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#1 Apr 30 2012 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303513404577355682588675176.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
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The tea party movement has generally been constructive, but every so often it runs off the road. A case in point is its emerging condominium with the anti-antiterror left to block terrorist detentions.

This strange alliance has developed in response to one of Congress's rare bipartisan achievements—the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). That bill affirmed the long-standing distinction between civilian justice and the rules of war by letting the President detain terrorists (including U.S. citizens) captured anywhere and question them as long as necessary. A President can decide to try them in either military or civilian courts, and the right of habeas corpus to challenge detention in court, established by the Supreme Court's 2004 Hamdi decision, is unchanged.

This modest law has sprouted a burst of political delusion in several states and Congress. A tea party outfit called the Tenth Amendment Center calls the law "an unconstitutional and dangerous federal power grab"—though the statute merely codifies existing practice under Presidents Bush and Obama. In the wilder tea party precincts, the talk is that in a second term Mr. Obama might round people up, a la Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor.

I had myself a hearty lol at the first sentence, and the Journal's description of the legalization of indefinite detentions of US citizens as "modest."

Boy, I'm sure glad we elected a president willing to put a stop to all these shenanigans. Change I can believe in!
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#2 Apr 30 2012 at 3:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm trying to wrap my had around their use of the word condominium in the way they used it.
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The paranoia is showing up in state legislatures, and this month Virginia became the first to forbid state employees from "assisting" the feds "in the conduct of the investigation, prosecution, or detention of any citizen" under the provisions of the NDAA. This means that as of July 1 in Richmond a state trooper could not arrest the likes of the late Virginia cleric-turned-terrorist-recruiter Anwar al-Awlaki because he might end up in a military brig. A U.S. missile targeted and killed Awlaki in Yemen on Presidential orders, but Virginia police couldn't detain him.


Our town left the Joint Terrorism Task Force years ago, because of concerns about the handling of 'domestic terrorists.' We ended up in the interesting position when this happened a while later. None of the local law enforcement had any idea there was someone planning to plant a bomb at the local tree-lighting thing until after it was all over. The whole undercover operation, fake bomb being planted, etc wasn't shared with them. Opposing these things has weird consequences sometimes.

Edited, Apr 30th 2012 2:57pm by someproteinguy
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In the wilder tea party precincts, the talk is that in a second term Mr. Obama might round people up, a la Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor.

Michelle Bachmann, dat j00?
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Shouldn't the title say "Stop Being So Liberal"?
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I'm trying to wrap my had around their use of the word condominium in the way they used it.



It's the original definition. From lolwiki:

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In international law, a condominium (plural either condominia, as in Latin, or condominiums) is a political territory (state or border area) in or over which two or more sovereign powers formally agree to share equally dominium (in the sense of sovereignty) and exercise their rights jointly, without dividing it up into 'national' zones.


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Samira wrote:
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I'm trying to wrap my had around their use of the word condominium in the way they used it.



It's the original definition. From lolwiki:

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In international law, a condominium (plural either condominia, as in Latin, or condominiums) is a political territory (state or border area) in or over which two or more sovereign powers formally agree to share equally dominium (in the sense of sovereignty) and exercise their rights jointly, without dividing it up into 'national' zones.




Good to see the WSJ decided to speak to the Tea Party folks in the sort of language they would use at home...
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gbaji wrote:
Shouldn't the title say "Stop Being So Liberal"?
I'm fairly confident that limiting the extra-constitutional power of the executive is pretty much the most conservative of political ideals.
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Shouldn't the title say "Stop Being So Liberal"?
I'm fairly confident that limiting the extra-constitutional power of the executive is pretty much the most conservative of political ideals.


But that's not what the WSJ article is saying. It's saying that areas of legitimate national defense *are* within the power of the executive, and that those Tea Party groups are basically acting like liberal ACLU nutters when they focus on the semantics of the issue "OMG! They're able to lock people up without trials!!!", while failing to grasp the facts of the issue (that legitimately identified enemy combatants have *always* been locked up without civilian trials). What's supposed to make us conservatives is that we understand that the principle of limited government does not apply to the power the government has, but when, where and why it can use it. By making that sort of all-or-nothing argument, those people are not acting like conservatives, but like liberals.

Hence my statement. While you're free to disagree with their assessment, it's certainly wrong to say that the WSJ was saying that they were acting too conservative. It's quite clear that the WSJ's point is that they're acting too much like liberals. So color me confused how you managed to get this completely backwards.
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What's supposed to make us conservatives is that we understand that the principle of limited government does not apply to the power the government has, but when, where and why it can use it.

I don't even know where to begin.
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You can start with the article, and be content in the knowledge that you're at least a step ahead of him already.
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I don't even know where to begin.

Begin with the knowledge that Gbaji will never, ever admit to any fault with conservatism or its advocates* and then you can probably end there as well. It's a pretty short road to understanding Gbaji.

*If any are making egregious errors, it's because they're actually liberals being inaccurately labeled as conservatives

Also, apropos of nothing, Governor Walker of Wisconsin sent me a fund-raising letter yesterday praising my actions as a conservative leader.

Edited, May 1st 2012 9:07am by Jophiel
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I think maybe the disconnect is my use of the word "conservative", which does not necessarily mean "Republican."

Joph, he was probably referring to that one time you voted for a GOP candidate for state senate, like, a decade ago.
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
I'm trying to wrap my had around their use of the word condominium in the way they used it.



It's the original definition. From lolwiki:

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In international law, a condominium (plural either condominia, as in Latin, or condominiums) is a political territory (state or border area) in or over which two or more sovereign powers formally agree to share equally dominium (in the sense of sovereignty) and exercise their rights jointly, without dividing it up into 'national' zones.




Yep, I found that definition of it before my first post. Still don't see how it applies, though.
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Joph, he was probably referring to that one time you voted for a GOP candidate for state senate, like, a decade ago.

I didn't vote for him due to balance of power reasons but, to his credit, Kirk was doing a better-than-expected job up to the point where he decided to have a stroke.
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For a moment there, I imagined you were speaking of THE Kirk, ie James T., and it made me love you a little more.
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So wait... now you love me a little less since I wasn't?
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So wait... now you love me a little less since I wasn't?


She loves you the same, you just missed a conversation opportunity for an affection gain. Kind of like in that game Eske doesn't like us to talk about, only in real life there are no mods that allow you to redo the conversation if you **** up.

Edited, May 1st 2012 2:38pm by Bigdaddyjug
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Kind of like in that game Eske doesn't like us to talk about, only in real life there are no mods that allow you to redo the conversation if you **** up.
I find a well placed concussion lets me have any number of extra redos for conversations.
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Kind of like in that game Eske doesn't like us to talk about, only in real life there are no mods that allow you to redo the conversation if you **** up.
I find a well placed concussion lets me have any number of extra redos for skip the conversations.
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So wait... now you love me a little less since I wasn't?


She loves you the same, you just missed a conversation opportunity for an affection gain. Kind of like in that game Eske doesn't like us to talk about, only in real life there are no mods that allow you to redo the conversation if you **** up.

Edited, May 1st 2012 2:38pm by Bigdaddyjug
This. I am sure you will rally, love. Make a joke about Hitler.
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You know who else got people to rally when things seemed bleakest...?
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You know who else got people to rally when things seemed bleakest...?
MY MOM.
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I was thinking "Abraham Lincoln".
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You can start with the article, and be content in the knowledge that you're at least a step ahead of him already.


The content of which clearly was about some Tea Party groups acting too much like liberals. Set aside for a moment whether you agree or disagree with a given position, the very first sentence reads:

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The tea party movement has generally been constructive, but every so often it runs off the road. A case in point is its emerging condominium with the anti-antiterror left to block terrorist detentions.



Unless Demea is arguing that the "anti-antiterror left" is somehow magically "So Conservative"? If not, then how is that connection made here?
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I accidentally rated you down for your definition linking, Samira. Smiley: frown

Meant to hit the green arrow, for teaching me something new.
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I accidentally rated you up, Samira.

I meant to rate you down because haet u so much Smiley: mad
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I accidentally didn't do anything, Samira.

I meant to do something, but I didn't.
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I accidentally did everything, Samira.

I meant to do nothing, but somehow it didn't turn out that way.
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#32 May 02 2012 at 12:52 AM Rating: Good
I just generally object to the notion that the Tea Party movement has done anything positive. Maybe they need to get better spokespeople so they don't sound like a bunch of raving lunatics.
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Eh, what the hell. You're all forgiven.

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I didn't do anything. ON PURPOSE.

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I rated everybody up, then created a sockpuppet and rated everybody down again.

Then I ate a cookie.
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Then I ate a cookie.


Rate down for not sharing the cookies.
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