Jophiel wrote:
As I said, I see it as an important part of citizenship. I understand Gbaji doesn't share or understand these values as he demonstrated by comparing it to playing your car radio too loud. There's really no bridging that gap.
You're saying that not violating noise ordinances isn't also a part of citizenship?
Also, I'm curious about the connection you're making there. Do you see paying taxes as an important part of citizenship because it ensures everyone has some vested interest in the costs of the government and the actions it takes with that money? Or is it just the act of filling out a tax form that matters to you? Because I see it as the former, but I suspect that for you it's the latter. At least that seems to be what you're arguing. Because you don't seem to care that I do pay my taxes and have paid more than my fair share over the period of time in question. You care about whether or not I filled out a piece of paper at the right time.
And if past arguments are any judge, you have no problem with people who fill out that piece of paper and the result is that they pay zero taxes, or who gain significantly more in direct government benefits than said tax burden. So it's not really "paying taxes" you think is important for citizenship at all. What is it then? Following orders? Filling out forms on time? Is that really the Jophiel measurement of good citizenship? To me, that seems a bit trivial.