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#52 May 28 2012 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
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The question could also be; Has drug related crime gone down (aside from possession and selling); or, What has the revenue stream done for the economy; or, Where can I get some of those jalepeno flavored Cheetos.
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#53 May 28 2012 at 7:47 PM Rating: Good
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People are going to drive while stoned whether pot is illegal or not. I don't see the point in making that your bone of contention.

Unless you think the number of people smoking weed will remain constant whether it's legal or not, this is a perfectly valid point of contention.
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This might potentially be a great reason to make cigarettes illegal. It's a terrible reason (by itself) to make pot legal.

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I think that more people would probably smoke if it's legalized yeah. But the people that would wait to smoke it until its legal are going to be more likely to be responsible, and not drive while intoxicated in the first place. I don't think the ratio of people who drive while stoned vs. people who don't drive while stoned, would change all that much if pot was legal.

Comparing pot to cigarettes isn't the only reason I have for wanting pot to be legal, it's just the first one that usually pops in my head. There are plenty of drugs that are way worse for you than pot that are legal, and I don't like hypocrisy.

The amount of money we spend on the so called "drug war" is the most valid reason I can think of. Between the DEA, and people we put in prison for years for either possession or selling, we waste so much money. Plus Aeth makes a good point about how much money we could make by taxing it too. My only concern is that pot would then get taken over by corporations and get as much **** put in it as cigarettes.
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But it's addictive in the same way that cracking your knuckles, biting your nails, or smoking cigarettes are. And I'm willing to bet that cigarettes have a much higher chance of destroying your life than pot does.


Cigarettes, or rather the nicotine in them, is physically addictive, and some researchers have claimed that it is harder to quit smoking cigarettes then it is to quit taking heroin Citation Needed
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Is it? I was under the impression it wasn't. Okay then.
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The question could also be...

Not when discussing pot related traffic stops, no.
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But it's addictive in the same way that cracking your knuckles, biting your nails, or smoking cigarettes are. And I'm willing to bet that cigarettes have a much higher chance of destroying your life than pot does.


Cigarettes, or rather the nicotine in them, is physically addictive, and some researchers have claimed that it is harder to quit smoking cigarettes then it is to quit taking heroin Citation Needed

I am currently trying to quit cigarettes. Yes, they are extremely physically addictive. And I am trying my hardest not to bum one off my sister or kill someone. Remembering that I have a heart murmur isn't helping either. I don't care. I want to die while smoking.

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#58 May 29 2012 at 12:40 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, that's one of the reasons people have gotten so upset with the tobacco companies in the last 10-15 years. They've known all along that nicotine was addictive and dangerous, and tried to play dumb when people started dying of emphysema after smoking for their entire adult lives. It's one of the main reasons I've never even tried cigarettes. I have lots of friends who do, and it makes me sad. Especially when they didn't smoke in high school.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But it's addictive in the same way that cracking your knuckles, biting your nails, or smoking cigarettes are. And I'm willing to bet that cigarettes have a much higher chance of destroying your life than pot does.


Cigarettes, or rather the nicotine in them, is physically addictive, and some researchers have claimed that it is harder to quit smoking cigarettes then it is to quit taking heroin Citation Needed

I am currently trying to quit cigarettes. Yes, they are extremely physically addictive. And I am trying my hardest not to bum one off my sister or kill someone. Remembering that I have a heart murmur isn't helping either. I don't care. I want to die while smoking.

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Commit lozenges. Not the big ones, the minis. I've tried gum, patches, cold turkey, the mini lozenges are the only thing that helped.

And I'm convinced the "Truth" advertisements are nothing more than legal cigarette ads for smokers. Nothing makes a smoker want a cigarette more than hearing someone talk about one or seeing one.
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The question would be whether it's lower in your country now than it was pre-legalization, not to compare your use to that in the US.
You're right and I've tried googling this but haven't found anything useful yet. Just skinmming what I've found on google seemed to suggest that it didn't have much impact on use. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a quick and effective drug test that cops can use although I consider the decriminalization, quality control, tax income and the savings on prosecuting and jailing minor marijuana related offenses to be more important. Hell, use the money to provide free help to get clean for people addicted to drugs and you're hitting two birds with one stone.

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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But it's addictive in the same way that cracking your knuckles, biting your nails, or smoking cigarettes are. And I'm willing to bet that cigarettes have a much higher chance of destroying your life than pot does.


Cigarettes, or rather the nicotine in them, is physically addictive, and some researchers have claimed that it is harder to quit smoking cigarettes then it is to quit taking heroin Citation Needed
I think that was not so much the physical addiction but a combination of the physical part, the habit and the fact that it's widely accepted and part of many social activities if your friends/colleagues smoke, there aren't as many downsides to it that can help you stop and it's that much easier to get back to it.
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Yeah, that's one of the reasons people have gotten so upset with the tobacco companies in the last 10-15 years. They've known all along that nicotine was addictive and dangerous, and tried to play dumb when people started dying of emphysema after smoking for their entire adult lives. It's one of the main reasons I've never even tried cigarettes. I have lots of friends who do, and it makes me sad. Especially when they didn't smoke in high school.



Well, the big controversy is that tobacco companies actively manipulated the amount of nicotine in cigarettes in order to make them more addictive, well after the harmful effects were well known.

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Well, I made it through last night (and the last two days) and no one is dead. Yet.

Maybe there's hope. I actually feel pretty good this morning. Of course, it's early.
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#65 May 29 2012 at 6:04 AM Rating: Good
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Not when discussing pot related traffic stops, no.


Yeah, but that doesn't lead to my punch line AT ALL! Smiley: lol

Also, I quit smoking cigarettes on September 17th, 2011, and I still brief moments where I would like to either have a cigarette, or poke somebody in the eye!
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The problem with the "Drug war" argument is that it only really works on people who are already convinced that pot isn't "that bad". If you're someone sure that legalization will mean the nation will turn into a land of Lebowskis and Spicolis, the money spent stopping that decline is still money well spent. Maybe it could be more effectively spent stopping pot but the answer wouldn't ever be "Let's just call it a day".
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I've not had a cigarette for about 7 days. Hospitals frown on that kind of thing. Not sure if I want to keep it up, though. The not smoking, I mean.

Kind of hard quitting as a student, it's one of the few vices I can afford!
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Also, I quit smoking cigarettes on September 17th, 2011, and I still brief moments where I would like to either have a cigarette, or poke somebody in the eye!
I don't smoke, and I have plenty of moments of wanting to jab people in the eye.
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Not always. I blame my exposure to the Three Stooges for my random urges to eye poke.
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For those quitting (or trying to), I suggest e-cigarettes. Not the rip-off boxes that you can get in gas stations and such, but the ones you order online are better. I'm addicted to my e-cig now, but at least there's no tobacco involved - and I'm not even using any nicotine, either.
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I thought jury was out on e-cigs. RE: Pot-Never had issue with the drug itself as much as the general laziness and personal hygiene of just about any pot smoker I've known. I would lean against it because on the whole, I've never met an active smoker that I thought "Now there's a productive human being" about, but like Joph, the whole subject is meh to me. Never drank to get wasted, never did any drugs, mostly because it's universally acknowledged by anyone who has ever met me that I bring the party stone cold sober.
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I thought jury was out on e-cigs.
Health Canada advises against them, but it appears more to do with those that contain nicotine solutions, than the e-cigs themselves.
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I thought jury was out on e-cigs. RE: Pot-Never had issue with the drug itself as much as the general laziness and personal hygiene of just about any pot smoker I've known. I would lean against it because on the whole, I've never met an active smoker that I thought "Now there's a productive human being" about, but like Joph, the whole subject is meh to me. Never drank to get wasted, never did any drugs, mostly because it's universally acknowledged by anyone who has ever met me that I bring the party stone cold sober.

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RE: Pot-Never had issue with the drug itself as much as the general laziness and personal hygiene of just about any pot smoker I've known. I would lean against it because on the whole, I've never met an active smoker that I thought "Now there's a productive human being" about, [...]
To be fair, I'm sure there are any number of people you've thought are productive, or have good personal hygiene and motivation that you just never knew they smoked pot. I know several people who are successful in both the personal and professional aspects of their lives who still smoke pot. One friend in particular still smokes just about every day.

I'm not disagreeing that many pot smokers have poor hygiene and are lazy, but there are plenty of people out there who smoke recreationally and maintain successful lives, just as there are plenty of people who drink alcohol and manage to not be alcoholic slobs.

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I'm not disagreeing that many pot smokers have poor hygiene and are lazy, but there are plenty of people out there who smoke recreationally and maintain successful lives, just as there are plenty of people who drink alcohol and manage to not be alcoholic slobs.


These are very likely also the people who don't constantly find ways to work pot into their daily conversation as if it's some kind of badge of... honor or something. Like I said earlier, smoking pot is one thing, but if someone feels the need to let everyone know that they do so, they're likely smoking pot for less than respectable reasons. Generally speaking, the pot smoking culture lacks an element of maturity that makes them an easy target.
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RE: Pot-Never had issue with the drug itself as much as the general laziness and personal hygiene of just about any pot smoker I've known. I would lean against it because on the whole, I've never met an active smoker that I thought "Now there's a productive human being" about, [...]
To be fair, I'm sure there are any number of people you've thought are productive, or have good personal hygiene and motivation that you just never knew they smoked pot. I know several people who are successful in both the personal and professional aspects of their lives who still smoke pot. One friend in particular still smokes just about every day.

I'm not disagreeing that many pot smokers have poor hygiene and are lazy, but there are plenty of people out there who smoke recreationally and maintain successful lives, just as there are plenty of people who drink alcohol and manage to not be alcoholic slobs.


Yup, my step-dad be would of those. He's been smoking pot for well over 20 years. His extended family thinks that he quit before my step-sister was born (she's 21 now), little do they know...
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RE: Pot-Never had issue with the drug itself as much as the general laziness and personal hygiene of just about any pot smoker I've known. I would lean against it because on the whole, I've never met an active smoker that I thought "Now there's a productive human being" about, [...]
To be fair, I'm sure there are any number of people you've thought are productive, or have good personal hygiene and motivation that you just never knew they smoked pot. I know several people who are successful in both the personal and professional aspects of their lives who still smoke pot. One friend in particular still smokes just about every day.

I'm not disagreeing that many pot smokers have poor hygiene and are lazy, but there are plenty of people out there who smoke recreationally and maintain successful lives, just as there are plenty of people who drink alcohol and manage to not be alcoholic slobs.

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We certainly need a prohibition against Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Let's get at the heart of the problem, not the symptoms.

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RE: Pot-Never had issue with the drug itself as much as the general laziness and personal hygiene of just about any pot smoker I've known. I would lean against it because on the whole, I've never met an active smoker that I thought "Now there's a productive human being" about, [...]
To be fair, I'm sure there are any number of people you've thought are productive, or have good personal hygiene and motivation that you just never knew they smoked pot. I know several people who are successful in both the personal and professional aspects of their lives who still smoke pot. One friend in particular still smokes just about every day.

I'm not disagreeing that many pot smokers have poor hygiene and are lazy, but there are plenty of people out there who smoke recreationally and maintain successful lives, just as there are plenty of people who drink alcohol and manage to not be alcoholic slobs.


Yup, my step-dad be would of those. He's been smoking pot for well over 20 years. His extended family thinks that he quit before my step-sister was born (she's 21 now), little do they know...


God, I bet their toenails look like claws.

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I am quite certain the obama apologists are like a broken record. All I know is that growing up in my hood messing up the rotation was an invitation to an **** whooping.


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I am quite certain the obama apologists are like a broken record. All I know is that growing up in my hood messing up the rotation was an invitation to an **** whooping.

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But...who else could it be?
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I refuse to believe varrus is froody enough to have read the Hitchhiker's Guide.
He's full of surprises.

Whether it's varus or someone pretending to be varus the end result is the same; Joph's not getting his fifty bucks.
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I refuse to believe varrus is froody enough to have read the Hitchhiker's Guide.
But...who else could it be?
Anyone with the ability to go back three pages and read a few threads and not keep very good notes?
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I refuse to believe varrus is froody enough to have read the Hitchhiker's Guide.
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