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#1 Jun 26 2012 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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There have been a couple news stories recently about judges using non-standardized sentencing in court cases.

Yesterday this story hit my local paper: A 3-year old Utah girl was left in the hands of two older girls that she had just met at a McDonalds. The little girls new friends were 11 and 13. The 13 year old decided to give the 3 year old a new haircut. The three year olds mother pressed charges. The 13 year old was sentenced to community service and to have her mother cut off her hair - in the courtroom.

Another judge in Texas gave a man the option of 30 days in jail or 30 days sleeping in a dog house for abusive behavior towards his family.

The article I was reading calls these 'shame' punishments. The first case cited above sounds more like an eye-for-an-eye type punishment.

How stupid is it for a judge to sentence a girl to having her hair cut for the crime of cutting hair? Why does this even belong in a real live courtroom?

Here's a few more cited in the article:

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In an Ohio case, a municipal judge sentenced two teens found guilty of breaking into a church on Christmas Eve to march through town with a donkey and a sign reading, "Sorry for the Jackass Offense." The same judge later ordered a woman to be taken to a remote location to sleep outside for abandoning kittens in parks.

Turley said Texas Judge Ted Poe made people shovel manure to degrade them. Poe parlayed his "poetic justice" into a congressional seat, while Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has faced complaints over orders that male inmates wear pink underwear.


Turley, the expert commenting in this story is a prof. at George Washington U:

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"To some extent, we've seen the merging of law and entertainment in the last 10 years," Turley said, noting that citizens are being given a steady diet with television programs such as Judge Judy and Judge Brown.

He said he has seen no evidence that shame sentences have any more impact than conventional ones and thought society had "turned back the door" on such primitive sentences in the 18th century.

Turley said very few judges end up being disciplined.


Are we further watering down our justice system by allowing judges pick non-traditional rather arbitrary punishment?

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Edited, Jun 26th 2012 3:21pm by Elinda
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I had thought (and I'll admit error if I'm wrong) that these sorts of punishments are given as an alternative to traditional sentencing. You could refuse to have your hair cut or carry a sign around but you'll be spending 25 days in the county jail. In that case, I'm not really opposed on a gut level since it's voluntary and beats another warm body crammed into an overcrowded prison. But I'm not sure how effective it is either. I suppose crimes like the hair thing (such as it's a crime Smiley: rolleyes) are a one-off without any real chance that the girl will be a serial hair-cutter. Breaking & entering is another matter.
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I had thought (and I'll admit error if I'm wrong) that these sorts of punishments are given as an alternative to traditional sentencing. You could refuse to have your hair cut or carry a sign around but you'll be spending 25 days in the county jail. In that case, I'm not really opposed on a gut level since it's voluntary and beats another warm body crammed into an overcrowded prison. But I'm not sure how effective it is either. I suppose crimes like the hair thing (such as it's a crime Smiley: rolleyes) are a one-off without any real chance that the girl will be a serial hair-cutter. Breaking & entering is another matter.

In the hair-cutting case the judge ordered that the girl have her hair cut. He also ordered that the criminal-girls mother do the cutting, and in fact after the first cut was completed, ordered that she cut it shorter.

In the case of the dog house guy, indeed, he choose the dog house over jail so he could still work.
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Looking at the article, the girl agreed to the hair cutting in lieu of more community service time. The mother of the girl now charges that the judge harassed her into making the choice but that's a separate issue from the overall idea of unorthodox punishments.

Given that putting the girl into jail wasn't the issue here, I would have rather seen her serving the community than getting a haircut as punishment.

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Looking at the article, the girl agreed to the hair cutting in lieu of more community service time. The mother of the girl now charges that the judge harassed her into making the choice but that's a separate issue from the overall idea of unorthodox punishments.
Yeah, I just re-read that.

Regardless, I'm still really unclear why a judge would order someone to have their hair cut in punishment for cutting someone's hair. Though judging from the responses in in my local paper, people were all for it - mostly giving kudos for the judge.


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I suppose for me it boils down to: While I'm not opposed on moral grounds (provided it's an alternative to traditional sentencing), practically I would rather see these people performing some sort of public service than wandering around wearing scarlet letters.
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How are the children getting punished? I thought that when a minor commits a crime, it's the adult who is technically held responsible. Maybe I am misunderstanding.
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Are we further watering down our justice system by allowing judges pick non-traditional rather arbitrary punishment?
I've never really seen or heard of judges just picking random non-traditional punishments so much as giving a choice between traditional and non-traditional. I'm okay with that.
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I think making mom cut her hair was the punishment for mom. I feel like there's a whole lot of sexism going on. We shouldn't be teaching children that the way their hair looks is a crime or punishment.
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Sez you. I think the look of many a kid these days is a crime.

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A 3-year old Utah girl was left in the hands of two older girls that she had just met at a McDonalds. The little girls new friends were 11 and 13.


Wait... what the? Smiley: confused

How is this not a thing while the cutting hair is a thing? Or maybe I'm missing something. It doesn't sound right at least. Smiley: rolleyes

Anyway, I'm not categorically opposed to non-traditional punishment as our current system seems to have it's fair share of issues. There's certainly the potential for abuse, and we should keep our eyes on it, but I'm not going to outright condemn it. It's probably not going to work if it's not voluntary though. The whole cruel and unusual angle opening the state up to liability or something.
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How is this not a thing while the cutting hair is a thing? Or maybe I'm missing something.
Had to pay for the McNuggets somehow, and it'd be awkward if there was a three year old watching.
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What would be the male equivalent? Making them get a mullet?
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What would be the male equivalent? Making them get a mullet?


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That would be cruel and unusual punishment.

Unless they're in Jersey. Then he probably already has a mullet or rat tail.
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Yesterday this story hit my local paper: A 3-year old Utah girl was left in the hands of two older girls that she had just met at a McDonalds. The little girls new friends were 11 and 13. The 13 year old decided to give the 3 year old a new haircut.
Who were the 11 and 13 year old in relation to the 3 year old? You said that she had just met them, but were they the kids of the mother's friend or something like that, or were they strangers to the mother as well? I'd be more concerned about reprimanding the mother or other caregiver if she passed off the responsibility of watching her 3 year old onto two kids she didn't know.

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You have to grow a rat tail. Smiley: nod
I always wanted to grow one as a kid, and every time I look at old pictures I thank my mom for her and my dad not letting me.
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This kind of novelty punishment is sadistic; whatever you might say about the usual system of sanctions, these are clearly aimed at making a mockery of the guilty party. It encourages this attitude in the general populace - though I'm sure the eternal Daily Mail reader that reads about it in their sh*tty newspaper needs little help. More than that, it makes the law into a pantomime and thus strips it of the respect it has acquired. I would be very surprised if this reduces, rather than increases, crime.
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How are the children getting punished? I thought that when a minor commits a crime, it's the adult who is technically held responsible. Maybe I am misunderstanding.



My first thought was, where was the 3-year-old's mom? From the article:

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The older girls had apparently befriended the toddler while playing at a McDonald's, then used a pair of scissors purchased from a nearby dollar store to cut off several inches of her hair. KSL said surveillance video at the McDonald's helped identify the 13-year-old. She was ordered to serve 30 days in detention and to perform 276 hours of community service – which Johansen said he would reduce by 150 hours if the ponytail was cut in his courtroom


I dunno, maybe it was a real fast hair cut; but somehow I don't think mom was as vigilant as she might have been. Whatever, it's hair, it grows back.

Shaming is just theater, as far as I'm concerned. Not as pernicious as DHS's security theater, but not exactly blind justice, either.
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Are we further watering down our justice system by allowing judges pick non-traditional rather arbitrary punishment?

"Watering down?"

I was under the impression that you were one of those arguing that our justice system was far too harsh on (relatively) minor offenses (e.g. marijuana possession), which contributed to prison over-crowding.
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This kind of novelty punishment is sadistic; whatever you might say about the usual system of sanctions, these are clearly aimed at making a mockery of the guilty party. It encourages this attitude in the general populace - though I'm sure the eternal Daily Mail reader that reads about it in their sh*tty newspaper needs little help. More than that, it makes the law into a pantomime and thus strips it of the respect it has acquired. I would be very surprised if this reduces, rather than increases, crime.
This and the fact that the bit with the girls comes way too close to "eye for an eye" style punishment for my liking.
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Are we further watering down our justice system by allowing judges pick non-traditional rather arbitrary punishment?

"Watering down?"

I was under the impression that you were one of those arguing that our justice system was far too harsh on (relatively) minor offenses (e.g. marijuana possession), which contributed to prison over-crowding.

I've never really expressed an opinion about 'harshness' I don't think. By watering down, I guess I was more talking about effectiveness and standardization (which directly impacts equality and fairness).

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This kind of novelty punishment is sadistic; whatever you might say about the usual system of sanctions, these are clearly aimed at making a mockery of the guilty party.
I have no problem with people committing minor offenses being mocked and humiliated.
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This kind of novelty punishment is sadistic; whatever you might say about the usual system of sanctions, these are clearly aimed at making a mockery of the guilty party.
I have no problem with people committing minor offenses being mocked and humiliated.

Do you think it's effective in modifying behavior?

If it does modify behavior is the new behavior more or less acceptable than the old?

As a parent would you use it to change your child's behavior?
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I don't think it's any less effective than putting them in orange vests and picking up trash on the side of the highway or in parks.
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It's less effective at getting the trash picked up. We already have plenty of roadside trash and no need for more goofs with bad haircuts.
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I don't think orange vested highway trash pickup is a sentence handed down by a judge, but just part of the incarceration process.

Also, I've not really checked but I think most psychologists would be in agreement that humiliation does not produce positive behavioral changes.

But mostly what bothers me the most about these weird sentences is it seems like the courts are no place to be playing around with arbitrary and capricious decisions

Maybe we should be bring back stockades (modified for ergonomic correctness of course).

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I don't think orange vested highway trash pickup is a sentence handed down by a judge, but just part of the incarceration process.

Well, community service is a legitimate sentence. My point was that there's plenty of useful things people could do punitively rather than goofy things to get out of the useful stuff.
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As a parent would you use it to change your child's behavior?


The great thing about parenting is that you know your child well and have a better chance of choosing something that will produce good results. I'm not sure how we can relate that to law enforcement though. I mean, a one-size-fits-all approach is certainly attractive for fairness sake. Arguably it isn't going to get consistent results though, as people are going to react differently to the same punishment. So to what degree do you allow a judge to recognize that the traditional tools may not work in a situation, and offer up a novel punishment?
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But mostly what bothers me the most about these weird sentences is it seems like the courts are no place to be playing around with arbitrary and capricious decisions
So what punishment for simple assault by a minor would be appropriate in your eyes? A shake of the finger and a "don't do it again" speech?
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Most studies show that negative reinforcement of behavior is much less efficient in correcting behavior than positive reinforcement, but of course our penal system is based on negative reinforcement.
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But mostly what bothers me the most about these weird sentences is it seems like the courts are no place to be playing around with arbitrary and capricious decisions
So what punishment for simple assault by a minor would be appropriate in your eyes? A shake of the finger and a "don't do it again" speech?

Well first of all I wouldn't put a hair-cut into the assault category. Second, as other's mentioned, if I was a judge and this case came before me, I'd be thinking of punishing the mother of the three year old for neglect. I'm not sure, even as a judge if I would consider a hair-cut in this instance a crime. I wonder if the three year old gave her consent?

To answer your question though, simple assault by a minor is often punished with community service, a fine, suspension of a license if a vehicle is involved. Heck, take her cell phone away for a week and she'd probably be as docile as a bunny after that.
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So to what degree do you allow a judge to recognize that the traditional tools may not work in a situation, and offer up a novel punishment?

When they're willing to offer up the same or equally as novel punishments to everyone committing equally abhorrent crimes.

Edit to add that it would also seem to serve society better if the judges doling out these novel punishments had some idea what the behavioral outcome might be.






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Well first of all I wouldn't put a hair-cut into the assault category.
Bullying, which this was, is considered simple assault.
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Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
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To answer your question though, simple assault by a minor is often punished with community service, a fine, suspension of a license if a vehicle is involved.
She got the community service, a fine wouldn't be a punishment for her since I'm going to go ahead and guess she probably isn't a professional hair stylist and doesn't have her own income, and there was no vehicle involved. And taking her cell phone away seems as arbitrary and capricious a punishment as her hair getting cut.
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Well first of all I wouldn't put a hair-cut into the assault category.
Bullying, which this was, is considered simple assault.
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I wonder if the three year old gave her consent?
Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
No I'm not. I don't think cutting hair is simple assault. I don't think it's bullying. I think it she did it because cutting hair/doing nails/shaving legs/piercing ears is what 13 year-olds are really into. Add to that the fact that she 'could' do as the mother didn't seem willing to interfere and wallah it's a hair stylist in the making.

Do you think that the 13 year old was trying to intimidate or belittle the 3 year old by giving her a hair cut?

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Edit to add that it would also seem to serve society better if the judges doling out these novel punishments had some idea what the behavioral outcome might be.


And that where there's a bit of mystery. I suppose one would like to assume that a judge providing a novel punishment has some idea of the consequences, or has good reason to believe that the particular situation warrants this novel punishment, for whatever reason. You know, something beyond feeling overly bored, frustrated or sadistic that day.

In this case, it just seems odd overall. I mean I can see a judge rolling their eyes because given all the problems in the city they have to take time to hear a case about some borderline neglectful parent who goes tries to press charges on a couple of misbehaving teenagers she let watch her daughter. I don't know, as silly as the case is, it does make me wonder how you actually rule in such a case. I mean, it's not like you can turn away if the law says a crime was committed. At the same time it a little bit of a odd situation to begin with.

It's almost something you'd think would it thrown out if at all possible, but if you have to rule on it, what punishment is really appropriate in this case?

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Well first of all I wouldn't put a hair-cut into the assault category.
Bullying, which this was, is considered simple assault.
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I wonder if the three year old gave her consent?
Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
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To answer your question though, simple assault by a minor is often punished with community service, a fine, suspension of a license if a vehicle is involved.
She got the community service, a fine wouldn't be a punishment for her since I'm going to go ahead and guess she probably isn't a professional hair stylist and doesn't have her own income, and there was no vehicle involved. And taking her cell phone away seems as arbitrary and capricious a punishment as her hair getting cut.
I was speaking more generally about punishment for minor infractions.

Since the judge had already made a sentence of community service, what might have prompted him to throw in the bit about the hair cut?
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what might have prompted him to throw in the bit about the hair cut?
I know I'm smarter than most of the people here, and it's intimidating, but I'm not psychic. At least not at that kind of distance. Who knows? Maybe there are a lot of people in queue for community service and there isn't much space for a thirteen year old girl? Maybe he wanted to reduce her interaction with people with drug problems and other community service applicable reasons? Maybe he's secretly gay and hates women with long hair? Maybe he wanted to show her that there are people who are bigger than her in the world and she can't just do whatever she felt like? Maybe he's an alien and it's easier to attach mind probes on people with shorter hair? Maybe the three year old cried about the hair cut and the judge wanted the thirteen year old to do the same thing? Maybe he's a pedophile and just really likes short hair? Oh, maybe it's going to be really hot and he felt she'd be more comfortable with short hair?

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Warm fuzzies! I think the concept of probation is as close as it gets, the idea that if you admit your boo-boo and don't screw up again, you get 'forgiven'.
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what might have prompted him to throw in the bit about the hair cut?
I know I'm smarter than most of the people here, and it's intimidating, but I'm not psychic. At least not at that kind of distance. Who knows? Maybe there are a lot of people in queue for community service and there isn't much space for a thirteen year old girl? Maybe he wanted to reduce her interaction with people with drug problems and other community service applicable reasons? Maybe he's secretly gay and hates women with long hair? Maybe he wanted to show her that there are people who are bigger than her in the world and she can't just do whatever she felt like? Maybe he's an alien and it's easier to attach mind probes on people with shorter hair? Maybe the three year old cried about the hair cut and the judge wanted the thirteen year old to do the same thing? Maybe he's a pedophile and just really likes short hair? Oh, maybe it's going to be really hot and he felt she'd be more comfortable with short hair?
Yeah, it could have been any one of those. It clearly wasn't because it was SOP or because it's proven to be effective punishment in the deterrence of serial hair-cutters. It didn't give anything back to the community (unless they turned over the hair to Locks for Love in which case I might have been able to get behind the decision). It probably didn't give the 3 year old crime victim much satisfaction - though the toddlers mother seemed over-pleased with the sentence.

So one could conclude that the judge arbitrarily gave out a random punishment. That's a problem for me.
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That's a problem for me.
You didn't seem to have any problem arbitrarily taking away the girl's cell phone.
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That's a problem for me.
You didn't seem to have any problem arbitrarily taking away the girl's cell phone.

I wasn't talking about this particular case - as I've already mentioned.

You're running out of stuff to argue with me about and I still got an hour and a half of work left.
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I think the thirteen year old girl that was able to give a three year old a haircut should get a medal. Seriously, have any of you ever tried to give a toddler a haircut? It's like you're dismembering them.
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I think the thirteen year old girl that was able to give a three year old a haircut should get a medal. Seriously, have any of you ever tried to give a toddler a haircut? It's like you're dismembering them.


This reminds me of a story my barber told us when I was taking my son for his first haircut. He told us to make sure one of us was holding his hands at all times. He said that the day before he was giving a little boy his first haircut, and the kid decided to reach up and grab the scissors. Poor kid had to be taken to the hospital for stitches because they couldn't get his hand to stop bleeding.

Thanksfully, my son survived that first haircut with all of his limbs intact and now, at 3, he actually likes getting his haircut.
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#46 Jun 27 2012 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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Are we further watering down our justice system by allowing judges pick non-traditional rather arbitrary punishment?

"Watering down?"

I was under the impression that you were one of those arguing that our justice system was far too harsh on (relatively) minor offenses (e.g. marijuana possession), which contributed to prison over-crowding.

I've never really expressed an opinion about 'harshness' I don't think. By watering down, I guess I was more talking about effectiveness and standardization (which directly impacts equality and fairness).


Mandatory minimum sentencing for haircut violations!

We could even have a sliding scale, from "Beatles-esque fop" all the way up to "faux-hawk".
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#47 Jun 27 2012 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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I wonder if the three year old gave her consent?
Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
No I'm not.

My thought on why that's a terrible statement:
"Hey little girl, want some candy?"
We don't need to be giving the peddlebares any ideas for excuses.
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BonYogi wrote:
Elinda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
I wonder if the three year old gave her consent?
Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
No I'm not.

My thought on why that's a terrible statement:
"Hey little girl, want some candy?"
We don't need to be giving the peddlebares any ideas for excuses.


Bzzt. The correct response is, "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes."

We would also have accepted, "Yes, you are."


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In Iran, where Sharia law applies, a guy threw acid in a woman's face. He asked her to marry him, she refused, and later he tossed the acid in her face. Anyway, this time the law was on the woman's side. Her face was melted and she was blinded for life. In a direct "eye for an eye" sentence, the judge sentenced the man to be strapped down in hospital, sedated unconscious, and enough drops of acid be carefully dropped in each eye to blind him for life. By the woman he blinded. The judge also ordered the man pay her compensation money. The woman refused to take compensation money from him, but agreed to be guided to drop the acid in his eyes with her own hand, as she wanted him to directly experience what she had to live with so he understood what he had done to her, and in hopes that the increasing number of acid attacks on women would stop. Human rights organisations world wide protested the sentence and asked that it be commuted.

An article.

Edited, Jun 28th 2012 4:29am by Aripyanfar
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Aripyanfar wrote:
In Iran, where Sharia law applies, a guy threw acid in a woman's face. He asked her to marry him, she refused, and later he tossed the acid in her face. Anyway, this time the law was on the woman's side. Her face was melted and she was blinded for life. In a direct "eye for an eye" sentence, the judge sentenced the man to be strapped down in hospital, sedated unconscious, and enough drops of acid be carefully dropped in each eye to blind him for life. By the woman he blinded. The judge also ordered the man pay her compensation money. The woman refused to take compensation money from him, but agreed to be guided to drop the acid in his eyes with her own hand, as she wanted him to directly experience what she had to live with so he understood what he had done to her, and in hopes that the increasing number of acid attacks on women would stop. Human rights organisations world wide protested the sentence and asked that it be commuted.

An article.

Edited, Jun 28th 2012 4:29am by Aripyanfar

I remember reading about this.

How tragic to ever have to have that kind of desire; To want or need to cause someone so much pain.
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I wasn't talking about this particular case - as I've already mentioned.
Just pointing out that you seem okay with arbitrary punishments, maybe not this specific one.
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