Haven't been here in five years. But it's pretty clear to me that Obama ******* sucks. Have all liberals here gotten around to this, or are there still some apologists? Some points:
*Obama murdered an American, and legally authorized the murder of others
*Obama tried to extend the Iraq War, only stymied because Iraq wanted home prosecution of US soldier war crimes
*Obama has continued Gitmo, and rendition
*Obama has ordered/not prevented the mandhandling of objective journalists at airports
*Obama has advocated the prosection of whistleblowers of US fiscal lawbreakers, and US military lawbreakers
*Obama has never even charged any banking executive to fault, and has immunized all previous administrations from war crimes
*Obama has started several new wars via drones: Yemen. Somalia. Libya.
*Obama has greatly increased drone strikes at Yemen and Pakistan, leading to hundreds of innocent deaths
*Obama has authorized drone strikes at weddings and funerals bystanders
*Obama has targeted "any man of military age" as an accepted target of death
*Obama has not put forth any legal rationale for any of the above, depiste FOIA and ACLU requests
*Obama has not gained anything on the Palestine-Isreal conflict
*Obama has, to the above, not prevented Israel building new houses/settlement
*Obama has, as his many formers, supported the dictator Mubarak
*Obama has saber-rattled with Iran, despite a reather equitable solution at hand, which the US rejected
Sure, maye he's better domestically. He did allow gays in the military. He achieved a universal health care that primarily beneifts health care corporations rather than individuals. He directed domestice law enforcement to not enforce marijuana, until oh, they have assraped California marijuana providers.
Seriously, he sucks. Unlike Romney, Paul, Democratic write-in, etc., Obama is a PROVEN enemy of civil liberties, the Constitution, reasonable foreign policy, and peacefulness. Anyone thinking he's going to do an about-face in his second term is a pie-in-the-sky-staring hippie idiot. Obama is a piece of ****. He will continue Bush's 3rd term into the 4th with very little change.
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Don't your Presidents do more things closer to their own ideals in their 2nd term when getting re-elected is no longer a concern?
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I'll accept Obama is a PROVEN enemy of civil liberties, the Constitution, reasonable foreign policy, and peacefulness, if you'll accept that the Republicans are worse enemies of all of the above.
Seriously guys, how do you run a country when filibustering of bills is allowed, and the constitution is designed to deadlock the government 15 years out of every 16?
Seriously guys, how do you run a country when filibustering of bills is allowed, and the constitution is designed to deadlock the government 15 years out of every 16?
Correct on all charges in your little list there. I've found Obama to be a huge disappointment, myself. But I take issue with the following:
Ok, lets look at Mitt Romney's campaign website.
Regarding Israel:
[quote=]Israel is the United States’ closest ally in the Middle East and a beacon of democracy and freedom in the region[/quote]
I suppose it's opposite day every day for Mitt..
"Hey guys! Let's not only keep ignoring a plethora of human rights violations, but let's make the problem even worse through bullying!"
Because that's the christian way...
On gay marriage:
On Russia:
I'm not going to say that Russia in it's current form is great, but I will say that the preceding quote makes a lot less sense now than it would have 20-25 years ago.
Translation: We want europe to buy from sources that benefit us at the expense of another country's economy...and get the cold war back into full swing.
He's also against Stem Cell Research, Gay Marriage, Immigration of those without either money, or a really good education, Public Education, affordable health care, getting the **** out of the middle east.
He is for: War with Iran, which is really bad enough on its own.
Romney scares me. Obama may not be doing a good(or even acceptable job), but he's not taking the country backwards, and Romney aims to try to do just that.
Why is he scared to move forward, why are his supporters scared?
Saying Romney doesn't suck in comparison to Obama, is ludicrous.
I'd rather have Obama as PotUS than Romney, Obama is at least trying to go forward.
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Seriously, he sucks. Unlike Romney, Paul,
Ok, lets look at Mitt Romney's campaign website.
Regarding Israel:
[quote=]Israel is the United States’ closest ally in the Middle East and a beacon of democracy and freedom in the region[/quote]
I suppose it's opposite day every day for Mitt..
Quote:
As president, Mitt will reject any measure that would frustrate direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. He will make clear to the Palestinians that the unilateral attempt to decide issues that are designated for final negotiations by the Oslo Accords is unacceptable. The United States will reduce assistance to the Palestinians if they continue to pursue United Nations recognition
"Hey guys! Let's not only keep ignoring a plethora of human rights violations, but let's make the problem even worse through bullying!"
Because that's the christian way...
On gay marriage:
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Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman
On Russia:
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Upon taking office, Mitt Romney will reset the reset. He will implement a strategy that will seek to discourage aggressive or expansionist behavior on the part of Russia and encourage democratic political and economic reform.
I'm not going to say that Russia in it's current form is great, but I will say that the preceding quote makes a lot less sense now than it would have 20-25 years ago.
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Mitt Romney will pursue policies that work to decrease the reliance of European nations on Russian sources of energy. He will explore increasing technical assistance to the Eastern European nations currently developing the Turkey-to-Austria Nabucco natural gas pipeline, which will supply Europe with a cheaper source of energy and options apart from Russian oil and gas. A Romney administration will also work with the private sector to spur access to untapped shale energy resources in Western Europe.
Translation: We want europe to buy from sources that benefit us at the expense of another country's economy...and get the cold war back into full swing.
He's also against Stem Cell Research, Gay Marriage, Immigration of those without either money, or a really good education, Public Education, affordable health care, getting the **** out of the middle east.
He is for: War with Iran, which is really bad enough on its own.
Romney scares me. Obama may not be doing a good(or even acceptable job), but he's not taking the country backwards, and Romney aims to try to do just that.
Why is he scared to move forward, why are his supporters scared?
Saying Romney doesn't suck in comparison to Obama, is ludicrous.
I'd rather have Obama as PotUS than Romney, Obama is at least trying to go forward.
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Posted: Jul 08 2012 at 6:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) tldr: Obama sucks, democrats are whining pussies
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Don't your Presidents do more things closer to their own ideals in their 2nd term when getting re-elected is no longer a concern?
Ideally, yes. But Obama had two years of a Democratic majority in Congress and didn't do **** except reward and legalize Bush's abuses. And he has demonstrated, via his own personal rulings, that went far beyond any "waiting" strategy, that he is a fascist. He might do a few things on domestic things, like overturn Defense of Marriage Act (which would be great). But he will not open up his records of assassination any more than he has. He won't pull back on drone-striking other countries. He won't pull back on US-internal espionage per person. And he won't stop warmongering.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
I'm certainly willing to concede that the Nobel Prize committee catastrophically jumped the gun by awarding him a Peace Prize just when he assumed office.
Monsieur Driftwood wrote:
Ok, lets look at Mitt Romney's campaign website.
I agree. Romney does suck. He frightens me, and he sucks. But he hasn't demonstrated that he sucks as President. Obama has. I just don't see why someone would vote for someone who has PROVEN to suck in a position, vs. someone who we only have a high suspician will suck.
Hm. Maybe I can better just say: I'm an anti-incumbent voter, if the incumbent sucks. I'm willing to give a challenger the rope to demonstrate that he sucks. And if he does too, I'll vote for a challenger the next election.
I'm not going to lie on mud while an ******* President lays his cleats on me, while I struggle to put a vote for him into the ballot box.
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'm certainly willing to concede that the Nobel Prize committee catastrophically jumped the gun by awarding him a Peace Prize just when he assumed office.
Heh, big time.
I might vote Green btw. Seriously. Or libertarian. Or write-in. ABO. Anyone But Obama. I don't give a **** that I'm throwing a vote away. Anyone in a state that doesn't have a literally 500000-500000 result is throwing their vote away. May as well throw it in a decent direction.
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Republicans might very well be worse than Obama on all this. The important thing to me as a voter is that the current opposition candidates haven't PROVEN that they will be worse,
Yes, yes they have.
Romney is nothing if not the candidate of the status quo.
Just as Planned.
Romney has already demonstrated that despite claiming to be a great businessman, he has a campaign staff that confuses Venn diagrams with Action Set diagrams (the latter is taught in business school in project management classes).
My view on Romney is this: He represents the very worst kind of capitalism in the US, the one that essentially turned people who know how to exploit the system into the new nobility of the country. The founding fathers were themselves a bunch of rich old white men, but they'd look at the wealth of Romney and people like him and shake their heads in disgust. He made his millions by preying on weak companies and destroying them, tearing apart the lives of thousands of people in the process. What has he invented? Nothing. What has he created? Nothing. Yet what does he own? Too much, too much.
Obama? Made his first million selling a book about how much it sucked being a kid with no dad. Made his next few millions selling a book about how if you work hard, stay in school, don't do (too many) drugs, you might get ahead and become a Senator.
My view on Romney is this: He represents the very worst kind of capitalism in the US, the one that essentially turned people who know how to exploit the system into the new nobility of the country. The founding fathers were themselves a bunch of rich old white men, but they'd look at the wealth of Romney and people like him and shake their heads in disgust. He made his millions by preying on weak companies and destroying them, tearing apart the lives of thousands of people in the process. What has he invented? Nothing. What has he created? Nothing. Yet what does he own? Too much, too much.
Obama? Made his first million selling a book about how much it sucked being a kid with no dad. Made his next few millions selling a book about how if you work hard, stay in school, don't do (too many) drugs, you might get ahead and become a Senator.
Palpitus1 wrote:
I might vote Green btw. Seriously. Or libertarian. Or write-in.
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Palpitus1 wrote:
Monsieur Driftwood wrote:
Ok, lets look at Mitt Romney's campaign website.
I agree. Romney does suck. He frightens me, and he sucks. But he hasn't demonstrated that he sucks as President.
And suddenly being elected president will make him suck less? If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it'll still be a duck when it enters the oval office.
Vote green all you want. I would never encourage someone to vote for Obama who believes he's not fit for the office, but to suggest Romney is even potentially a better candidate is to illustrate exactly how much of the right wing media's nut juice you've been gulping.
As an aside, anyone who starts off a conversation lambasting any candidate unprovoked and as relentlessly as you have is obviously not interested in civil discourse and IMO, should be disregarded, ignored and generally overlooked as a useless member of society.
Timelordwho wrote:
Romney is nothing if not the candidate of the status quo.
The status quo being a stagnant economy in which the President's signature accomplishment is still losing in the court of public opinion?
Obama is the candidate of the status quo because he is the status quo.
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Demea wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Romney is nothing if not the candidate of the status quo.
The status quo being a stagnant economy in which the President's signature accomplishment is still losing in the court of public opinion?
Obama is the candidate of the status quo because he is the status quo.
Actually, the court of public opinion doesn't even really know what happened, partially because of the epic **** up of CNN and Fox News.
Opinions about the SCotUS ruling on the healthcare law and opinions on the healthcare law are not the same thing.
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Palpitus1 wrote:
I agree. Romney does suck. He frightens me, and he sucks. But he hasn't demonstrated that he sucks as President. Obama has. I just don't see why someone would vote for someone who has PROVEN to suck in a position, vs. someone who we only have a high suspician will suck.
Romney's theoretical policy positions disturb me much more than Obama's proven policy positions.
Or, more so, Romney will serve as a rubber stamp for a GOP with proven positions that worry me even more than Romney does himself.
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Demea wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Romney is nothing if not the candidate of the status quo.
The status quo being a stagnant economy in which the President's signature accomplishment is still losing in the court of public opinion?
Yes, I'm 99.5% sure he will do exactly that.
Just as Planned.
So basically, this election comes down to either voting for obama, and getting 4 more years of slow, stagnated progress towards fixing the mess Bush caused, or take a massive gamble and vote for Romney, hoping to get a faster resolution, and risking the likelihood of setting this country back another 20 years in many fields, such as civil rights (read: gay marriage), medicine (stem cell research), education, relations with the middle east (which I don't really mean throwing us back 20 years, so much as greatly increasing the risk for Iran starting WW3) as well as other powerful foreign nations, like Russia, all to maybe, possibly, fix one of the other things that's wrong with the country (the economy). Obama may be moving slow and doing a poor job, but at least he's trying to make progress on all fronts with at least some, albeit relatively small, success. Potentially fixing the economy at the cost of near guaranteeing colossal damage to most of everything else wrong with the country does not really seem like a wise choice to me.
This election isn't really as cut and dry as the last one was (which effectively became gamble with our future and vote Obama, or vote for McWarhawk and the bimbo and risk starting WW3 and/or royally ********** the country for decades), but while both will end up being remembered as a gamble, the odds (by which I mean the results of the gamble) this time are heavily in favor of Obama. "Romney hasn't proven he won't be an effective president" is not a valid argument, given what we know about his positions and policy plans. With Obama, we know what we're getting. With Romney, we're basically saying "Ok, if I vote for you and win the gamble, I'll get $50. If I lose the gamble, I lose my right arm, my spleen, one of my kidneys, and my left nut." Romney is very much not the lesser of two evils, right now.
This election isn't really as cut and dry as the last one was (which effectively became gamble with our future and vote Obama, or vote for McWarhawk and the bimbo and risk starting WW3 and/or royally ********** the country for decades), but while both will end up being remembered as a gamble, the odds (by which I mean the results of the gamble) this time are heavily in favor of Obama. "Romney hasn't proven he won't be an effective president" is not a valid argument, given what we know about his positions and policy plans. With Obama, we know what we're getting. With Romney, we're basically saying "Ok, if I vote for you and win the gamble, I'll get $50. If I lose the gamble, I lose my right arm, my spleen, one of my kidneys, and my left nut." Romney is very much not the lesser of two evils, right now.
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Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O
Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
Hey, vote for me! I haven't demonstrated that I'll totally ***** up, either!
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catwho wrote:
Obama? Made his first million selling a book about how much it sucked being a kid with no dad. Made his next few millions selling a book about how if you work hard, stay in school, don't do (too many) drugs, you might get ahead and become a Senator.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
catwho wrote:
Obama? Made his first million selling a book about how much it sucked being a kid with no dad. Made his next few millions selling a book about how if you work hard, stay in school, don't do (too many) drugs, you might get ahead and become a Senator.
Hey, if they want to waste $30 on a hardback book, that's their inalienable right.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
catwho wrote:
Obama? Made his first million selling a book about how much it sucked being a kid with no dad. Made his next few millions selling a book about how if you work hard, stay in school, don't do (too many) drugs, you might get ahead and become a Senator.
Sounds about right, but Romney made his millions ******** hard-working American's out of their jobs. I'll take the president who preys on the stupid, thanks.
Guenny wrote:
Sounds about right, but Romney made his millions ******** hard-working American's out of their jobs. I'll take the president who preys on the stupid, thanks.
The amount of people who don't understand how equity firms like Bain operate staggers me.
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