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#27 May 22 2012 at 3:30 AM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
[EDIT]In NJ, you need 4 years of English and, I think, 4 years of Math. 3 years of lab science and History. You need PE every year you are in school, though you can opt out if you participate in other extra-curricular athletics (subject to your school's restrictions). The only classes I had to take my senior year were English and PE, because I had taken Statistics and AP Biology earlier. Had they offered AP Lit before my senior year, it would have been very easy for me to graduate early.
In NM, we had to take 4 years of English or English-equivalent classes(Speech, Creative Writing, etc). They decided during my junior year that this meant that despite completing English 4 my junior year, I still had to take another year of English in my senior year. I said eff it and took Speech and Creative Writing because the reading list they gave me for English 4-2 sounded like it would bore me to tears. The four years of math thing was worded as a specific number of credits, so I didn't have to take math my senior year, which gave me a lot of time to goof off.

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Most sports are competitive. This isn't the fault of gym teachers, it's just an anthropological part of why athletic activities evolved. Thing is, gym is required to be provided (in NJ) for the sake of the sedentary students.

Sedentary students are, generally speaking, the ones who won't be winning any of those competitions. They'll be at the bottom of the ladder every time. It's not a good feeling, and it makes you completely disconnect from the activities at hand. You end up doing everything you can to stay out of the actual action, for fear of having to prove how useless you are.
I have to be honest, I feel exactly opposite of your post there. Despite being overweight and fairly sedentary, I had no problem with the competitive sports portions of PE. It was calisthenics days, run the track days and other non-competitive days where I hated that class. Could have been the coach, since he wasn't all up in our faces about doing well at the sports, just wanted to make sure we participated. Even when I was the weakest link on a team, at least the game felt purposeful. Doing jumping jacks, situps or *shudder* mountain climbers(I think that's what they called that one thing I hated) felt like a waste of time. It also helps that the games were diverse enough that while some emphasized my weaknesses(endurance and agility), others emphasized strength or short burst speed, which I was good and alright at, respectively.
#28 May 22 2012 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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I did 4 years of English, math, social studies, and science, 2 years of PE, 2 years of religion (Catholic school, remember?), and for the life of me I can't remember what the last subject was.
I went to St. Francis Prep, and we had to do four years of religion. Smiley: motz

If I remember correctly, it was four years of Religion, English, Social Studies, and Physical Education, three years of Mathematics and Science, two of Foreign Language, and then a spread of courses between the four years of Fine Arts, Computer Science, Health, and Electives which all (as in everything from Religion to Electives) amounted to like 25 credits. What irritated me the most was that those damn Religion courses were only half year, so theoretically you could finish in half the time if you just doubled up but nooooo, had to do it one a year.

As far as PE goes, I went with Track courses, mostly because they were simply the easiest. I mean, you show up, do a few stretches, and run for a little bit. Though, I guess I'm a little biased towards it since if I really push myself I do a four minute mile. A talent that I've yet to find a true use for. Like most of everything I learned in high school.

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#29 May 22 2012 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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Oh yeah, French is the other class I took.

We took religion all 4 years, we just didn't have religion class every day. We had A semesters and B semesters. During the A semesters, we had religion 3 days a week and PE 2 days. During the B semesters we had PE 3 days and religion 2. Our religion classes were actually very interesting and weren't just about discussing Catholicism and Christianity.

One of our religion teachers was even a former brother of the religious order that ran the school who left the order because met a woman and wanted to marry her. I thought it was pretty cool that the order (the Brothers of the Sacred Heart) hired him to teach at the school after leaving the order. Another of the religion teachers was the head soccer coach and he was barely older than the students he was teaching, so he was pretty cool too.

Edit: And yes, 25 credits sounds about right. It's been 17 years since I graduated now, so I really can't remember. I do remember that we had 8 periods in a day and I had 2 of them off every year. Would have 3 off senior year but I took physics AP and biology 2 AP. I also went to the school for 8th grade and got an early start on some of my credits by taking Algebra I in 8th grade, which allowed me to take calculus AP as a senior.

So yeah, 6 classes per year x 4 years plus algebra I as an 8th grader = 25 credits.

Edited, May 22nd 2012 11:32am by Bigdaddyjug
#30 May 22 2012 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
I think there should just be more options for PE classes in general. There probably are at better schools, but my district was small and we didn't have a lot of funding. Everybody took the same thing from elementary school up until sophomore year in high school. Our high school required two years of PE. One year had to be the standard freshman PE, the other could be our choice between aerobics, weight training, and "advanced" PE which was really just another year of regular PE for upper classmen. I picked weight training because I wanted to get stronger. Still, it would have been nice to have had the option of taking some sort of martial arts class, or yoga, or something else. I look at the different PE classes that are offered at my university, and it's astounding. We aren't required to take any, they're more for fun, which is exactly what they are.

Different people like different things though. Sure, you're always going to have your lazy slackers who don't want to do anything regardless, but I feel like once you hit 7th grade, there should be more options for PE. If you like team sports, you could take a team sports class. There could also be classes for running, aerobics, weight lifting, yoga/pilates, martial arts, etc.

Although really, the main thing that infuriated me in PE was how much the boys took over whenever we played team sports. I know that a good portion of the girls don't care, but it wouldn't have killed them to given the girls who DID try a chance.
#31 May 22 2012 at 7:37 PM Rating: Good
Elementary school: Running around a lot, and being embarrassed in the gym because I could not stretch as far as the other kids. Failure.

Middle school: Not bad, actually. Our school got a grant from the local Army base (since we were the school those kids were bused to) and the soldiers, for some community service project thing, built us a series of stations. We had a full 1 mile loop around the school, and in our gym class you were supposed to jog between each station and then do the exercises listed on the station. 10 jumping jacks, 20 pushups, etc. Every school should have this sort of thing built in. We also actually learned the rules of sports like basketball, volleyball, and baseball; I don't know why our elementary teachers expected us to be magically imbued with that knowledge as children. I think I was at my healthiest in 8th grade.

High school #1: Back to the terrible practices of elementary school, only worse. I don't think I ever did anything in gym class at my first high school except watch the guys lift weights.

High school #2: There was no gym class, only "aerobic dance" which we were expected to take at least one time for one semester. It was taught by one of the ballet instructors, and she did her best to vary the exercises - we used steps, resistance bands, ribbons, and other props on a regular basis. After that, if you were a dancer, you got a full hour workout each day. Otherwise, nope.

I do think that gym class, aka "physical education" is an important part of school. But I also agree that the way it is taught needs to be changed a lot. If someone had given my bookworm childhood self a treadmill and said I could read all I wanted as long as I was walking during gym class, I would have been a lot better off.
#32 May 22 2012 at 11:40 PM Rating: Excellent
Gym in high school is important because it gives kids who normally wouldn't participate in team activities the opportunity to try new things. Granted it's been the better part of 20 years since I was in high school, so maybe gym has changed since then.
#33 May 23 2012 at 4:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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For some kids, it's the only exercise they get, so yeah I think we should keep it. Besides, when else is a kid going to get the chance to sit under a parachute dome? I loved that damn thing.

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#34 May 23 2012 at 6:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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if I really push myself I do a four minute mile. A talent that I've yet to find a true use for. Like most of everything I learned in high school.


Yeah, I guess you can't run from bullets.
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#35 May 23 2012 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I guess you can't run from bullets.
That's why you have to jump on top of them. Unless they've made spiky ones.
#36 May 23 2012 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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#37 May 24 2012 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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Illinois, the state in which I attended high school, is one of the only states that requires PE all the way through graduation. I can't say that it helped me personally keep fit during those years (I also played ice hockey 3-4 times a week), but I don't remember all too many fatties, either.

Anecdotal, sure. But it seems to me to have paid off for my classmates.

As an Illinoisian, this has always bothered me that gym was required for 4 years, but none of the academic classes were. When I was in HS, I think English was 3 years and math-science only 2.

The only thing I learned was the PE teachers I had were idiots when it came to grading tests. (Didn't help that I was a smart-*** either) For example, 20 question test worth 10 points (score rounded down). I got test back 19/20 correct, so a 9/10 score. When reviewing the test, the question I missed was actually correct so I should have had a 10/10 score. My teacher kept telling me that since the missed question was only worth 1/2 a point, it didn't matter. When I tried pointing out that if she hadn't marked it wrong, I would have a perfect score and why doesn't she get that. I get sent to the office over that one.


I too am from Illinois. Our P.E. Classes were usually split into 2 classes: An easier one (Archery, Walking, etc.) and one that was a bit "harder" (weight lifting, indoor/outdoor soccer, run/walking the track for set miles). I'm a big guy and in High School I was around 350lbs. I always took the "harder" one because I got to work out and actually get some exercise.

I don't know about you 2, but around here one does not have to take PE all 8 semesters of H.School. If you played a sport or was in the marching band (no joke) you get out of P.E.
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#38 May 24 2012 at 6:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I don't know about you 2, but around here one does not have to take PE all 8 semesters of H.School. If you played a sport or was in the marching band (no joke) you get out of P.E.
Don't knock marching band. It can be a hell of a workout.
#39 May 24 2012 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I don't know about you 2, but around here one does not have to take PE all 8 semesters of H.School. If you played a sport or was in the marching band (no joke) you get out of P.E.
Don't knock marching band. It can be a hell of a workout.


One should definitely knock marching band, if not necessarily for those reasons (I gather that it gets kinda sweaty in those outfits).
#40 May 24 2012 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Running away from real athletes to keep from getting swirlied is great cardio, huh?
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#41 May 24 2012 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
Sand, I thought you lived in England? Am I mistaken, or are you an expat?
#42 May 24 2012 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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Sand, I thought you lived in England? Am I mistaken, or are you an expat?


South Central Illinois all my life.
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#43 May 24 2012 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
Nah, I must have imagined it.
#44 May 29 2012 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Long Island here. Gym was mandatory for elementary school through high school. I think in elementary/middle gym was twice a week. In high school it was 2/3 times a week, alternating. I personally wouldn't have it any other way. It was a great relaxer from the mental activities all the other classes require, it helped keep me in shape, and it was fun.

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The only thing I learned was the PE teachers I had were idiots when it came to grading tests.

You had tests in gym class? Or was your PE like half health class also?

Edited, May 29th 2012 12:40pm by Deadgye
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#45 May 29 2012 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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We had gym all through high school in RI. I know some schools have different requirements. We had PE or Health 2x a week. Some schools had it every day. It was pretty well-done at my school. During indoor months, we usually had volleyball, floor hockey, and table tennis available, or you could use the exercise equipment in the weight room. Students who didn't want to do any of those could walk laps around the gym (basketball court). Outdoor months, we had softball and soccer, plus walking/running the track, or you could stay at the school and use the exercise equipment in the weight room. I think the presentation of several non-competitive options was beneficial.

We had PE for 3 quarters out of the year, and health for the one remaining.

Edited, May 29th 2012 1:22pm by Spoonless
#46 May 29 2012 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
I always though gym was a waste of time, until I got my grade 9 gym credit, the. I thought to myself " oh I mise aswell earn my grade 10"

Because I really do like gym, it shows kids how to be active. But there is a side I don't like, and it's how kids won't learn that active is important.
#47 May 30 2012 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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Most memorable week of middle school gym class for me: Richard Simmons.


The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I don't know about you 2, but around here one does not have to take PE all 8 semesters of H.School. If you played a sport or was in the marching band (no joke) you get out of P.E.
Don't knock marching band. It can be a hell of a workout.


Ugh, I took marching band to get out of PE. After two years, I concluded that this was a terrible idea, because several hours of marching practice in a parking lot during your average Texas August is absolute hell. Thankfully, you practice in shirts and shorts.

PE it was.

Edited, May 30th 2012 6:58am by Sweetums
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