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#102 May 02 2012 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Isn't racism, at its root, about respect? I respect you as a person and not because of what race you are or are not. I afford everyone an equal amount of respect, regardless of their race. I don't disrespect someone purely because they belong to any specific race (or don't belong).
There is something to be said for that, but ignoring the differences doesn't mean you are being fair. Having the same rights doesn't mean we all come from the same place or go about things the same way. There is respect in acknowledging that.

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For the music argument, I see an argument that "black" music has to be afforded a level of respect from "white" artists that "black" musicians don't have to give "white" artists/music on account of them being black and white artists being white. There's probably no argument that will get me on board with that.
Not all black music, I imagine, and not all black artists, but I sure as **** wouldn't take it upon myself to tell a black man or woman how to feel about someone adopting their cultural expression. It would be a **** move. Like what, they need more entitlement and infantilizing? I'll pass.
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#103 May 02 2012 at 5:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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#104 May 02 2012 at 5:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
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I think the thing were forgetting is that 95% of all covers are horrible failures that shouldn't have been done period.
How do you expect me to pad out my album if I can't do a metal cover of Imagine?


Be creative dammit! Smiley: mad

There's no excuse for stuff like this:


This is white on white crime. Smiley: disappointed
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#105 May 02 2012 at 5:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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They can feel however they want. Doesn't make it racism.
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#106 May 02 2012 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
We need to wrap this up. There's three more points to get through after this music one before we've solved racism.


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I am the Jophiel; I speak for the classic rock artists.

That's advocating!

Nice try. You speak for folk chick guitarists.
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#107 May 02 2012 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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This is an odd back and forth we are witnessing here, isn't it?
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#108 May 02 2012 at 5:09 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
They can feel however they want. Doesn't make it racism.

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#109 May 02 2012 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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You Gbaji'd me? I guess that means you flailed about for a bit making increasing illogical arguments and making me look good. Smiley: laugh
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#110 May 02 2012 at 5:13 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
You Gbaji'd me? I guess that means you flailed about for a bit making increasing illogical arguments and making me look good. Smiley: laugh

Sure babe. That's what it means.Smiley: rolleyes




And I just jophed there.
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#111 May 02 2012 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Why don't you two just get a room or something? Joph can put on his Polish Conquistador costume, while Flea plays the defiant, yet oddly willing Peruvian Princess. You can act out your racial tensions all you want then. Sheesh!
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#112 May 02 2012 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure they already did. It's been almost an hour.
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I'm so lonely Smiley: frown

I know, Daisycakes. I know. Later maybe Romney will admit that he grinds the bones of the poor to make his bread and we'll have a thread where people pay attention to you Smiley: smile
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#114 May 02 2012 at 6:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I am going to have to agree that doing covers or sampling is not inherently racist, that is just how music is done, has been done, and hopefully will be done for years to come.

Now, it is possible for samples or covers to be done in a racist way (if they are mocking or otherwise belittling) but just rapping or covering a rap song if you're white isn't automatically racist and to say otherwise is ridiculous
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#115 May 02 2012 at 6:41 PM Rating: Default
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I'm so lonely Smiley: frown

I know, Daisycakes. I know. Later maybe Romney will admit that he grinds the bones of the poor to make his bread and we'll have a thread where people pay attention to you Smiley: smile


At least I don't need someone to hold my hand and tell me what to do. So there is that!
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#116 May 02 2012 at 6:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kick a pebble when you said that, did you? Smiley: laugh
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#117 May 02 2012 at 7:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:

Later maybe Romney will admit that he grinds the bones of the poor to make his bread


Romney would never stoop that low, that's clearly a job for the "help".
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#118 May 02 2012 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is an odd back and forth we are witnessing here, isn't it?


I've found it quite entertaining. Smiley: grin
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#119 May 03 2012 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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#120 May 03 2012 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is an odd back and forth we are witnessing here, isn't it?

At home our racial dialogue is closer to:

"Want Mexican tonight?"
"Nah"
"That's because you're racist"
"Your mom's face is racist."

We're solving America's problems.

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#121 May 03 2012 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
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Apparently she's been hitting the gym to get ready for bikini season
Isn't she like ten?
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#122 May 03 2012 at 8:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
This is an odd back and forth we are witnessing here, isn't it?

At home our racial dialogue is closer to:

"Want Mexican tonight?"
"Nah"
"That's because you're racist"
"Your mom's face is racist."

We're solving America's problems.


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TirithRR wrote:
Apparently she's been hitting the gym to get ready for bikini season
Isn't she like ten?


More like 19 or 20. Old enough to be flashing her cooter Brintey Spears style for TMZ to go crazy over.
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#124 May 04 2012 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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How else is she going to stay relevant?
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#125 May 04 2012 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Same way everyone else does. Leaked *** tape and something illegal to get the obligatory jail time.

Bonus points for combining the two.
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#126 May 04 2012 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure I want to watch a *** tape that gets her arrested. Unless it's for having *** in public.
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#127 May 04 2012 at 10:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Okay not what I was thinking, but that works too. Smiley: lol

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To sit and think about myself...
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Same way everyone else does. Leaked *** tape and something illegal to get the obligatory jail time.


So we're at the stage where young white Disney starlets get jail time for cred, while gansta rappers film shows where they take their wives to shopping parties at Prada. Whoa.
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#129 May 04 2012 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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Okay not what I was thinking, but that works too. Smiley: lol

Hangin' round downtown by myself
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To sit and think about myself...


I don't know if I buy that that song is about paedophilia or not. And even if it was, I still wouldn't wanna watch a *** tape about it.
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#130 May 04 2012 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know if I buy that that song is about paedophilia or not. And even if it was, I still wouldn't wanna watch a *** tape about it.


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Yes drugs, I know. We're combining *** and candy here. You know, for bonus points. That was the whole point of the...

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#131 May 04 2012 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
I don't know if I buy that that song is about paedophilia or not. And even if it was, I still wouldn't wanna watch a *** tape about it.


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Yes drugs, I know. We're combining *** and candy here. You know, for bonus points. That was the whole point of the...

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I'm so done making analogies before coffee. Smiley: bah


Ummm...the song isn't about drugs either, at least as far as I know. It's just a bunch of euphamisms for *** with a title based on an offhand remark the lead singer's roommate made after walking in after the lead singer had just finished banging his (the lead singer's, not the roommate's) girlfriend. The candy referred to in the title is just a cigarette.
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#132 May 04 2012 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ummm...the song isn't about drugs either, at least as far as I know.


That's ridiculous. Everything is about drugs.
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#133 May 04 2012 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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Ummm...the song isn't about drugs either, at least as far as I know.


That's ridiculous. Everything is about drugs.


/hippie voice

The 60s are over maaaaaan. Not everything is about drugs anymore. There's a great big world out there to see.

/end hippie voice

Edit: I was gonna make every letter of that post a different color, but that would have taken waaaaay too much effort.

Edited, May 4th 2012 12:32pm by Bigdaddyjug
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#134 May 04 2012 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Miley Cyrus is racist against Heroin-Addicted Americans?


Can't you tell? She took everything that was good and pure about being a lazy drug-addicted low-life and bastardized it.

I was more offended by her muffin top than by her rendition of the song.


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Thanks for better explaining what I was trying to say Sweetums.

In reference to the black women have pretty hair thing, I know it isn't exactly a stereotype, but some white women do have a tendency to exoticize black women's hair, like in the example I gave. Like other people have mentioned, black women's hair is a BFD, and I think it's probably a big part of their culture (I obviously can't say this with complete certainty since I'm not a black woman). To have a white woman come up to them and exclaim how awesome their hair is and basically demand to know how they do their hair so they can replicate it, that's gotta be pretty off-putting, not to mention objectifying.


I have super straight hair and I was always fascinated by how weave would hold a perfect curl for days or weeks on end.
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#135 May 04 2012 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
I just wish my hair would make up its mind. It's in some bizarre place in between straight and wavy and it drives me nuts.
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#136 May 07 2012 at 7:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think the author's argument would be less offensive to my sensibilities if she actually made one. Instead of just declaring tautologies as if she's the arbiter of all racism. Also, a lot of the things she's declaring as stuff "hipsters" do is actually just stuff that obnoxious 18-22 year olds do.
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#137 May 08 2012 at 3:28 AM Rating: Excellent
Isn't that how old hipsters are? Smiley: wink
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#138 May 08 2012 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Isn't that how old hipsters are? Smiley: wink
At least in their minds.
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