by seeing just how long you'll continue to argue essentially that a descriptive phrase can't possibly ever be used in a manner different than one named in an dictionary. So I suppose if someone told you that "my girlfriend rode my laptop all night long, if you know what I mean! <wink>", you'd be confused because the dictionary defines a laptop as a "portable microcomputer" and it makes no sense to ride one.

You're a funny guy Joph.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#150 Jul 25 2012 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
gbaji wrote:
Now I'm just amusing myself

I suppose if that's how you're going to try to save face after everyone's laughed at you for the last 24 hours, sure.



____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#151 Jul 25 2012 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
Gbaji wrote:
Now I'm just amusing myself (while waiting for a long compile to complete) by seeing just how long you'll continue to argue essentially that a descriptive phrase can't possibly ever be used in a manner different than one named in an dictionary. So I suppose if someone told you that "my girlfriend rode my laptop all night long, if you know what I mean! <wink>", you'd be confused because the dictionary defines a laptop as a "portable microcomputer" and it makes no sense to ride one.


I don't understand; you have a girlfriend?

/ba dum, bum
____________________________
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin


Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 39 All times are in CDT
Debalic, Jophiel, Szabo, Xsarus, Anonymous Guests (35)