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#102 Apr 26 2012 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Or maybe the black people on that show just weren't attractive (in whatever fashion) to the central character. Crazy, I know.


Let me explain further what I meant. I was thinking that it could be possible for the people running the show, to discourage the Bachelor/ette from selecting a PoC, either by straight up telling them not to, or by purposefully selecting PoC that had very little in common with them. I realize that sounds sort of crazy conspiracy theorist, but it is a possibility. It just strikes me as odd when I read that no PoC has made it past the first few eliminations, with as long as that show has been on the air. You would think at least a few might have, even if they weren't eventually picked as the finalist, or whatever you want to call the winner.
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#103 Apr 26 2012 at 12:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll be first to admit that my interest in those shows is very minimal and so my exposure is very limited. I'm just saying there's a very plausible reason that doesn't require any degree of malice on anyone's part.

I wonder what sort of minority response they get for the casting calls on those shows with the knowledge that (from past seasons) the central character will be white.
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#104 Apr 26 2012 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
Same here. I don't think I've ever even seen an episode of either of the two shows. But I've seen a fair amount of the dating shows that came about after its success, and they're all about the same. People get to spend time with the central person as a group, and then they also get the option of picking some of the "candidates" for one on one dates. At the end of every episode, there is an elimination ceremony where a pre-determined number of candidates get eliminated. This culminates into a final episode where the central person has to choose between two or three people.

There's a very good chance that there isn't any intentional malice behind the lack of PoC staying in the game longer. But there's also a possibility that there is. We don't know who these producers are or what they're like. And there has been speculation for years that these dating shows are fixed, where the people in charge of the show decide who they want the central person to choose, and put that in their contract. If that is indeed true, I think it's not that unlikely that the show creators would have the central person choose someone that they think their viewers are going to like the best.

While most Americans are probably okay with inter-racial couples for the most part, if presented a choice, they're ultimately going to pick a partner for someone who looks good with the other person, someone that looks a lot like that person. I don't even think it's a conscious thing, but a lot of people get themselves worked up about how cute a couple is or isn't, based purely on physical traits. If you get a short girl and a really tall guy together, people wonder why they're together. Same thing if you have one person who is significantly more attractive than the other. When it comes right down to it, Americans as a whole are incredibly superficial in this manner. Not everybody is like this of course, but the type of people who watch these shows on a regular basis, most likely are. About the only time viewers aren't going to like a pretty girl that looks good with the guy, is if she presents herself as a ***** or a gold digger.
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#105 Apr 26 2012 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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While most Americans are probably okay with inter-racial couples for the most part, if presented a choice, they're ultimately going to pick a partner for someone who looks good with the other person, someone that looks a lot like that person. I don't even think it's a conscious thing, but a lot of people get themselves worked up about how cute a couple is or isn't, based purely on physical traits. If you get a short girl and a really tall guy together, people wonder why they're together. Same thing if you have one person who is significantly more attractive than the other. When it comes right down to it, Americans as a whole are incredibly superficial in this manner. Not everybody is like this of course, but the type of people who watch these shows on a regular basis, most likely are. About the only time viewers aren't going to like a pretty girl that looks good with the guy, is if she presents herself as a ***** or a gold digger.


I don't think this is a problem, or even a trait exclusively American. I'm no psychologist, but I'd say that being attracted to people who are similar to you is natural. Sure, if your own ultimate goal is to force diversity and a mixing of different people, you may see this as some sort of problem. But I don't think the media is holding the carrot on this issue. It's a chicken/egg thing. Do you like someone similar to you because the media shows it as the norm, or does the media show it as the norm because it's something that naturally occurs? I'd lean more towards nature.

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#106 Apr 26 2012 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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According to a really tall guy, ALL women seem equally short to him. Which is why he never factors height into his judgement of women's attractiveness.

People DO subconsciously gravitate towards partners that have similar bone structures to themselves, or other similar features. (Which often has the effect of ending up with partners that look like members of their own family which is both hilarious and squiky at the same time especially for artists/photographers/scientists/hairdressers who can see the underlying bone structures of other people more easily.) But there is plenty of room across races for partners to match facial structures. A Caucasian with an Asian or an African with both partners having a short, square face with a pointed chin, for example. Or both partners having upslanting brows and downslanting lips. Or both partners having a wide jaw and wide lips, even if their lip thickness is very different.

In Australia most minority families send their children to public schools, and most minorities who attended public schools from young childhood wind up in mixed race/culture/religious pairings. These often involve one Anglo Aussie partner, but quite often involve people of two different minorities. Interestingly they often involve partners of minorities who's background nations are culturally close but at war or cold war with each other. A Greek-Australian with a Turkish-Australian. A Bosnian Australian with a Serb-Australian. A Palestinian-Australian with an Israeli-Australian. They probably give their parents conniptions, but somehow these second generation Australians find common ground with each other.

People who attend public schools, which are all secular, tend to cherry pick their own backgrounds, hanging onto the nice things about their background culture, while sinking into the general Australian culture. It's different for minorities who are sent to private religious schools. They often feel more obligated to their own parents to date and marry within their own culture. But there's no use trying to dismantle the ethnic minority religious schools. There's too many historical private Anglican and Catholic schools that would fight tooth and nail against being reformed along with the others.
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#107 Apr 27 2012 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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There's always Norika Fujiwara.

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#108 Apr 27 2012 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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We're not on your shows because we don't need any help getting your white menz.
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#109 Apr 28 2012 at 9:30 AM Rating: Default
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My "subpar trolling" made him come back and respond!

I don't want to come right out and say that I'm a wizard but...

Edited, Apr 24th 2012 7:49am by Jophiel


1. My comment was in reference to Ugly, not you

2. 'Twas a coincidence in timing from when I was no longer banned/muted from your post.

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Except that there is an issue of inter-racial dating. The people filing the complaint or lawsuit or whatever it is, also pointed out that while there have been PoC on the shows, they are usually eliminated fairly quickly.


That has absolutely nothing to do with interracial dating in the media if there were PoC on the show. Just because you don't get picked, doesn't mean that the audience doesn't want to see an interracial couple. It means that the individuals didn't like you. Chances are high that the person of a different ethnicity will be eliminated first simply due to natural personal preferences. Since none of the main characters are PoC, then they will always be at a disadvantage. Hence why they want a PoC as the center role. A PoC is more likely to pick someone of their same ethnicity than someone who isn't.

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So while the idea of inter-racial dating is there, it isn't actually being practiced, because none of the PoC had a shot anyways, either because the people in charge of the show are racist jerks, or because the Bachelor/ettes are racist jerks.


Neither. Read above. It's this type of nonsense that fuel people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and then everyone wants to blame minorities for creating/promoting a "non existing problem".
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#110 Apr 28 2012 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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The biggest surprise to me is that the show is still on. But then, I shouldn't be too surprised given that most of the stuff on network TV is tripe anyway.

They outta put a black gal as the central character and then have a bunch of white hipster douchebags as potential suitors. I'd watch that just for the lulz.
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#111 Apr 28 2012 at 2:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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#112Almalieque, Posted: Apr 28 2012 at 10:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The only show that I watched similar to that was Joe Millionaire. That was funny and I would watch following seasons. The only problem is, it's a little more difficult to find a group of women that will fall for the same trick every season. Your only choices are to either have a large gap between the seasons or do it in another country.
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I force myself to ********** to women of color, regardless of whether I find them attractive, to prove to myself that I'm not racist.

Do you cry while doing it?
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#115 Apr 29 2012 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
My "subpar trolling" made him come back and respond!

I don't want to come right out and say that I'm a wizard but...

Edited, Apr 24th 2012 7:49am by Jophiel


1. My comment was in reference to Ugly, not you
Clearly you're infatuated with me, but I have to let you in on something: I'm not that in to you. It's not me, it's you.
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#116 Apr 29 2012 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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I force myself to ********** to women of color, regardless of whether I find them attractive, to prove to myself that I'm not racist.

Do you cry while doing it?
No, but the women usually do.

Wow, that's creepy.
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#117 Apr 30 2012 at 3:41 AM Rating: Default
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
My "subpar trolling" made him come back and respond!

I don't want to come right out and say that I'm a wizard but...

Edited, Apr 24th 2012 7:49am by Jophiel


1. My comment was in reference to Ugly, not you
Clearly you're infatuated with me, but I have to let you in on something: I'm not that in to you. It's not me, it's you.


Interesting....
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#118 Apr 30 2012 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Spoonless wrote:
I force myself to ********** to women of color, regardless of whether I find them attractive, to prove to myself that I'm not racist.
Do you cry while doing it?
The clamps and car battery freakin' hurt, meng.
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#119 Apr 30 2012 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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I force myself to ********** to women of color, regardless of whether I find them attractive, to prove to myself that I'm not racist ghey.

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