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#1 Jun 19 2012 at 12:55 AM Rating: Excellent
So, I know these things usually get posted in the OoT forum, but it seems like we get more traffic here. I'm writing a paper for my Theories of Literacy class on reading for pleasure, and the impact it has on educational performance and life success. The purpose of the survey is to get some information on educational background and whether people like to read, and what is it about reading people enjoy. If they don't enjoy it, why not and what can be done to change this? So if you guys wouldn't mind filling out the survey, I'd be most appreciative. And feel free to derail the thread into a more interesting debate about education or something.

For example, one thing I learned while doing research for the paper, is that reading for pleasure has a very direct and positive impact on academic success. Apparently, if you look at a student of color from a low economic background who enjoys reading, they perform about as well as a rich white kid who doesn't like to read. I find that fascinating.

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So approved that you posted it twice.
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For example, one thing I learned while doing research for the paper, is that reading for pleasure has a very direct and positive impact on academic success. Apparently, if you look at a student of color from a low economic background who enjoys reading, they perform about as well as a rich white kid who doesn't like to read. I find that fascinating.
Honestly, I've always assumed that there would be a correlation there. Can we really assume that it's the cause rather than an additional effect of some third factor, though?
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I couldn't figure out the first question. Smiley: confused
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I'm more interested in finding out what got approved and why it needed approval in the first place.
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Needs a "some graduate school" option. Smiley: bah

I used to read a lot more when I was a little kid. It's not just the Internet and video games that took away my reading time; I also spend a lot more of my free time writing. (And graduate school. Can't forget graduate school. I had to read six chapters of IT project management in two days over the weekend...)
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I'm more interested in finding out what got approved and why it needed approval in the first place.


A while back a new forum rule was implemented that required all new "survey" type posts to obtain admin approval or risk being nuked/banned. Not sure why a long term poster would require such approval, but anyway...
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A while back a new forum rule was implemented that required all new "survey" type posts to obtain admin approval or risk being nuked/banned. Not sure why a long term poster would require such approval, but anyway...
The obvious answer would be that even long-term posters fall under the banner "all".

Hm. I wonder who pissed who off there.
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It think you may have it backwards. Reading doesn't inherently make you more successful or encourage you to stay in school longer. People who stay in school might do so simply because they don't mind reading the course material or engaging their minds as much as others. Reading requires thinking which is a type of work, people who are good at thinking tend to not mind the "work" involved in reading and get more enjoyment out of the stories. It just so happens that people who are good at thinking also tend to end up better educated and more successful than those that don't. Always exceptions of course but I think if you take a group of readers and a group of non-readers the readers, on average, are probably more interested in expanding their knowledge than the non-readers.
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I wonder who pissed who off there.
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Atomicflea wrote:
I'm more interested in finding out what got approved and why it needed approval in the first place.


A while back a new forum rule was implemented that required all new "survey" type posts to obtain admin approval or risk being nuked/banned. Not sure why a long term poster would require such approval, but anyway...


I wasn't sure if I needed to get approval or not, and I figured it was best to err on the side of caution.

I absolutely agree that people who read do better academically, but I think the fact that they enjoy reading is a big cause of that. Intelligence is only genetic to a certain extent. I think it's much more impacted by nurture rather than nature. We don't really know for sure how it works, but most of the "experts" seem to agree that it isn't 100% genetic. Your environment has a huge impact on how well you succeed. If you have parents or some other role model that teaches you how important an education is, and how important reading is, you're going to do a lot better academically than otherwise.
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Well, intelligence is a combination of genetics and early development. Your level of intelligence is pretty much set by the time you're 5 or 6 years old along with your base personality. You can and do refine decision processes after that point but you're generally not going to fundamentally change how intelligent you are once your brain stops making new pathways. I expect being intelligent makes you more likely to enjoy reading but reading does not make you more intelligent. That's not to say reading isn't important, reading gives you the tools you need to demonstrate and apply your intelligence and is absolutely necessary in modern society. What good is intelligence if you have no information to process?

Reading is a byproduct of intelligence, not a cause.
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Hm. I wonder who pissed who off there.

No one person pissed off anyone. But the forums would (and still regularly do) get hit with fly-by posters saying "I need your opinions for my university thesis on whether or not MMORPGs turn users into psychotic rage-monkeys or whether it just makes them catatonic shut-ins"

So the Powers That Be implemented a blanket rule that anyone asking for survey help needed approval first or else it was an auto-nuke from the admins.
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There you go Pigtails. Also there was something at the end saying the creator of that survey would reimburse me for my time. So... whatcha up to later? Smiley: sly
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I couldn't figure out the first question. Smiley: confused

Ok, I chose the 41-50 age category rather than the 50 and over (I'm 50). Once I was ok with that answer the rest of the survey was a breeze.
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I wonder who pissed who off there.
I blame Denver.
I'm going there in a couple weeks. If I get a kickstarter going for a fund to get a giant boot to use for kicking that one professor, would you all chip in?
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If someone posts a survey internally on the forum itself using the forum poll software, it's automatically allowed. If someone wants to post a link to an external survey, which likely records IP addresses amongst the other data it asks, we wnat to have some oversight. That, and right around midterms and finals times we get hit with a lot of these, of which we only approve a fraction. Many are poorly done repetitions of surveys we have already seen here. some are flat out repeats. others are blatant attempts to harvest character names and enough personal data to attempt to steal accounts. And a large subset of them are biased "gaming addiction" surveys that are usually rather offensivly worded attempts to get people to support the survey posters revoilutionary theory that all gamers are addicted ne'r do wells with major psychological issues. The worst of those generally get forcefully culled.

Long time posters in theory get automatically approved, but since they are generating datasets of our posters which could theoretically contain enough information to assist an attack, I like to be careful and check them over. Especially in the gaming forums, you have people who you know from their posts likely have accounts that would go for high value if sold for money, their IP address, often time specific character names to target, real names, locations, approximate ages, etc. Now take those and extract known data and combine it with a list of most likely passwords, and you get maybe a 1 in 100 account hit.It's a problem, though one that we haven't really encountered to a large degree yet. There have been definite attempts though, which was one of the main reasons for the rule implementation. That and some of the forum sections were getting hit with 10-20 of these per week.
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If someone posts a survey internally on the forum itself using the forum poll software, it's automatically allowed. If someone wants to post a link to an external survey, which likely records IP addresses amongst the other data it asks, we wnat to have some oversight. That, and right around midterms and finals times we get hit with a lot of these, of which we only approve a fraction. Many are poorly done repetitions of surveys we have already seen here. some are flat out repeats. others are blatant attempts to harvest character names and enough personal data to attempt to steal accounts. And a large subset of them are biased "gaming addiction" surveys that are usually rather offensivly worded attempts to get people to support the survey posters revoilutionary theory that all gamers are addicted ne'r do wells with major psychological issues. The worst of those generally get forcefully culled.

Long time posters in theory get automatically approved, but since they are generating datasets of our posters which could theoretically contain enough information to assist an attack, I like to be careful and check them over. Especially in the gaming forums, you have people who you know from their posts likely have accounts that would go for high value if sold for money, their IP address, often time specific character names to target, real names, locations, approximate ages, etc. Now take those and extract known data and combine it with a list of most likely passwords, and you get maybe a 1 in 100 account hit.It's a problem, though one that we haven't really encountered to a large degree yet. There have been definite attempts though, which was one of the main reasons for the rule implementation. That and some of the forum sections were getting hit with 10-20 of these per week.
Thanks, Kao. Now I know to avoid these entirely. Or else, option E) Smiley: cheese
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Am I allowed to start thirty threads, each one with a different forum poll question about how MMORPGs turned you into a socially retarded Morlock?

I miss the old uBB's multi-question polling Smiley: frown
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Multi question polling is on the list for implementation someday. And I would prefer not to see 30 threads as that would be just a leeetle spammy.
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I wonder who pissed who off there.
I blame Denver.
I'm going there in a couple weeks. If I get a kickstarter going for a fund to get a giant boot to use for kicking that one professor, would you all chip in?

Possibly, I would at least would be willing to sign his e-mail up to a couple of survey spamming websites or something.
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I did this, but I have to say I did not like the last question. It felt leading by implying that books are not as much fun as television or video games, which I have to disagree with. Worst thing for a book would be any sort of spoken dialogue (which is why I hate voice acting in video games. I get more out of it when I can pace it myself instead of reading faster than somebody can talk)
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Multi question polling is on the list for implementation someday. And I would prefer not to see 30 threads as that would be just a leeetle spammy.
How about in one's journal, with a single master thread elsewhere linking to all the questions?
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I did this, but I have to say I did not like the last question. It felt leading by implying that books are not as much fun as television or video games, which I have to disagree with. Worst thing for a book would be any sort of spoken dialogue (which is why I hate voice acting in video games. I get more out of it when I can pace it myself instead of reading faster than somebody can talk)


I do agree with you about that last question. As for your second part I respectfully disagree, as do many authors. Audiobooks are great becuase you can be doing menial tasks while listening, or if you really want to get into the scene close your eyes and let your brain go to town imagining everything. I've listened to the Harry Potter books 3 times, read them twice. I also have Enderverse (Enders Games series and Ender's Shadow series) and one of them had Orson Scott Card do the intro where he stated he felt like audiobooks were better.

Now I don't disagree with you about bad VA, but when VA is done right (again Harry Potter series, i swear they got Hagrid from the movies to do the books) it's great, but I have listened to a few series where I liked no voice acting, just plain reading too.
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Make Love! The Bruce Campbell Way's audio book is hilariously well done. I really can't see myself rereading the book anymore simply because of the quality.
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Yeah, the draw of books vs TV is really the lack of visual stimuli, you can create the images in your mind without the restrictions of some directors view of how the story should look, it also allows you to peer into the minds of the characters because the pace doesn't have to be real-time so narration of a character's thoughts isn't a showstopper. Audiobooks are sort of a happy medium. Done well they provide most of the benefits of a book without the drawback of having to stare at the page. Good for the gym.
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I do agree with you about that last question. As for your second part I respectfully disagree, as do many authors. Audiobooks are great becuase you can be doing menial tasks while listening, or if you really want to get into the scene close your eyes and let your brain go to town imagining everything. I've listened to the Harry Potter books 3 times, read them twice. I also have Enderverse (Enders Games series and Ender's Shadow series) and one of them had Orson Scott Card do the intro where he stated he felt like audiobooks were better.

Now I don't disagree with you about bad VA, but when VA is done right (again Harry Potter series, i swear they got Hagrid from the movies to do the books) it's great, but I have listened to a few series where I liked no voice acting, just plain reading too.
About the only time I've used audio books is when driving on long trips alone. Even then, it seems like I have to work to stay connected to the story. It's probably a learned thing, but my mind seems much more able to block out the rest of the world as soon as my eyes land on the written words of a story.

I like to listen to Selected Shorts on the radio when I run into it. My local public radio station seems to move the time slot around frequently. They typically get some good narrators though.








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For me, my dislike of audiobooks stems from the fact that I can read so much faster than anyone else can speak. The same book will take me an hour to read as it would someone two or three hours to say aloud.
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Yeah, connection can be an issue with audiobooks, it just depends on what you're doing while listening to them. Driving would certainly not be a task I'd enjoy an audiobook while doing.

I read much faster than people speak if it's for the purposes of gaining knowledge (emails at work, for example) but for leisure I like to think about what I'm reading and imagine things so I tend to slow down to slightly above speaking pace (I'm in no hurry when I'm relaxing, probably why I like fishing). That would be a problem for some people though.
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Well, intelligence is a combination of genetics and early development. Your level of intelligence is pretty much set by the time you're 5 or 6 years old along with your base personality. You can and do refine decision processes after that point but you're generally not going to fundamentally change how intelligent you are once your brain stops making new pathways. I expect being intelligent makes you more likely to enjoy reading but reading does not make you more intelligent. That's not to say reading isn't important, reading gives you the tools you need to demonstrate and apply your intelligence and is absolutely necessary in modern society. What good is intelligence if you have no information to process?

Reading is a byproduct of intelligence, not a cause.

I suspect it's more of a feedback loop, really. Probably with some sort of phenotypal ceiling approached in a horizontal exponential asymptote like way.
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I watched most of Frontline's Digital Nation series last night. It was pretty interesting. There are just starting to be studies done to track those brain connections and pathways that may be created by excessive multi-tasking and constant bombardment from multiple digital media.

Universities particularly seem worried about the need for instant gratification and lack of focus of the latest batch of academics.

There's a whole bunch of multi-media stuff to mess around with at Frontlines website (in case you need a distraction).





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Well, intelligence is a combination of genetics and early development. Your level of intelligence is pretty much set by the time you're 5 or 6 years old along with your base personality. You can and do refine decision processes after that point but you're generally not going to fundamentally change how intelligent you are once your brain stops making new pathways. I expect being intelligent makes you more likely to enjoy reading but reading does not make you more intelligent. That's not to say reading isn't important, reading gives you the tools you need to demonstrate and apply your intelligence and is absolutely necessary in modern society. What good is intelligence if you have no information to process?

Reading is a byproduct of intelligence, not a cause.


Do you have a source for that? I don't buy it. While people's personality and level of intelligence do not often change, with the right stimulus and effort, they certainly can. And just for the record, we don't ever stop making new pathways. Y'know how we used to get told that we're born with a specific amount of brain cells and once you reach a certain age and you stop developing you never make more? Science has recently discovered that that isn't true.
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The last question was supposed to be targeted at the people who don't like to read. Typically, people who don't enjoy reading still enjoy watching tv or playing video games, so I was wondering what it is about these two activities that non-readers prefer over reading.
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Do you have a source for that? I don't buy it. While people's personality and level of intelligence do not often change, with the right stimulus and effort, they certainly can. And just for the record, we don't ever stop making new pathways. Y'know how we used to get told that we're born with a specific amount of brain cells and once you reach a certain age and you stop developing you never make more? Science has recently discovered that that isn't true.


It's probably not something that you'll find a single source for easily. You can find it quoted in just about every product marketed to parents with young kids though. Smiley: rolleyes

I doubt you'll find many people arguing that there's no mental development after age 5, just simply that a lot of the development takes place in the first few years of life, and it grows increasingly difficult to make fundamental changes to a child's mental capacity as time progresses.
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I doubt you'll find many people arguing that there's no mental development after age 5,
I bet you'll find many people being examples of there not being mental development after age 5, though.
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Well yeah, I'm not saying that it's easy and that anyone can do it, but I don't buy that it isn't possible. I've seen interviews of kids who had absolutely zero interest in school or reading before they came across a certain teacher who changed their minds. Now granted, I know that's not the same thing as intelligence, but I do think it's along the same lines.
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So I guess the question would be whether they were dumb before and got made smarter, or if they were just choosing not to display their intelligence, or maybe didn't quite know how to wield it properly?
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I doubt you'll find many people arguing that there's no mental development after age 5, just simply that a lot of the development takes place in the first few years of life, and it grows increasingly difficult to make fundamental changes to a child's mental capacity as time progresses.


This, hence the "pretty much" in my statement. There is certainly development throughout your life, but you generally won't see fundamental changes past the preschool ages. Changes in behavior and interest are much more common, they happen all the time. People who suddenly decide to apply themselves because of a good teacher and become the smartest people in their class were always intelligent, they just didn't show it.
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So I guess the question would be whether they were dumb before and got made smarter, or if they were just choosing not to display their intelligence, or maybe didn't quite know how to wield it properly?



This is exactly what I was getting at. You say it much better than I :).
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I wonder who pissed who off there.


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#46 Jun 26 2012 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
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Reading too much was my educational downfall. I became obsessed with Stephen King (we had to read and report on SK as freshmen) then fancied myself as the Trashcan Man and tried to blow up my school. They didn't really want me back after I got out of jail.
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#47 Jun 27 2012 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Reading is perhaps the greatist gift one can teach someone. I've always loved reading and still do. I have a bookcase full of books.
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#48 Jun 28 2012 at 2:06 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
Reading too much was my educational downfall. I became obsessed with Stephen King (we had to read and report on SK as freshmen) then fancied myself as the Trashcan Man and tried to blow up my school. They didn't really want me back after I got out of jail.

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#49 Jun 28 2012 at 6:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Reading too much was my educational downfall. I became obsessed with Stephen King (we had to read and report on SK as freshmen) then fancied myself as the Trashcan Man and tried to blow up my school. They didn't really want me back after I got out of jail.

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Yes, clearly READING was the problem, there.
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#50 Jun 28 2012 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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Reading too much was my educational downfall. I became obsessed with Stephen King (we had to read and report on SK as freshmen) then fancied myself as the Trashcan Man and tried to blow up my school. They didn't really want me back after I got out of jail.

True story?
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#51 Jun 28 2012 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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What, I never mentioned that here?
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