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#1 Jul 05 2012 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Has anybody ever heard of shoulder problems developing from excessive computer, specifically mouse, usage?

My right shoulder is killing me and I can't figure out what else I could have done to it. I haven't played any sports lately and I don't think any of the activities I've done with my son lately would cause this level of pain.

I should note, this shoulder was injured in a car accident 2 years ago, but it was just a sprain/strain, I went through therapy, and I was able to resume normal activities.
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My mother still has lingering shoulder problems from a minor accident she was in years ago, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's flaring up again. Knowing nothing other than what you told me, and that anecdotes are data, that seems a logical conclusion. So ya, seriously, talk to your doctor or something.

Also, all the cool people use the mouse with their left hand, get with the times. Smiley: cool

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My first thought was the damage the accident caused. Two things made me rule that out. The pain is in a different area this time. Last time it was the back of my shoulder, this time it is the outside almost shooting down my arm. The second thing is that it hurts way worse this time. Like exponentially worse.
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Could be anything from built up stress from two years ago to sleeping on it wrong.

Edited, Jul 5th 2012 1:06pm by lolgaxe
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Yeah, I'll have to go to the doctor. I'm just afraid he's gonna say the S-word.

I was really just wondering if anybody had heard of any shoulder problems related to excessive computer use. I'm on the computer 8 hours a day at work and then I go home and put in more time at home.
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Yeah, I'll have to go to the doctor. I'm just afraid he's gonna say the S-word.

I was really just wondering if anybody had heard of any shoulder problems related to excessive computer use. I'm on the computer 8 hours a day at work and then I go home and put in more time at home.

I have back problems due to poor posture at the computer. I've never had pain isolated to a particular shoulder though. As a layman and not at all a practicing physician, my advice is to take some Ibuprofen and call a doctor if it doesn't subside within 2-3 days.

Trying to rationalize it by suggesting its simply due to being at the computer will neither make the pain go away nor truly isolate the cause.
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Wrist and elbow problems are more common, but shouldar issues can also occur, especially if you ned up moving alot of computer Chassis around or server boxes.

A couple things to check ergonomically. are your elbows properly supported by your chair when you type? if not, do you have to roll your shouldar at all forward to reach your keyboard? particularily your right shouldar? If you find that you have to adjust your shouldar position to type, you may want to consider looking into one of these keyboards: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ specifically the one where the keyboard segments split in half and can be positioned so your shouldar ball joint isn't rotated at all when you type. Also look into a full length keyboard tray wrist rest (you may need to make your own if you can't find an appropriate one)

You also may want to switch to a trackball, as some people mouse with their shoudar rather than just their lower arm, I personally can't stand the damn things, but they do help some people.

Chances are you will need to have the shouldar looked at by a doctor though, and surgery will be likely.
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What's a shouldar?
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You had me going back checking every time I had used the word thinking I had misspelled it.
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Wrist and elbow problems are more common, but shouldar issues can also occur, especially if you ned up moving alot of computer Chassis around or server boxes.

A couple things to check ergonomically. are your elbows properly supported by your chair when you type? if not, do you have to roll your shouldar at all forward to reach your keyboard? particularily your right shouldar? If you find that you have to adjust your shouldar position to type, you may want to consider looking into one of these keyboards: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ specifically the one where the keyboard segments split in half and can be positioned so your shouldar ball joint isn't rotated at all when you type. Also look into a full length keyboard tray wrist rest (you may need to make your own if you can't find an appropriate one)

You also may want to switch to a trackball, as some people mouse with their shoudar rather than just their lower arm, I personally can't stand the damn things, but they do help some people.

Chances are you will need to have the shouldar looked at by a doctor though, and surgery will be likely.


I don't do that rolling forward motion to type, but I do it a lot when answering the phone at work. I'm just going to have to go to the doctor. This has been going on for a week and it's only getting worse.
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Get a plantronics headset with an auto lifter. Prefferably one of the ones that has a call pick up button you can locate near your mouse hand to minimize movement. The ear mounted ones should work though too because that would involve less arm movement than reach and lift of a phone headset.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Get a plantronics headset with an auto lifter. Prefferably one of the ones that has a call pick up button you can locate near your mouse hand to minimize movement. The ear mounted ones should work though too because that would involve less arm movement than reach and lift of a phone headset.


We're getting a new phone system soon and there's a rumor going around that it may include headsets for everyone. I'll hold off until we get it to see before I spend my money on one. For now I'll just switch the side of my computer that my phone is on.
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I had pretty terrible pain originating around the shoulder blade and extending down my arm, likely due to my extremely poor posture at times on the computer. It was a bit painful to the touch, or even occasionally feeling numb at the center of the painful area. My shoulder would start to bother me after less and less time on the computer, even if I maintained proper posture. Long driving trips would cause it to flare up, too. It took quite a few months (OK, it bothered me on and off for over a year), but ultimately was covered under my "ignore it and hope it goes away" health insurance plan. Of course, if I fall into my old posture habits, it'll flare up, so I just try not to do that.
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Yeah, I'll have to go to the doctor. I'm just afraid he's gonna say the S-word.

I was really just wondering if anybody had heard of any shoulder problems related to excessive computer use. I'm on the computer 8 hours a day at work and then I go home and put in more time at home.


My sweetheart actually has gotten really bad back and shoulder pain in her mouse shoulder. She went to a physio and got exercises to help strengthen her core muscles as well as loosen it up. She had to take some time off work/computer too - cause if you don't give it a rest it just keeps getting worse and worse. So yes, it is totally possible to have shoulder pain from mouse usage. Hopefully your GP suggests massage/physio and that works for you. However, you might have to take a few days off too to get it to a point where you aren't messing it up more and more.
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Try an armless desk chair.
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My dad injured his shoulder skiing almost a decade ago, and it still bothers him sometimes when he does strenuous activities (yard work, moving furniture, etc.).
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My dad injured his shoulder skiing almost a decade ago, and it still bothers him sometimes when he does strenuous activities (yard work, moving furniture, etc.).
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The two thoughts are not related.

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I have wrist problems.

This has been a godsend.

I'd also look into changing your chair. Ergonomics has been greatly improved in office chairs over the last twenty years, and it's possible to get a great ergo chair for a reasonable price.
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I have really bad pain on my right shoulder that goes up into my neck. It's a combination of sleeping on my right side too much and being at the computer too often with less than perfect posture. This has been going on for about 8 years for me. I went to the chiropractor about it for a little while, but once I lost that insurance, I couldn't afford that anymore. Now the pain comes and goes. I've just learned to live with it for the most part.
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Get a neck and shoulder heating pad. It's what I use after particularly hard workouts, or just when I'm hurting.
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Avoid surgery if you can. Most ergonomic problems can be fixed without it, and the chances of increasing your problems is much greater than most doctors (or any surgeons) want to admit.

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Avoid surgery if you can. Most ergonomic problems can be fixed without it, and the chances of increasing your problems is much greater than most doctors (or any surgeons) want to admit.


Personally, I believe the solution is actually to buy nice chairs for the upper class. When they're comfortable, they'll see to it that the people below them get a comfortable chair, too.

It's trickle-down ergonomics.
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Avoid surgery if you can. Most ergonomic problems can be fixed without it, and the chances of increasing your problems is much greater than most doctors (or any surgeons) want to admit.


Personally, I believe the solution is actually to buy nice chairs for the upper class. When they're comfortable, they'll see to it that the people below them get a comfortable chair, too.

It's trickle-down ergonomics.

Pssh, the poor will end up with the rejects like the knee-chair and iso-ball chair.

My favorite ergo accessories are my tilting foot stools. I have them both here and at home. My home one is really sweet - it's old and worn in but tilts back and forth effortlessly. The tilt lets you easily and continually change up the pressures on your whole lower body.
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I was wondering how long this would take. I'm actually disappointed it took this long.

Edit: On a serious note, thanks for all the help. My sister is a PTA but she hadn't heard of anything like this before. She's supposed to get me some thera-bands so I can do some exercises at home to stretch and strengthen my shoulder. Hopefully it gets better, I want to play some golf when the weather cools down.

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If you suspect it's related to using the mouse try using a trackball instead. Heck, try using a trackball anyway, they're much better for you if you're spending a lot of time on the computer. I only use standard mice for gaming now and I'm much better for it.
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If you suspect it's related to using the mouse try using a trackball instead. Heck, try using a trackball anyway, they're much better for you if you're spending a lot of time on the computer. I only use standard mice for gaming now and I'm much better for it.

If it's mouse related, switch mouse hands.

It's quite easy to get used to using a mouse on your off-hand. I can even peeveepee with my left hand...muahahahaha.

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Not with a right hand only mouse.
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If you suspect it's related to using the mouse try using a trackball instead. Heck, try using a trackball anyway, they're much better for you if you're spending a lot of time on the computer. I only use standard mice for gaming now and I'm much better for it.

If it's mouse related, switch mouse hands.

It's quite easy to get used to using a mouse on your off-hand. I can even peeveepee with my left hand...muahahahaha.


Are you sure you aren't just ambidextrous?
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I can even peeveepee with my left hand...muahahahaha.


Are you sure you aren't just ambidextrous?


Pretty sure this is the internet equivalent of "I can beat you up with one hand tied behind my back."


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Not with a right hand only mouse.


Actually, it really is pretty easy to use a right hander with your left hand. Thats how my work and home computers are set up. You end up using your middle finger as the left click. With practice you can actually use a right and a left on two computers at the same time fairly fluidly. comes in handy when you need to do two things at once.
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Just trying to hold my mouse with my left hand is a struggle.
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I'm left handed and find it awkward to use my left hand with a mouse.
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Back before I realized it was retarded to try to play ffxi with a regular mouse I would have shoulder/elbow issues. Now that I'm a keyboard only player I do find I get this ache/pain in my back below my shoulder blade if I'm partying using my macros a lot. Same spot all the time so I'm sure its because I've got bad posture.
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Back before I realized it was retarded to try to play ffxi with a regular mouse I would have shoulder/elbow issues. Now that I'm a keyboard only player I do find I get this ache/pain in my back below my shoulder blade if I'm partying using my macros a lot. Same spot all the time so I'm sure its because I've got bad posture.


They make control pads for a reason.
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Back before I realized it was retarded to try to play ffxi with a regular mouse I would have shoulder/elbow issues. Now that I'm a keyboard only player I do find I get this ache/pain in my back below my shoulder blade if I'm partying using my macros a lot. Same spot all the time so I'm sure its because I've got bad posture.


They make control pads for a reason.

Seriously, mashing macros got so bad I had to stop playing for a while and came back using a control pad. It made playing the game not hurt so much.
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Back before I realized it was retarded to try to play ffxi with a regular mouse I would have shoulder/elbow issues. Now that I'm a keyboard only player I do find I get this ache/pain in my back below my shoulder blade if I'm partying using my macros a lot. Same spot all the time so I'm sure its because I've got bad posture.


They make control pads for a reason.

Seriously, mashing macros got so bad I had to stop playing for a while and came back using a control pad. It made playing the game not hurt so much.


What is this control pad of which you speak... linky please.
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What is this control pad of which you speak... linky please.


Something along the lines of one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Dual-Action-Game-Pad/dp/B0000ALFCI

Though when I game, I use one of these controllers...
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Kao brings up some good points regarding ergonomics. I'd also suggest visiting a chiropractor before going to a normal GP. Sometimes a disk out of alignment can have many different kinds of affects on other parts of the body, and it would be way cheaper than surgery. Also most medical plans cover some degree of chiropractic care.

Just research a chiropractor first, some of them can be a little fruity. Into pressure points to relieve pent up emotional drama from your parents... all sorts of weird stuff.
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