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#1 Apr 20 2012 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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Haven't you heard?

Well here's the gist of it:

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The complaint alleges that, in 16 seasons of "The Bachelor" and seven seasons of "The Bachelorette" (the eighth season is slated to begin airing in May), the defendants have never featured "a single person of color ... in the central role." The suit also alleges that the few people of color who have been chosen to compete are often eliminated after the first few rose ceremonies.


Basically everybody being featured in the main spot is white. Not only that but most of the contestants are white as well. Now add in some provocative quotes:

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"It's as if [the network] is afraid they could lose advertisers by showing interracial dating."


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"I think Ashley [Hebert] is 1/16th Cherokee Indian, but I cannot confirm. But that is my suspicion! We really tried, but sometimes we feel guilty of tokenism. Oh, we have to wedge African-American chicks in there! We always want to cast for ethnic diversity, it's just that for whatever reason, they don't come forward. I wish they would."


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"If the plaintiffs win and you see an African-American Bachelorette, would there be a stigma associated with her? She's only there because the lawsuit said she had to be there."


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"I'm surprised that someone like Fleiss didn't at least see the revenue potential of expanding the cast," García said. "Why wouldn't you feature a successful African-American man or woman?" Not to mention the fact that "a meaningful multicultural dating show ... would more closely reflect modern interaction," he added.


... and you have yourself a controversy.

So anyway do you think the plaintiffs have a leg to stand on? Is there any point of showing interracial dating if no one wants to see it? Do we even care? Fears of the poor bachelor being put on the spot in a future season because he turned down the black chick? Does this still bother people in this day and age?

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This is blown way out of proportion.:14 (35.9%)
Legitimate gripe, sue 'em.:2 (5.1%)
Interracial stuff is icky either way.:1 (2.6%)
Why aren't there more fat chicks on the show?:22 (56.4%)
Total:39


This is one of those things I always watch with mild interest, hence my bringing it up in thread form I guess. I never caught more than a few episodes myself, and can't really consider myself a 'fan' of the series. As for the whole interracial dating thing, I'm about 13 years and two children past the point where that would be an issue for me, but often wonder how many people see it as something more unusual. Would the ratings dip if the bachelor was a black guy? What about Asian? I dunno, they're trying to sell a product I guess?

Thoughts? Smiley: flowers

Edited, Apr 20th 2012 9:54am by someproteinguy
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#3 Apr 20 2012 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Par for the course then? Smiley: grin
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#5 Apr 20 2012 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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Young minority viewers might end up watching a show like "The Bachelor" and thinking, 'I'm not good enough to get on this show...


Right, that's what it takes. Being good.

This whole thing gets one big Smiley: rolleyes from me.
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#6 Apr 20 2012 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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I think I'd be ok with my race not participating in this show.

Edit - I voted for more fat chicks just for Lollygax. He likes them big-boned gurls.

Edited, Apr 20th 2012 7:16pm by Elinda
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Racial quotas are stupid and the people getting upset about this are stupid.

Besides, it's television and who gives a **** about television?
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My 82 year old grandma loooooooooooves the Bachelor/ette. I'm sure ultimately either way won't ruin her life, but her delicate sensibilities probably prefer seeing the other European descendents compete (even though my uncle swears she is 1/2 Native American). Really, though, are African Americans really complaining that this really show isn't plucking the craziest of the marriage-crazy of their race and putting them behind a camera? Isn't that what Basketball Wives is for?
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Lets face it people will complain no matter what you do. I say tell the person to shut up and watch something else if they don't like it. Haters gonna hate, etc...

On a side note I want to see some chubby women on those kind of shows. Smiley: drool
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Its been scientifically proven that black chicks are ugly. Just ask Alma. No one wants to watch that.

Also, I voted that interracial stuff is icky. That's why I married Flea -- for the dirty, dirty wrong ***.

Edited, Apr 20th 2012 12:30pm by Jophiel
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Its been scientifically proven that black chicks are ugly. Just ask Alma. No one wants to watch that.


Not even black men. That's why the fat chick option has so many votes.
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Just ask Alma.
Can't. He got muted and, thankfully, never came back. That being said, if you invoking his name brings hm back, I'm going to camp you.
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Not even black men. That's why the fat chick option has so many votes.

I've seen that Iced Tea & Cocoa show... them cocoa black men are out to steal out our Southern iced tea drinking belles.
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I voted fat chicks because it best encompassed the overwhelming feeling of inanity and profound disappointment with society I got when I opened this post. I need to eat a pizza. Smiley: frown
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Jophiel wrote:
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Not even black men. That's why the fat chick option has so many votes.

I've seen that Iced Tea & Cocoa show... them cocoa black men are out to steal out our Southern iced tea drinking belles.

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I need to eat a pizza. Smiley: frown

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Jophiel wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
Not even black men. That's why the fat chick option has so many votes.

I've seen that Iced Tea & Cocoa show... them cocoa black men are out to steal out our Southern iced tea drinking belles.


I kind of like that show...truly surreal to watch Ice T as an old geezer. He seems to spend half his day in a bathrobe and slippers, with a blanket over his lap, in front of the TV. I bet he has strong opinions about bingo.

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Can't. He got muted and, thankfully, never came back. That being said, if you invoking his name brings hm back, I'm going to camp you.


I missed that entirely. What'd he get muted for?

Second'd the karma kamping, btw. Watch your back Joph.

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I'm honestly surprised anyone read what he was saying closely enough to be offended and notice he deserved muting.
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The only TV racism I've seen lately that actually bothered me was a recent commercial for Golden Corral. If you're not in one of those markets or haven't seen it yet, it's an uppity while couple driving to dinner with their black friend couple riding in the back.

The white wife says out loud something to the effect of "You're going to LOVE this seafood restaurant we're going to, but it can be a tad pricey! And I hopfully we catch chef on a good night!" The black couple then looks at each other and bails out of the car at like 45mph and walks across the street to a Golden Corral.

I tried to find a copy of it online but apparently the original version (which contains some commentary from the black couple after they jump out, something to the effect of "this is more like it!") has been dutifully censored on youtube, so the best I could find was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcBX5bBNyyM
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm honestly surprised anyone read what he was saying closely enough to be offended and notice he deserved muting.
I only vaguley followed what happened but I think he basically picked an argument with Kao over something he did that got a warning and Kao backed up his warning. I think it was something about triple posting.
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That's the lamest mute ever if that's the case.
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IIRC, he accused Kao of profiling him, because he got yelled at for spamming. And then wouldn't drop it despite ample hints that he should.
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The only TV racism I've seen lately that actually bothered me was a recent commercial for Golden Corral. If you're not in one of those markets or haven't seen it yet, it's an uppity while couple driving to dinner with their black friend couple riding in the back.

The white wife says out loud something to the effect of "You're going to LOVE this seafood restaurant we're going to, but it can be a tad pricey! And I hopfully we catch chef on a good night!" The black couple then looks at each other and bails out of the car at like 45mph and walks across the street to a Golden Corral.

I tried to find a copy of it online but apparently the original version (which contains some commentary from the black couple after they jump out, something to the effect of "this is more like it!") has been dutifully censored on youtube, so the best I could find was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcBX5bBNyyM


I've seen the full version on TV many times. I don't find it racist...
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Seriously guys, shut the **** up. You're taunting him now. If he comes back I'm going to burn Ugly's house down.
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IIRC, he accused Kao of profiling him, because he got yelled at for spamming.


You know those colored folk, always triple-posting.
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Seriously guys, shut the @#%^ up. You're taunting him now. If he comes back I'm going to burn Ugly's house down.

Psh, I have him ignored. Smiley: lol
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The only TV racism I've seen lately that actually bothered me was a recent commercial for Golden Corral.

I've seen the full version on TV many times. I don't find it racist...


Context is everything, I guess. There are many elements that could be perceived as racist, some of which even I (a middle class white person) picked up on.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
IIRC, he accused Kao of profiling him, because he got yelled at for spamming.


You know those colored folk, always triple-posting.


Must be used to filling out those welfare forms in triplicate.
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#33 Apr 20 2012 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
I wasn't privy to the situation, but my guess would be that he was muted and told he'd be unmuted if he apologized, or promised to try to avoid triple posting and he wasn't willing to. Sounds like alma anyway
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IIRC, he accused Kao of profiling him, because he got yelled at for spamming.
You know those colored folk, always triple-posting.
Must be used to filling out those welfare forms in triplicate.
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Seriously guys, shut the @#%^ up. You're taunting him now. If he comes back I'm going to burn Ugly's house down.
WTF? I'm not the one who brought his name up in the first place. And offering to burn my house down could be an incentive for others here.
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BrownDuck wrote:
The only TV racism I've seen lately that actually bothered me was a recent commercial for Golden Corral. If you're not in one of those markets or haven't seen it yet, it's an uppity while couple driving to dinner with their black friend couple riding in the back.

The white wife says out loud something to the effect of "You're going to LOVE this seafood restaurant we're going to, but it can be a tad pricey! And I hopfully we catch chef on a good night!" The black couple then looks at each other and bails out of the car at like 45mph and walks across the street to a Golden Corral.

I tried to find a copy of it online but apparently the original version (which contains some commentary from the black couple after they jump out, something to the effect of "this is more like it!") has been dutifully censored on youtube, so the best I could find was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcBX5bBNyyM


I've seen the full version on TV many times. I don't find it racist...


Same here. Probably because I would be with the couple that jumped, not because Golden Corral is what I would call "good food", but because the couple in front were acting like tools. -shrug-
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm honestly surprised anyone read what he was saying closely enough to be offended and notice he deserved muting.
I only vaguley followed what happened but I think he basically picked an argument with Kao over something he did that got a warning and Kao backed up his warning. I think it was something about triple posting.


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That's the lamest mute ever if that's the case.
I almost wanted to point it out the other day when gbaji triple posted in some thread but I didn't.

I really don't care about the racial issues regarding these shows. If their biggest demographic wants to see white couples and they'll lose more viewers than they'll gain by forcing interracial couples, why should they be forced to do so?
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BrownDuck wrote:
The only TV racism I've seen lately that actually bothered me was a recent commercial for Golden Corral. If you're not in one of those markets or haven't seen it yet, it's an uppity while couple driving to dinner with their black friend couple riding in the back.

The white wife says out loud something to the effect of "You're going to LOVE this seafood restaurant we're going to, but it can be a tad pricey! And I hopfully we catch chef on a good night!" The black couple then looks at each other and bails out of the car at like 45mph and walks across the street to a Golden Corral.

I tried to find a copy of it online but apparently the original version (which contains some commentary from the black couple after they jump out, something to the effect of "this is more like it!") has been dutifully censored on youtube, so the best I could find was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcBX5bBNyyM


I've seen the full version on TV many times. I don't find it racist...


Same here. Probably because I would be with the couple that jumped, not because Golden Corral is what I would call "good food", but because the couple in front were acting like tools. -shrug-


That's pretty much how I saw it. The black couple were being the smart ones, and ditching the couple trying to act 'cool' by going to the special trendy restaraunt that was pricey with an ******* chef (a good chef!).

And for the record, the few times I've gone to Golden Corral, I enjoyed it.
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That's the lamest mute ever if that's the case.

well to be fair picking a fight with Kao is asking to be muted/banned
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That's the lamest mute ever if that's the case.

well to be fair picking a fight with Kao is asking to be muted/banned


There's a phrase called "picking your battles". That goes for people in authority as well. This is why my husband got bant for calling out my rapist on numerous occasions. The oppression here is like a college campus. Rape and racial discrimination are rampant but discussion of it is squelched by the man.
#41 Apr 20 2012 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
I understand why the people who are upset by this are upset, but seriously, it's a stupid ******* dating reality show. Why does it matter? If you want to complain about lack of diversity on a show, complain about it for a real show.

I've never seen either of those shows, but I will admit to watching a few episodes here and there of the celebrity versions on VH1. Namely the first Flava Flav and the Tila Tequilia ones. They were both incredibly stupid as well, but at least they were a little entertaining too. I'll admit, sometimes the crazy can be funny as ****.
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If their biggest demographic wants to see white couples and they'll lose more viewers than they'll gain by forcing interracial couples, why should they be forced to do so?

Thomas Jefferson used to "force interracial couples", if you know what I mean. Why do you hate America and freedom and stuff?
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That's the lamest mute ever if that's the case.

well to be fair picking a fight with Kao is asking to be muted/banned


There's a phrase called "picking your battles". That goes for people in authority as well.


If you have an auto-win button I don't think you actually have to pick your battles.
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Besides, it's television and who gives a @#%^ about television?

This x over 9000.

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This is why my husband got bant for calling out my rapist on numerous occasions.
Wait...what? I thought he got bant for suggesting Kao might be a kiddie-diddler or some such?
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Besides, it's television and who gives a @#%^ about television?

This x over 9000.

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This is why my husband got bant for calling out my rapist on numerous occasions.
Wait...what? I thought he got bant for suggesting Kao might be a kiddie-diddler or some such?


Barkingturtle was, as previously repeatedly stated, banned for this post: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=4&mid=1297199847276642703&page=3&howmany=50#msg1297262092227302410 on top of a long and storied history of similar posts.

If someone raped you, the correct course of action is to contact law enforcement, have a restraining order issued and proceed accordingly. Making accusations or implications that someone on a forum committed a felony criminal offense against you in writing when you are not prepared to take the matter to law enforcement and proceed accordingly is unbelievably stupid for the record.
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