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#127 Jul 01 2012 at 9:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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You people are talking to Alma again. Stop it.

He's the only one to argue with since gbaji is MIA.

The rest of the bleating sheep just link to Huffington Post articles and say stuff like "you hate poor people!"
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#128 Jul 01 2012 at 9:49 AM Rating: Default
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Demea wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
You people are talking to Alma again. Stop it.

He's the only one to argue with since gbaji is MIA.

The rest of the bleating sheep just link to Huffington Post articles and say stuff like "you hate poor people!"


You guys are proficient at arguing with me even when I agree with you.
#129 Jul 01 2012 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Iirc demea is against Obamacare (at least as its currently structured)
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#130 Jul 01 2012 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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Iirc demea is against Obamacare (at least as its currently structured)

I'm against the idea that the federal government can penalize citizens for not engaging in economic activity.
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#131 Jul 01 2012 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Iirc demea is against Obamacare (at least as its currently structured)

I'm against the idea that the federal government can penalize citizens for not engaging in economic activity.

Then think of positive! Instead of penalized for not doing it, you are being rewarded for doing it! (Problem solved!)
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Timelordwho wrote:
Iirc demea is against Obamacare (at least as its currently structured)

I'm against the idea that the federal government can penalize citizens for not engaging in economic activity.

Then think of positive! Instead of penalized for not doing it, you are being rewarded for doing it! (Problem solved!)


This...

This reminds me of a conversation that I had with one of my Chinese friends about China's law on multiple children. I can't say if it's accurate, but her explanation was that you can have as many children as you want. If you live in the city, you will get taxed/fined for having more than one child and rewarded for having only one child. If you live in the country, you are not penalized. Alternatively, a friend of mine living in Japan said that the government and society promote *** due to their low birth rates and high death rates. No one likes to be told what to do (unless you're just lazy), but sometimes the scenario doesn't show any promising alternatives.
#133 Jul 01 2012 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Timelordwho wrote:
Iirc demea is against Obamacare (at least as its currently structured)

I'm against the idea that the federal government can penalize citizens for not engaging in economic activity.

Then think of positive! Instead of penalized for not doing it, you are being rewarded for doing it! (Problem solved!)

My taxes will not go down because of this bill, ergo I'm not being rewarded in any way for having health insurance, but rather avoiding a penalty. Which is how the law was written. Which, bringing us full circle, is why it's complete ******** to label the individual mandate a "tax."
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#134 Jul 01 2012 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
Demea wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Iirc demea is against Obamacare (at least as its currently structured)

I'm against the idea that the federal government can penalize citizens for not engaging in economic activity.

Then think of positive! Instead of penalized for not doing it, you are being rewarded for doing it! (Problem solved!)

My taxes will not go down because of this bill, ergo I'm not being rewarded in any way for having health insurance, but rather avoiding a penalty. Which is how the law was written. Which, bringing us full circle, is why it's complete bullsh*t to label the individual mandate a "tax."


Hm. So if they introduced a tax in a separate bill and then, in another, offered a tax break to anyone who got insurance, that would be acceptable? The net effect of the two bills could be the same as this one, but it would pass your test. Even if there were otherwise good reasons to hold the two could not be introduced in the same bill (there definitely aren't, taxes are never unconditionally applicable) and you hadn't just pulled it from your ****, one might conclude it would be pointless to do so. It doesn't serve to restrict the government's power in any meaningful way. Do you see the loophole in your arbitrary stipulation?
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#135 Jul 01 2012 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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The rest of the bleating sheep just link to Huffington Post articles and say stuff like "you hate poor people!"

That's nonsense. I link to Mother Jones to prove that you hate poor people.
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#136 Jul 01 2012 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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Will I be able to buy insurance directly from the government? The only issue i have would be paying a tax for not giving money to a private company. I live in the US and would be OK with paying them, but I don't think any company should make a profit just because I'm alive.
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Will I be able to buy insurance directly from the government? The only issue i have would be paying a tax for not giving money to a private company. I live in the US and would be OK with paying them, but I don't think any company should make a profit just because I'm alive.

Better stop buying food, water, electricity, shelter, internet service, televisions, and all other forms of consumer products, then! Smiley: laugh
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#138 Jul 02 2012 at 6:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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How can they make me pay a "tax" for not buying something?

Taxed when I buy, taxed when I don't. This is seriously cutting into my hookers and blow fund.
Had you been a tax paying adult in the 50's, if you could have still afforded the hookers and blow, you'd have likely been taxed on them as well.

Over-all tax rates are not anything remarkable at the moment.
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The rest of the bleating sheep just link to Huffington Post articles and say stuff like "you hate poor people!"
So, what? You're poking at the lobotomized goat instead? He doesn't even understand how dictionaries work.
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Demea wrote:
The rest of the bleating sheep just link to Huffington Post articles and say stuff like "you hate poor people!"
So, what? You're poking at the lobotomized goat instead? He doesn't even understand how dictionaries work.


There were way too many multi-syllabic words with more than one sound in that post for Alma to understand it.
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#141Almalieque, Posted: Jul 02 2012 at 1:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No need to project your lack of an ability to sagaciously differentiate common use of words and phrases. It's blatantly obvious that I'm right or most of the thread is also wrong. Then again, I'm aware that I'm just your entertainment, which only negates the previous "movements" of wanting me gone.
#142 Jul 02 2012 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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#143 Jul 02 2012 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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It's blatantly obvious that I'm right or most of the thread is also wrong.


False, but don't let common sense spoil your delusions. You never have before.
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#144 Jul 02 2012 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
No need to project your lack of an ability to sagaciously differentiate common use of words and phrases. It's blatantly obvious that I'm right or most of the thread is also wrong. Then again, I'm aware that I'm just your entertainment, which only negates the previous "movements" of wanting me gone.

Wow... in any case, I win....as always...Smiley: nod Carry on..


Dear Mr. Almalieque,

I'm really not one to beg, but I am dying for either a)some of the drugs you're on, or 2)an invitation to whatever fantasy land you're living in.

Sincerely (ok, not REALLY sincerely),

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#145 Jul 02 2012 at 2:08 PM Rating: Default
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Almalieque wrote:
It's blatantly obvious that I'm right or most of the thread is also wrong.


False, but don't let common sense spoil your delusions. You never have before.


Oh, so most of this thread is AGAINST Obamacare?

Are you implying that the people on this thread are incapable of realizing that a word with multiple meanings can be used in different ways and that one definition doesn't necessarily negate the other?

So, I guess that most people on this thread love paying thousands of dollars for insurance only to still have to pay a deductible, with possibly higher insurance rates?

Ha.. If anyone is dwelling in illusory thoughts, 'tis you. Don't let this forum's ability to transform any thread into a tumultuous thread against me deceive you.

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Dear Mr. Almalieque,

I'm really not one to beg, but I am dying for either a)some of the drugs you're on, or 2)an invitation to whatever fantasy land you're living in.

Sincerely (ok, not REALLY sincerely),

Bigdaddyjug


I'm sorry, but WTFRU?

Jus' sayin'



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#146 Jul 02 2012 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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Wow... in any case, I win....as always...Smiley: nod Carry on, while imagining me as a long-haired Rock and Roll Star in the band Kansas
Hah, I almost forgot about Kansas (the band not the state)
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They named a state after the band?
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#148 Jul 02 2012 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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They named a state after the band?

Umm, where do you think Chicago got it's name?
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They named a state after the band?

Umm, where do you think Chicago got it's name?



So that means "America" came from....*gasp*...
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How can they make me pay a "tax" for not buying something?

Taxed when I buy, taxed when I don't. This is seriously cutting into my hookers and blow fund.
Had you been a tax paying adult in the 50's, if you could have still afforded the hookers and blow, you'd have likely been taxed on them as well.

Over-all tax rates are not anything remarkable at the moment.



I think the 50s version of Hookers and Blow was Caffeine pills and a hand job.
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