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#1 Jun 20 2012 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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Has anyone here read this? My mother, god help me, texted me yesterday that she was reading it. She said it is "sooo **** and erotic." I asked her, "but is the plot any good? Or is it just ***?" Her reply was that the plot WAS ***. So is this just poplular erotica or what? I will admit that I picked it up at the grocery store last night because, come on, who doesn't need a little erotica every now and then, eh?

I have long held the belief that erotica books are like **** for women. I am amazed at the people on my FaceBook friends list who have admitted to reading and enjoying this because I come from such a bible thumping town. I'm sure some of these same women would be incredibly ****** if their husbands expressed any interest in watching ****, and that seems incredibly hypocritical to me. What's the difference between getting all turned on from reading about *** in a book or watching people get it on in a movie?

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Someone linked an article on Facebook the other day that basically said its Twilight with BDSM. Have fun with all that.
#3 Jun 20 2012 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
I haven't read it, but being in the BDSM community I have heard a lot about it. Complaints I've heard is that it just perpetuates stereotypes about us, that the only reason we enjoy those activities is because we were abused as children. While there certainly is a correlation between people who were abused as children later growing up to enjoy BDSM activities, it's not something that's true across the board. Especially if you don't consider spankings or the occasional slap in the face child abuse. Which I don't.

As per your question, that's a very good point. I wonder what the psychology behind that is?
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Someone linked an article on Facebook the other day that basically said its Twilight with BDSM. Have fun with all that.


It started as Twilight fan fic. I can see the similarities, in what I skimmed through. I will be honest, I did not purchase this with the expectation that I would be awed by the plot twists, character development and writing skill.
#5 Jun 20 2012 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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As per your question, that's a very good point. I wonder what the psychology behind that is?


I can only assume that it's because these women don't like the idea of their man seeing another naked chick. Which is just silly to me in this context.
#6 Jun 20 2012 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
Yup. They're imagining naked people having **** times. There's not much of a difference there. One could even argue that using your imagination is more sinful, since it requires more effort than simply watching something.
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I have long held the belief that erotica books are like **** for women. I am amazed at the people on my FaceBook friends list who have admitted to reading and enjoying this because I come from such a bible thumping town. I'm sure some of these same women would be incredibly ****** if their husbands expressed any interest in watching ****, and that seems incredibly hypocritical to me. What's the difference between getting all turned on from reading about *** in a book or watching people get it on in a movie?


What I don't get about it (and what sort of weirds me out), is that people don't read these books at home, or in private. On a crowded subway or PATH car, I have a bad habit of checking out what people are reading around me. If I can't see the cover, but can see the part they're reading, sometimes I'll skim a few lines.

On 2-3 occasions now, the book in question has been 50 shades of gray (or one of the sequels, I suppose), and the portion that I happen to skim is hardcore erotica. It's a rather uncomfortable surprise.

Some 40-60 year old woman will just be sitting there, reading the book on their commute. I don't get the motivation, myself. Why read something that is, ostensibly, ****, when there's...err....nothing that can come of it, so to speak? And how can someone do it in public, esp. in a subway car where you're crammed in like sardines?

I feel like I'm jammed up against someone who's in the process of mental ************* As if subway rides weren't uncomfortable enough! Smiley: um

Edited, Jun 20th 2012 3:04pm by Eske
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Belkira wrote:
It started as Twilight fan fic.
I'd say that was reason enough to dismiss it immediately.
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I will be honest, I did not purchase
Wait, they charged for this or did I miss a step?
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#9 Jun 20 2012 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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I do the same thing, Eske, if I see someone reading. I want to know what they're reading. If the book itself was more than just ***, I wouldn't mind reading it in public. I read Coldheart Canyon by Clive Barker at lunch in public places and a few times I glanced around to see if anyone knew what I was reading, but there is no secret what this book is about. I can understand discomfort Ina subway or something, but the book itself doesn't have pictures or anything. You can only blame yourself for being nosy in that case. Smiley: lol

Yes, lolgaxe, you have to buy the book. And there are already two more after this one.

Edit: I seriously hate posting on my phone.

Edited, Jun 20th 2012 2:14pm by Belkira
#10 Jun 20 2012 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Read it, didn't see what the big deal was, kind of a stupid female heroine. REALLY stupid dialogue. Will probably be a huge hit.
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#11 Jun 20 2012 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira wrote:
I can understand discomfort Ina subway or something, but the book itself doesn't have pictures or anything. You can only blame yourself for being nosy in that case. Smiley: lol


Preface: I'm really just stirring the pot here.

Is it so different? The text in the books seems to be fairly large. In at least one of the cases, the person was right in front of me, and all it took was a casual glance to catch a hardcore pornographic sentence. Kids are pretty curious; it'd be a trivial matter for one to read a few lines from the book of someone sitting around them.

I realize that it's definitely harder to notice this stuff with text rather than images/video, but is that the proper place to draw the line?

Edited, Jun 20th 2012 3:28pm by Eske
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Must have been about a month ago I went to buy it, but for whatever reason Barnes and Noble pulled it from their shelves - including the nook book.

I just checked and they have it now. I might just have to get it.
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#13 Jun 20 2012 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
What I don't get about it (and what sort of weirds me out), is that people don't read these books at home, or in private. On a crowded subway or PATH car, I have a bad habit of checking out what people are reading around me. If I can't see the cover, but can see the part they're reading, sometimes I'll skim a few lines.

On 2-3 occasions now, the book in question has been 50 shades of gray (or one of the sequels, I suppose), and the portion that I happen to skim is hardcore erotica. It's a rather uncomfortable surprise.

Some 40-60 year old woman will just be sitting there, reading the book on their commute. I don't get the motivation, myself. Why read something that is, ostensibly, ****, when there's...err....nothing that can come of it, so to speak? And how can someone do it in public, esp. in a subway car where you're crammed in like sardines?

I feel like I'm jammed up against someone who's in the process of mental ************* As if subway rides weren't uncomfortable enough! Smiley: um

Simple solution: stop. A little more difficult- get over the stupid idea that older women don't have *** and **********.
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#14 Jun 20 2012 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think it's impolite to read over someone's shoulder, and I think people are less likely to do it. I also don't think kids are usually curious to read whats in a book that a stranger is reading unless it has pictures. Maybe that's just me, though.

Does anyone else consider it rude to try to read snippets of a book that the stranger next to them is reading? I don't even remember when I picked that up...
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Belkira wrote:
Does anyone else consider it rude to try to read snippets of a book that the stranger next to them is reading? I don't even remember when I picked that up...
I've done it here and there, but only when I can't see the cover. I'm not actually trying to read over their shoulder, just ascertain what book they're reading.
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Belkira wrote:

I have long held the belief that erotica books are like **** for women. I am amazed at the people on my FaceBook friends list who have admitted to reading and enjoying this because I come from such a bible thumping town.
I've downloaded (and read) three Naughty Nooners on my e-reader. They're free or $0.99 and only take about 10-15 minutes to read.

A gentleman co-worker came in to work one day excited to show me his new Nook he'd just gotten. We Nook friended each other to be able to share books. Right there in my office he starts scrolling through all the my share-able content. He came to those little erotica books and he laughed and laughed while I blushed and blushed.
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Never read them, never will; Twilight was bad enough, and Twilight fanfiction? Eh, if I want Mormon-vampire BDSM, I'm sure I can rule 34 it. What makes me raise an eyebrow is how I keep hearing how there's a 50 Shades of Grey baby boom waiting to happen. For those who read romance novels (is that the proper term? Is it harlequin novels? Erotica?); is it a solitary activity, or do you get a desire to jump your partner right after? It doesn't make much logical sense, but it's weird to think that while I'm with a girl, she's imagining a sparkly 118-year old vampire tying her up. Hence why I try not to date Twilight fan girls, nor would I be much interested in a 50-shades enthusiast.
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Belkira wrote:
Does anyone else consider it rude to try to read snippets of a book that the stranger next to them is reading? I don't even remember when I picked that up...
I've done it here and there, but only when I can't see the cover. I'm not actually trying to read over their shoulder, just ascertain what book they're reading.


Oh, I do it all the time. I still think its rude. Smiley: lol

I also have only myself to blame if they happen to be reading a particularly filthy part of the book and I get embarrassed. Smiley: wink
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Some 40-60 year old woman will just be sitting there, reading the book on their commute. I don't get the motivation, myself. Why read something that is, ostensibly, ****, when there's...err....nothing that can come of it, so to speak? And how can someone do it in public, esp. in a subway car where you're crammed in like sardines?

I feel like I'm jammed up against someone who's in the process of mental ************* As if subway rides weren't uncomfortable enough!

Simple solution: stop. A little more difficult- get over the stupid idea that older women don't have *** and **********.


ITT: Flea defends ************ in subways. Bring out the long trench coats!
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Never read them, never will; Twilight was bad enough, and Twilight fanfiction? Eh, if I want Mormon-vampire BDSM, I'm sure I can rule 34 it. What makes me raise an eyebrow is how I keep hearing how there's a 50 Shades of Grey baby boom waiting to happen. For those who read romance novels (is that the proper term? Is it harlequin novels? Erotica?); is it a solitary activity, or do you get a desire to jump your partner right after? It doesn't make much logical sense, but it's weird to think that while I'm with a girl, she's imagining a sparkly 118-year old vampire tying her up. Hence why I try not to date Twilight fan girls, nor would I be much interested in a 50-shades enthusiast.



It isn't fan fiction. There are no sparkly vampires (that I am aware of. Maybe Flea can clarify that) hat was just how the author came (no pun intended) to start writing the books. The books themselves don't actually have anything to do with the Twilight books, I don't think.
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From what I've read and heard about it, it's Twilight fanfiction with the names changed, the poor writing you'd expect from such thing, bad stereotypes about BDSM and a romanticized abusive relationship.

I'd say have fun but I can't imagine doing anything other than cringing while reading that.

EDIT: Belkira, the book started as Twilight fanfiction, the author was writing it and when it got all popular on some fanfic site she changed the names of the characters, finished it and made a book out of it so yeah, it is really Twilight fanfiction.

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ITT: Flea defends ************ in subways. Bring out the long trench coats!
I am actually against ************ in subways, on account of all the HIV. Those poor women's ***** will probably fall off at some point. Smiley: frown
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Simple solution: stop. A little more difficult- get over the stupid idea that older women don't have *** and **********.


Perhaps I didn't make this clear, but you're drastically overestimating my level of discomfort with this. I only mention it for the interest of conversation, not because I'm really upset about anything.

Regarding the second portion, specifically: I only mentioned the ages of folks on the odd chance that this was something specific to that demographic, not because I have any specific problem with them being sexual, just so's ya know. So settle your *** down.

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Does anyone else consider it rude to try to read snippets of a book that the stranger next to them is reading? I don't even remember when I picked that up...


I do think it's a tiny bit rude, insofar as it'll make someone uncomfortable that you're fixated on them or something that they're doing. About as rude as staring, I guess? Much more so if they're reading something personal, like business stuff, emails, or the like, though. I find I can't quite help myself, personally...curiosity can be a hard thing to get a hold of sometimes. For my part, I'll usually catch myself doing it and pull myself away after a few seconds of it.

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A gentleman co-worker came in to work one day excited to show me his new Nook he'd just gotten. We Nook friended each other to be able to share books. Right there in my office he starts scrolling through all the my share-able content. He came to those little erotica books and he laughed and laughed while I blushed and blushed.


This exact same situation occurred with me and our secretary. She knew I had been looking at the Kindle Fire, so she gave me hers to check out. One long scroll to the right, and I went past about 20 romance novels. She scolded me to scroll back away from her "naughty books". Smiley: lol

Edited, Jun 20th 2012 3:55pm by Eske
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From what I've read and heard about it, it's Twilight fanfiction with the names changed, the poor writing you'd expect from such thing, bad stereotypes about BDSM and a romanticized abusive relationship.

I'd say have fun but I can't imagine doing anything other than cringing while reading that.

EDIT: Belkira, the book started as Twilight fanfiction, the author was writing it and when it got all popular on some fanfic site she changed the names of the characters, finished it and made a book out of it so yeah, it is really Twilight fanfiction.

Edited, Jun 20th 2012 9:50pm by Aethien


Hm. Well, as I said, I had only skimmed the first hundre or so pages. I didn't think there were actually sparkly vampires. I guess I was wrong.
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Never read them, never will; Twilight was bad enough, and Twilight fanfiction? Eh, if I want Mormon-vampire BDSM, I'm sure I can rule 34 it. What makes me raise an eyebrow is how I keep hearing how there's a 50 Shades of Grey baby boom waiting to happen. For those who read romance novels (is that the proper term? Is it harlequin novels? Erotica?); is it a solitary activity, or do you get a desire to jump your partner right after? It doesn't make much logical sense, but it's weird to think that while I'm with a girl, she's imagining a sparkly 118-year old vampire tying her up. Hence why I try not to date Twilight fan girls, nor would I be much interested in a 50-shades enthusiast.


It depends. If I am reading a **** book (though I prefer ones that are actually a good read like the Kushiel series), I might get riled up and then want to jump someone, I might not. Depends on my mood going into it, and how well the writing is done. I know that my "other" boyfriend gets excited when he catches his primary reading a romance novel, because he knows that's how she gets her crank turning and happy fun times are sure to follow.
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Perhaps I didn't make this clear, but you're drastically overestimating my level of discomfort with this.
Sure. You've obviously spent no time at all dwelling on it. Rock on.
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