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#1 Jul 12 2012 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I've tried not to flood this forum with the ridiculous put forth by my state's governor but I'd like affirmation on something.

Last Saturday during his weekly radio address Gov. Lepage called the IRS the new Gestapo. This was not an off-the-cuff remark. Admittedly he had intentionally added to the script and choose not to pull it out despite pleas from his PR Manager. The remark made national news (personally I think that was his plan all along). Locally he backed off a with a statement about his remark being misconstrued, etc, etc, but didn't go as far as tp apologize to any of the various groups demanding it.

Next Lepage receives this letter from the President of the Tax-collectors union (I thought it was a pretty good letter). The next bit is where I'm think Lepage has hung himself, but who knows. We did elect him once. (Smiley: oyvey). Today, while campaigning in Vermont for some other republican, a local Vermont reporter interviews him....

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"What I am trying to say is the Holocaust was a horrific crime against humanity and, frankly, I would never want to see that repeated," LePage said. "Maybe the IRS is not quite as bad — yet."

Seven Days reporter Paul Heintz asked, "But they're headed in that direction?"

LePage responded, "They're headed in that direction."

Heintz then asked LePage if he knew what the Gestapo did during World War II. LePage said, "Yeah, they killed a lot of people." Heintz asked if he thought the IRS was going to kill a lot of people.

"Yeah," LePage said.

"They're headed in the direction of killing a lot of people? Are you serious?" Heintz asked.

LePage said he was "very serious," adding that the agency would be rationing health care.

"They ration health care in Canada," LePage said. "That's why they a lot of people come down to the U.S."
I don't know if this craziness was prompted by the letter from the IRS Union lady, if he's simply trying to keep his name out in the national media, if he really believes the IRS is going to start killing people off (...and I bet they'll start with them french-canadians!), or he's intentionally committing political suicide?

Anyways, I think he's going to be a one-term governor.......

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Here's the full article about the interview in Vermont. Apparently the reporter was asking bad questions. Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 9:11pm by Elinda
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#2 Jul 12 2012 at 1:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Of all the abbreviations and acronyms, I don't think the IRS really ranks that high on my list of people to be afraid of coming to kill me in my sleep. Maybe as the people operating the gas chambers.

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 3:08pm by lolgaxe
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Ok.. so how did someone this retarded get elected as governor?
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Ok.. so how did someone this retarded get elected as governor?


Is it really that unusual?
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#6 Jul 12 2012 at 4:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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"They ration health care in Canada," LePage said. "That's why they a lot of people come down to the U.S."


I was actually kind of on board until this line.

Canada doesn't ration health care, we lack hospitals and doctors. Largely because the Doctors go open practices in the US, because they can make more money.

But I do agree that the IRS does have some resemblances to the Gestapo. Heck they are even allowed to carry guns for those really nasty tax evaders.

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9.1.4.6 (05-30-2008)
Directive No. 4 - Firearms

The nature of CI's activities requires the ability to respond in a safe and timely manner 24 hours a day. Special agents are not expected to be armed at all times, but must have access to their assigned firearm when required to perform official duties.

Special agents are authorized, but are not required, to carry their IRS-issued weapon when off-duty. When carrying their IRS-issued weapon off-duty, special agents are subject to all IRM provisions concerning firearms.

Criminal Investigation will provide each special agent with a firearms safe in the office and a safety container for home storage.

The Chief, CI, will ensure that each special agent has met the requirements to carry firearms. Futhermore, the Director, Field Operations and each SAC will ensure that each special agent in his/her office has met the requirements to carry firearms.

The SAC may authorize special agents to carry IRS-owned weapons other than the agents' assigned firearm (for example, shotguns). The SAC will notify the Director, Field Operations of such authorization within 24 hours.

Special agents who carry a privately-owned weapon during off-duty hours are subject to the same civil and criminal restrictions as a private citizen. Special agents may not use their position or credentials to qualify under state or local laws to purchase, license, carry, or use private weapons; however upon request, credentials may be displayed as occupational identification, but not to influence the decision.


http://www.irs.gov/irm/part9/irm_09-001-004.html#d0e199

In a way they can detain anyone they want, call the crime tax evasion, fudge some numbers, and control dissent in the populous.

The seeds of Fascism are sewn one seed a time.

In my own country, we have submitted to our supreme American overlords. Your Law enforcement can now make Arrests on my nations soil.

Awesome.
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#7 Jul 12 2012 at 5:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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In a way they can detain anyone they want, call the crime tax evasion, fudge some numbers, and control dissent in the populous.


Yeah, it's crazy how anyone with power can abuse it when they do things illegally Smiley: dubious

You realize that this is like saying that the police "can detain anyone they want, call the crime anything, fudge some evidence, and control dissent in the populous," right?*

*Edit: Which I suppose makes your point if you hate the police and think they're entirely corrupt. Didn't think of that until after I posted.

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 7:15pm by LockeColeMA
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#8 Jul 12 2012 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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"They ration health care in Canada," LePage said. "That's why they a lot of people come down to the U.S."


I was actually kind of on board until this line.

Canada doesn't ration health care, we lack hospitals and doctors. Largely because the Doctors go open practices in the US, because they can make more money.

But I do agree that the IRS does have some resemblances to the Gestapo. Heck they are even allowed to carry guns for those really nasty tax evaders.

Quote:
9.1.4.6 (05-30-2008)
Directive No. 4 - Firearms

The nature of CI's activities requires the ability to respond in a safe and timely manner 24 hours a day. Special agents are not expected to be armed at all times, but must have access to their assigned firearm when required to perform official duties.

Special agents are authorized, but are not required, to carry their IRS-issued weapon when off-duty. When carrying their IRS-issued weapon off-duty, special agents are subject to all IRM provisions concerning firearms.

Criminal Investigation will provide each special agent with a firearms safe in the office and a safety container for home storage.

The Chief, CI, will ensure that each special agent has met the requirements to carry firearms. Futhermore, the Director, Field Operations and each SAC will ensure that each special agent in his/her office has met the requirements to carry firearms.

The SAC may authorize special agents to carry IRS-owned weapons other than the agents' assigned firearm (for example, shotguns). The SAC will notify the Director, Field Operations of such authorization within 24 hours.

Special agents who carry a privately-owned weapon during off-duty hours are subject to the same civil and criminal restrictions as a private citizen. Special agents may not use their position or credentials to qualify under state or local laws to purchase, license, carry, or use private weapons; however upon request, credentials may be displayed as occupational identification, but not to influence the decision.


http://www.irs.gov/irm/part9/irm_09-001-004.html#d0e199

In a way they can detain anyone they want, call the crime tax evasion, fudge some numbers, and control dissent in the populous.

The seeds of Fascism are sewn one seed a time.

In my own country, we have submitted to our supreme American overlords. Your Law enforcement can now make Arrests on my nations soil.

Awesome.


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rdmcandie wrote:
In a way they can detain anyone they want, call the crime tax evasion, fudge some numbers, and control dissent in the populous.


Yeah, it's crazy how anyone with power can abuse it when they do things illegally Smiley: dubious

You realize that this is like saying that the police "can detain anyone they want, call the crime anything, fudge some evidence, and control dissent in the populous," right?*

*Edit: Which I suppose makes your point if you hate the police and think they're entirely corrupt. Didn't think of that until after I posted.

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 7:15pm by LockeColeMA


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I'm finishing John Avlon's book Wingnuts. He might need to publish a second volume.

This is the book that compares far-right conservatives to *****, right?
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The seeds of Fascism are sewn one seed a time.


I assume you meant to type sown, unless you can tailor and farm at the same time.

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Not that I remember reading. John Avlon is a conservative of the Uglysasquatch variety and is calling for more rational and civilized political discourse. Comparing people to ***** would sort of defeat the purpose (especially since he cites both sides playing the **** card as evidence of the current climate).

Edit: Tablet ate "Uglysasquatch"

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 7:07pm by Jophiel
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Ok.. so how did someone this retarded get elected as governor?


Is it really that unusual?

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Jophiel wrote:
Not that I remember reading. John Avlon is a conservative of the Uglysasquatch variety and is calling for more rational and civilized political discourse. Comparing people to ***** would sort of defeat the purpose (especially since he cites both sides playing the **** card as evidence of the current climate).

Edit: Tablet ate "Uglysasquatch"

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 7:07pm by Jophiel
Awesome, i warrant my own type. And I'm still here, so I guess the tablet **** me back out.
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I assume you meant to type sown, unless you can tailor and farm at the same time.




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Jophiel wrote:
Not that I remember reading. John Avlon is a conservative of the Uglysasquatch variety and is calling for more rational and civilized political discourse. Comparing people to ***** would sort of defeat the purpose (especially since he cites both sides playing the **** card as evidence of the current climate).

Edit: Tablet ate "Uglysasquatch"
Awesome, i warrant my own type. And I'm still here, so I guess the tablet sh*t me back out.
Not much nutritional value.
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paulsol wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Ok.. so how did someone this retarded get elected as governor?


Is it really that unusual?

To be loved by anyone?

+1 for the Tom Jones reference.
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Jophiel wrote:

Edit: Tablet ate "Uglysasquatch"

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 7:07pm by Jophiel
...or did Uglysasquatch hack into your tablet.
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Awesome, i warrant my own type.

Fiscal conservative, largely social agnostic from what I can tell. Belief that fiscal responsibility is important but doesn't use it as justification to promote a social agenda (i.e. "Stop *** marriage because my taxes will pay for breaks for married gays"). You'd know better than me but I assume you're sort of in the David Frum mold.

Or maybe you've never heard of Frum and wouldn't know better than me Smiley: laugh
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Yea, no idea who he is, so you would know better than me.


And that's a pretty good summation. I support most social programs, just can't abide when they get wasteful. I would like to see them administered better, which likely means increasing staffing levels.
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You'd find Frum reasonable, I think. I do, for the most part, even when I disagree with his conclusions.
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Likewise. I like reading Avlon and Frum for sane conservative thought even when I disagree with them.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Yea, no idea who he is, so you would know better than me.


And that's a pretty good summation. I support most social programs, just can't abide when they get wasteful. I would like to see them administered better, which likely means increasing staffing levels.


I think everyone would like to see social programs administered better (barring the recipients of the inefficiencies), but unfortunately it's quite difficult to align incentives to eliminate structural efficiency problems in a public agency.
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unfortunately it's quite difficult to align incentives to eliminate structural efficiency problems in a public agency.
Difficult is not impossible, so lets make it happen.
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Sure, the first step is to structure incentives in a secondary oversight committee, done by an outside think tank instead of a congressional body. It's actually very difficult to find people to tend to the garden without being overtly partisan. These institutions actually have a really short half life before they get overrun without a very strong leader. Add to that it is an unelected body attempting to control policy and you get a lot of backlash from various firms and public figures.

CAGW is one example of one of the many groups trying to do this here, (sorry, I don't have enough knowledge on Canada to know groups off the cuff that do this there) but their decentralized nature makes their specific power to affect policy somewhat lacking. I realize It's necessary to prevent them dying to cancer, but it is what it is.

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