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#27 Jul 13 2012 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, I'm sorry. Now that you've reworded that from "quite" to "very" difficult, I see why it can't be done.
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#28 Jul 13 2012 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, I'm sorry. Now that you've reworded that from "quite" to "very" difficult, I see why it can't be done.

Next stop, "extremely".
#29 Jul 13 2012 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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I assume you two have better implementation ideas then, that can divorce economic and political objectives of a consulting firm, right?

I'm all ears.
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Sure, the first step is to structure incentives in a secondary oversight committee, done by an outside think tank instead of a congressional body. It's actually very difficult to find people to tend to the garden without being overtly partisan. These institutions actually have a really short half life before they get overrun without a very strong leader. Add to that it is an unelected body attempting to control policy and you get a lot of backlash from various firms and public figures.

CAGW is one example of one of the many groups trying to do this here, (sorry, I don't have enough knowledge on Canada to know groups off the cuff that do this there) but their decentralized nature makes their specific power to affect policy somewhat lacking. I realize It's necessary to prevent them dying to cancer, but it is what it is.

Edited, Jul 13th 2012 12:04pm by Timelordwho
The last thing they need is another oversight committee - especially an oversight committee. Do you know how hard it is to get anything done by committee consensus?

They need a permanent structure that requires a thorough audit every so often - maybe 5 years, or 7 years, but that would really be program dependent. The audit process has to remain non-biased.

The problem that I see with most government programs is they take on more and more and never let go of the old. A simple example is electronic documentation versus paper. Many many agencies use both. They can't dump the paper version because it's written into rule, or even statute or maybe they're just not comfortable doing so.

Technology has been changing too fast for our government structure to keep up. The status quo procedures for government to carry out it's work is highly out-dated. There's no way it can keep up with administrations that change every two to six years.

But, something that can't be forgotten is your standard welfare program, whether it's providing food, shelter, money or health care is inherently inefficient as it's has to be available to everyone with need (with welfare programs equality > efficiency).
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The reason our "paperless" office still goes through a ream of paper a week is because you can't tape a website to a broken laserjet printer to explain why it's sitting on the repair bench.
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#32 Jul 13 2012 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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The reason our "paperless" office still goes through a ream of paper a week is because you can't tape a website to a broken laserjet printer to explain why it's sitting on the repair bench.



No, but you could probably send an email. Your statement makes no sense to me.
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Also, that's a lot of broken printers.
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#34 Jul 13 2012 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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People still use printers?
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#35 Jul 13 2012 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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"we lack hospitals and doctors"


We do? When's the last time you couldn't get the care you needed? Heck the only time we really have to wait at all is for specialists and even then you only wait if it's a minor issue, typically 2 weeks - 2 months from my own experience, and generally have an interim treatment for whatever symptoms you may have while you wait.

Wife went to the doctor the other day. Dr wanted an ultrasound done so sent us down the road and had it done an hour later. That wasn't even urgent, we'd have gone down 2 floors and been done immediately if it was.

Our health care system is fantastic. There's always room for improvement of course.
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Our health care system is fantastic. There's always room for improvement of course.


It is fantastic, but we lack doctors and hospitals, which falls under room for improvement. We shouldn't have to wait to get care. I understand serious issues get taken care of rather quickly, but many people are on waiting lists to get fixes for less severe things.

Just saying that the "Canada rations health care" line is misleading. We have to schedule our health care based on necessity, if we had more doctors and care facilities, we would not have to "ration" our doctors and beds.
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"we lack hospitals and doctors"


Our health care system is fantastic. There's always room for improvement of course.


It is fantastic, but we lack doctors and hospitals, which falls under room for improvement. We shouldn't have to wait to get care. I understand serious issues get taken care of rather quickly, but many people are on waiting lists to get fixes for less severe things.

Just saying that the "Canada rations health care" line is misleading. We have to schedule our health care based on necessity, if we had more doctors and care facilities, we would not have to "ration" our doctors and beds.
For what it's worth, here in the good ol' USA where healthcare is a private industry there is also a wait to see specialists.

What is the cause of the shortage of health care resources?
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The reason our "paperless" office still goes through a ream of paper a week is because you can't tape a website to a broken laserjet printer to explain why it's sitting on the repair bench.
No, but you could probably send an email. Your statement makes no sense to me.


We use a cloud based ticketing system for our business process, so all tickets exist in the archives online. But when you have at any given time 5 broken printers (yes that's a lot), 20-30 computers in some state of preparation, repair, or just sitting on a rack waiting to be deployed at a moment's notice, plus boxes and boxes of phones, cables, cords, hard drives, and every other computer part you can think of (we do have a small warehouse for a reason), you need to label what something is, where it belongs, where it's going, and why it's sitting on the repair bench and not being serviced on site. And since we use identical parts whenever we can (most of our printers are 2055dn from HP, and most of our workstations are HP4000 or HP6000 these days), they need to have some sort of distinguishing mark on them. We do have labels with the PC names, but we tape a paper copy of the ticket onto the part in question so that we can identify it instantly. And there are 15 of us shuffling all this stuff around like little ants. I probably print out about 50 pages worth of tickets and other documentation just by myself - and that's not even printing all the tickets I actually process, since most of my work is software based.

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What is the cause of the shortage of health care resources?
Funding in some situations, but mostly, the fact that most doctors don't want to live in ******* remote communities.
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#40 Jul 13 2012 at 6:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is he talking about the IRS itself, or the IRS as synecdoche for rising taxes / big government? Because I always figured the IRS was essentially just a bunch of desk jockeys/paper pushers/pencil pushers/corporate cogs with no real power of their own, albeit desk jockeys with deliberately confusing documents.

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LePage responded, "They're headed in that direction."

Heintz then asked LePage if he knew what the Gestapo did during World War II. LePage said, "Yeah, they killed a lot of people." Heintz asked if he thought the IRS was going to kill a lot of people.

"Yeah," LePage said.

This explains where Gbaji went.
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I'm confused....

I've read this thread, and for the most part, I follow the conversation. In fact, somehow, I feel smarter after reading this thread, but I didn't get a headache...

...I'm not sure how to take this.... it's something I've never experienced before.... is this an asylum thing? Do your threads often make people feel smarter, rather than dumber? Smiley: confused

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catwho wrote:
The reason our "paperless" office still goes through a ream of paper a week is because you can't tape a website to a broken laserjet printer to explain why it's sitting on the repair bench.

Paperless offices shouldn't have printers in the first place.
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The reason our "paperless" office still goes through a ream of paper a week is because you can't tape a website to a broken laserjet printer to explain why it's sitting on the repair bench.

Paperless offices shouldn't have printers in the first place.

Tell that to HIPAA.
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#46 Jul 15 2012 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Do your threads often make people feel smarter, rather than dumber?


It depends on whether or not you can dismiss facts outright that disagree with your political worldview or not. Those that can't stay willfully ignorant, those that can may or may not learn something new.

Mostly the former.
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#47 Jul 15 2012 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
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We do? When's the last time you couldn't get the care you needed? Heck the only time we really have to wait at all is for specialists and even then you only wait if it's a minor issue, typically 2 weeks - 2 months from my own experience, and generally have an interim treatment for whatever symptoms you may have while you wait.

Wife went to the doctor the other day. Dr wanted an ultrasound done so sent us down the road and had it done an hour later. That wasn't even urgent, we'd have gone down 2 floors and been done immediately if it was.

Our health care system is fantastic. There's always room for improvement of course.


It all depends. Do you live in a city over 100K? If then, you're right. If you're not, the situation is totally different.

Also there is a huge lack of family physicians, I mean, yes, it's easy as heck to get seen by a walk in clinic, but it's not the same as having someone watching your health in a long term way.

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What is the cause of the shortage of health care resources?


There are several things...

We don't have a lot of spaces in universities to train doctors, and there are a lot of them retiring.

Most provincial governments are cash-strapped, so they are holding the line on budgets, so for surgeries like knee and hip, which are scheduled surgeries, they are handing (speaking of my prov. here) a budget to the health authorities and saying "live within it" what that means is that they are using that money till it runs out and everyone left gets to wait till there is more money.

The result is long wait lists for some of those surgeries, and then yes, people go to the states for private surgery sometimes if they can afford it in those cases. When it comes to anything truly life-threatening though, it gets done. It's not an ideal situation at times but it is still better than forking out huge medical insurance premiums.

As for hospitals, we don't have a shortage of them, at least here, though in rural areas there are some that have been having limited closures etc because there aren't the doctors to staff them it is just really difficult to keep doctors in some of those towns, which have less than 10 k people in the middle of nowhere.. More needs to be done to help that, but even money isn't really enough at times, it is just an issue of people not wanting to live in a village in the middle of nowhere, period.



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#48 Jul 16 2012 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I lived in neighborhoods with more than 100k people.
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Your mom is a neighborhood of more than 100K people.
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I lived in neighborhoods with more than 100k people.


I grew up in a community of less than 16k, and it was the largest city for six hours drive in any direction.
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Your mom is a neighborhood of more than 100K people.
Technically that would probably be true.
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