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#27 Jun 20 2012 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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Multi question polling is on the list for implementation someday. And I would prefer not to see 30 threads as that would be just a leeetle spammy.
How about in one's journal, with a single master thread elsewhere linking to all the questions?
#28 Jun 20 2012 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good
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I did this, but I have to say I did not like the last question. It felt leading by implying that books are not as much fun as television or video games, which I have to disagree with. Worst thing for a book would be any sort of spoken dialogue (which is why I hate voice acting in video games. I get more out of it when I can pace it myself instead of reading faster than somebody can talk)


I do agree with you about that last question. As for your second part I respectfully disagree, as do many authors. Audiobooks are great becuase you can be doing menial tasks while listening, or if you really want to get into the scene close your eyes and let your brain go to town imagining everything. I've listened to the Harry Potter books 3 times, read them twice. I also have Enderverse (Enders Games series and Ender's Shadow series) and one of them had Orson Scott Card do the intro where he stated he felt like audiobooks were better.

Now I don't disagree with you about bad VA, but when VA is done right (again Harry Potter series, i swear they got Hagrid from the movies to do the books) it's great, but I have listened to a few series where I liked no voice acting, just plain reading too.
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#29 Jun 20 2012 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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Make Love! The Bruce Campbell Way's audio book is hilariously well done. I really can't see myself rereading the book anymore simply because of the quality.
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Yeah, the draw of books vs TV is really the lack of visual stimuli, you can create the images in your mind without the restrictions of some directors view of how the story should look, it also allows you to peer into the minds of the characters because the pace doesn't have to be real-time so narration of a character's thoughts isn't a showstopper. Audiobooks are sort of a happy medium. Done well they provide most of the benefits of a book without the drawback of having to stare at the page. Good for the gym.
#31 Jun 20 2012 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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I do agree with you about that last question. As for your second part I respectfully disagree, as do many authors. Audiobooks are great becuase you can be doing menial tasks while listening, or if you really want to get into the scene close your eyes and let your brain go to town imagining everything. I've listened to the Harry Potter books 3 times, read them twice. I also have Enderverse (Enders Games series and Ender's Shadow series) and one of them had Orson Scott Card do the intro where he stated he felt like audiobooks were better.

Now I don't disagree with you about bad VA, but when VA is done right (again Harry Potter series, i swear they got Hagrid from the movies to do the books) it's great, but I have listened to a few series where I liked no voice acting, just plain reading too.
About the only time I've used audio books is when driving on long trips alone. Even then, it seems like I have to work to stay connected to the story. It's probably a learned thing, but my mind seems much more able to block out the rest of the world as soon as my eyes land on the written words of a story.

I like to listen to Selected Shorts on the radio when I run into it. My local public radio station seems to move the time slot around frequently. They typically get some good narrators though.








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#32 Jun 20 2012 at 8:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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For me, my dislike of audiobooks stems from the fact that I can read so much faster than anyone else can speak. The same book will take me an hour to read as it would someone two or three hours to say aloud.
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#33 Jun 20 2012 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, connection can be an issue with audiobooks, it just depends on what you're doing while listening to them. Driving would certainly not be a task I'd enjoy an audiobook while doing.

I read much faster than people speak if it's for the purposes of gaining knowledge (emails at work, for example) but for leisure I like to think about what I'm reading and imagine things so I tend to slow down to slightly above speaking pace (I'm in no hurry when I'm relaxing, probably why I like fishing). That would be a problem for some people though.
#34 Jun 20 2012 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, intelligence is a combination of genetics and early development. Your level of intelligence is pretty much set by the time you're 5 or 6 years old along with your base personality. You can and do refine decision processes after that point but you're generally not going to fundamentally change how intelligent you are once your brain stops making new pathways. I expect being intelligent makes you more likely to enjoy reading but reading does not make you more intelligent. That's not to say reading isn't important, reading gives you the tools you need to demonstrate and apply your intelligence and is absolutely necessary in modern society. What good is intelligence if you have no information to process?

Reading is a byproduct of intelligence, not a cause.

I suspect it's more of a feedback loop, really. Probably with some sort of phenotypal ceiling approached in a horizontal exponential asymptote like way.
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#35 Jun 20 2012 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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I watched most of Frontline's Digital Nation series last night. It was pretty interesting. There are just starting to be studies done to track those brain connections and pathways that may be created by excessive multi-tasking and constant bombardment from multiple digital media.

Universities particularly seem worried about the need for instant gratification and lack of focus of the latest batch of academics.

There's a whole bunch of multi-media stuff to mess around with at Frontlines website (in case you need a distraction).





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#36 Jun 20 2012 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, intelligence is a combination of genetics and early development. Your level of intelligence is pretty much set by the time you're 5 or 6 years old along with your base personality. You can and do refine decision processes after that point but you're generally not going to fundamentally change how intelligent you are once your brain stops making new pathways. I expect being intelligent makes you more likely to enjoy reading but reading does not make you more intelligent. That's not to say reading isn't important, reading gives you the tools you need to demonstrate and apply your intelligence and is absolutely necessary in modern society. What good is intelligence if you have no information to process?

Reading is a byproduct of intelligence, not a cause.


Do you have a source for that? I don't buy it. While people's personality and level of intelligence do not often change, with the right stimulus and effort, they certainly can. And just for the record, we don't ever stop making new pathways. Y'know how we used to get told that we're born with a specific amount of brain cells and once you reach a certain age and you stop developing you never make more? Science has recently discovered that that isn't true.
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#37 Jun 20 2012 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
The last question was supposed to be targeted at the people who don't like to read. Typically, people who don't enjoy reading still enjoy watching tv or playing video games, so I was wondering what it is about these two activities that non-readers prefer over reading.
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Do you have a source for that? I don't buy it. While people's personality and level of intelligence do not often change, with the right stimulus and effort, they certainly can. And just for the record, we don't ever stop making new pathways. Y'know how we used to get told that we're born with a specific amount of brain cells and once you reach a certain age and you stop developing you never make more? Science has recently discovered that that isn't true.


It's probably not something that you'll find a single source for easily. You can find it quoted in just about every product marketed to parents with young kids though. Smiley: rolleyes

I doubt you'll find many people arguing that there's no mental development after age 5, just simply that a lot of the development takes place in the first few years of life, and it grows increasingly difficult to make fundamental changes to a child's mental capacity as time progresses.
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I doubt you'll find many people arguing that there's no mental development after age 5,
I bet you'll find many people being examples of there not being mental development after age 5, though.
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#40 Jun 20 2012 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
Well yeah, I'm not saying that it's easy and that anyone can do it, but I don't buy that it isn't possible. I've seen interviews of kids who had absolutely zero interest in school or reading before they came across a certain teacher who changed their minds. Now granted, I know that's not the same thing as intelligence, but I do think it's along the same lines.
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So I guess the question would be whether they were dumb before and got made smarter, or if they were just choosing not to display their intelligence, or maybe didn't quite know how to wield it properly?
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I doubt you'll find many people arguing that there's no mental development after age 5, just simply that a lot of the development takes place in the first few years of life, and it grows increasingly difficult to make fundamental changes to a child's mental capacity as time progresses.


This, hence the "pretty much" in my statement. There is certainly development throughout your life, but you generally won't see fundamental changes past the preschool ages. Changes in behavior and interest are much more common, they happen all the time. People who suddenly decide to apply themselves because of a good teacher and become the smartest people in their class were always intelligent, they just didn't show it.
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So I guess the question would be whether they were dumb before and got made smarter, or if they were just choosing not to display their intelligence, or maybe didn't quite know how to wield it properly?



This is exactly what I was getting at. You say it much better than I :).
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Reading too much was my educational downfall. I became obsessed with Stephen King (we had to read and report on SK as freshmen) then fancied myself as the Trashcan Man and tried to blow up my school. They didn't really want me back after I got out of jail.
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Reading is perhaps the greatist gift one can teach someone. I've always loved reading and still do. I have a bookcase full of books.
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Reading too much was my educational downfall. I became obsessed with Stephen King (we had to read and report on SK as freshmen) then fancied myself as the Trashcan Man and tried to blow up my school. They didn't really want me back after I got out of jail.

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Reading too much was my educational downfall. I became obsessed with Stephen King (we had to read and report on SK as freshmen) then fancied myself as the Trashcan Man and tried to blow up my school. They didn't really want me back after I got out of jail.

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Yes, clearly READING was the problem, there.
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Reading too much was my educational downfall. I became obsessed with Stephen King (we had to read and report on SK as freshmen) then fancied myself as the Trashcan Man and tried to blow up my school. They didn't really want me back after I got out of jail.

True story?
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What, I never mentioned that here?
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