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#1 Apr 17 2012 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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They go to jail - handcuffed, just like you or I. Seems reasonable.

What seems unreasonable is being arrested for a having a temper-tantrum in your kindergarten class.

I realize this is just a media highlight story, but from what I see here, I'd say the principal when injured got angry and went overboard by calling the cops.

But heck maybe I'm just behind the times and they're building 6-year olds more dangerous than they used to.

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MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — Police in Georgia handcuffed a kindergartner after the girl threw a tantrum and the police chief defended the action.

The girl's family demanded today that this central Georgia city change its policy so that other children aren't treated the same way. They say the child was shaken up by being put in a cell at the police station.

Salecia Johnson, 6, was accused of tearing items off the walls and throwing furniture in an outburst Friday at Creekside Elementary School, Macon television station WMAZ-TV reported. Police said the girl knocked over a shelf that injured the principal.

The school called police. The police report says when an officer tried to calm the child in the principal's office, she resisted and was handcuffed. The girl was charged with simple assault and damage to property.

Police Chief Dray Swicord says the department's policy is to handcuff people in certain situations.

"Our policy states that any detainee transported to our station in a patrol vehicle is to be handcuffed in the back and there is no age discrimination on that rule," Milledgeville Police Chief Dray Swicord told WMAZ.

The girl's aunt, Candace Ruff, went with the child's mother to pick her up from the police station. She Salecia was by herself in a holding cell and complained about the handcuffs.

"She said they were really tight. She said they really hurt her wrists," Ruff told the Associated Press. "She was so shaken up when we went there to pick her up."

Officials at Creekside Elementary did not immediately return calls today.

"We would not like to see this happen to another child, because it's horrifying. It's devastating," Ruff said.

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#2 Apr 17 2012 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
But heck maybe I'm just behind the times and they're building 6-year olds more dangerous than they used to.


Maybe, I'm still trying to reconcile "6 year old girl" with "throwing furniture."
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the Ap wrote:
"Our policy states that any detainee transported to our station in a patrol vehicle is to be handcuffed in the back and there is no age discrimination on that rule," Milledgeville Police Chief Dray Swicord told WMAZ.
That's standard policy for pretty much all law enforcement. I take it a step further; Unless I know you on a personal level, you want a ride in my patrol vehicle anywhere for any reason you get cuffed and strapped in. Don't care what your age, race, or how religious you are. I simply don't trust people enough to put myself in any type of unnecessary risk. A little kid throwing a temper tantrum in the back seat while I'm trying to drive? No question. How would I know she wouldn't just grab my seat belt while I'm driving and cause an accident? The cuffs probably hurt the girl because she was trying to get out of them.

As far as putting the kid in a cell? Well, where else are they going to put her?
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"We would not like to see this happen to another child, because it's horrifying. It's devastating,"
Good. Maybe she'll think twice before knocking book cases over on top of people. Maybe if her parents did any actual parenting this wouldn't have happened.
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#4 Apr 17 2012 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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"We would like to see this happen to another child, because they're horrifying and devastating," Ruff said.


Humor aside my daughter does part-time daycare at our gym, & apparently they need Hannibal Lecter masks as well, recently a 3 yr. old severly bit another toddler on the cheek (& wouldnt let go). Handcuffs are policy for the protection of arrestee as well as others, kids especially, as any pain compliance technique or bodily restraint is probably illegal, and at the least would look really bad.
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#5 Apr 17 2012 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
I think that shaken up is probably a good state for the kit to be in, if they were unable to calm here in the principles office and with the police there, then there is a problem somewhere.
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#6 Apr 17 2012 at 9:46 AM Rating: Default
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Terrifyingspeed wrote:
Handcuffs are policy for the protection of arrestee as well as others, kids especially, as any pain compliance technique or bodily restraint is probably illegal, and at the least would look really bad.
I don't question the handcuffs or the cell. I wonder what this 6 year old did that caused the principal of her school to call the police and have her arrested.

I wonder if that is SOP?

Seems like you could put her in a room for a time-out, call a parent, or any number of things to subdue the child that don't involve arrest, handcuffs and jail cells.
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#7 Apr 17 2012 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
I wonder what this 6 year old did that caused the principal of her school to call the police and have her arrested.
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the Ap wrote:
Police said the girl knocked over a shelf that injured the principal.
Call it a hunch, but I bet that had something to do with it.
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#8 Apr 17 2012 at 9:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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I liked this one:

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She has mood swings some days, which all of us had mood swings some days. I guess that was just one of her bad days that day.




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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the law in most states that children under the age of seven are incapable of understanding the ramifications of negative actions sufficient for it to be considered criminal? Sure, what she did was wrong. But was she capable of actually understanding the mortal repercussions of her actions (at least with regards to the law)?

And why the **** didn't anyone call her parents to calm her down?
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#10 Apr 17 2012 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And why the **** didn't anyone call her parents to calm her down?


They tried, but were unable to reach them. Got that from here.

Edited, Apr 17th 2012 9:02am by someproteinguy
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But was she capable of actually understanding the mortal repercussions of her actions (at least with regards to the law)?
No, but more than capable of understanding that her behaviour was wrong and unacceptable. Especially after being removed from the classroom. I'm guessing that child has more sever issues that the parent hasn't been dealing with beyond, "Oh she's 6, she'll grow out of it".
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Candace Ruff wrote:
"We would not like to see this happen to another child, because it's horrifying. It's devastating,"
Good. Maybe she'll think twice before knocking book cases over on top of people. Maybe if her parents did any actual parenting this wouldn't have happened.
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someproteinguy wrote:
I liked this one:

Constance Ruff wrote:
She has mood swings some days, which all of us had mood swings some days. I guess that was just one of her bad days that day.


I'm sure she's just an Indigo Child.
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someproteinguy wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And why the **** didn't anyone call her parents to calm her down?


They tried, but were unable to reach them. Got that from here.

Kinda a loose end the original article failed to tie up.

Edited, Apr 17th 2012 9:02am by someproteinguy


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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But was she capable of actually understanding the mortal repercussions of her actions (at least with regards to the law)?
No, but more than capable of understanding that her behaviour was wrong and unacceptable. Especially after being removed from the classroom. I'm guessing that child has more sever issues that the parent hasn't been dealing with beyond, "Oh she's 6, she'll grow out of it".


Yeah, I don't think she was completely unaware that what she was doing was wrong. I'm just extremely confused by the charges filed against her. By all means, fine the parents for destruction of public property. But to charge a child with assault just strikes me as crazy. The second linked article says she won't need to go to court because of her age, so I'm assuming Georgia's cutoff age is lower.

They suspended the kid until August. What the **** do they expect that to accomplish, I wonder? That she's going to spend the next 4 months contemplating her misdeeds?

She probably needs therapy if she's having mood swings that are this violent.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
hey suspended the kid until August. What the **** do they expect that to accomplish, I wonder? That she's going to spend the next 4 months contemplating her misdeeds?

She probably needs therapy if she's having mood swings that are this violent.
Her parents are going to ***** and moan and make it a public debacle and blame everyone but themselves and their kid, and it's so easy to make anyone not a child into a villain (because children and their parents are automatically innocent) that she'll be accepted back into the school or into another school district and nothing will really be done. Soon we'll hear about a seven year old who didn't get the last slice of pizza during lunch and assaulted someone with a tray being cuffed and detained and we'll be back to blaming the school officials and the police and whoever else we can think of to distract from the real problem.
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Her parents are going to ***** and moan and make it a public debacle and blame everyone but themselves and their kid, and it's so easy to make anyone not a child into a villain ([sm].....
Yes, I see how you just villified these parents.

What precludes a parent from being responsible for an unruly child and still ***** and moan if the same child kids school has her arrested?

Are you suggesting that a 'good' parent wouldn't question why the school had their 6 year old daughter arrested?
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Elinda wrote:
Are you suggesting that a 'good' parent wouldn't question why the school had their 6 year old daughter arrested?
A good parent wouldn't shrug off their child's excessive behaviour as being a "bad day".


Edited, Apr 17th 2012 2:26pm by Uglysasquatch
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I find it hard to believe that a 6 year old got so out of control that the school deemed it necessary to call the police. But even so it hints at some much more severe issues with the child and I think both the child and her parents need psychological help to deal with it.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Are you suggesting that a 'good' parent wouldn't question why the school had their 6 year old daughter arrested?
A good parent wouldn't shrug off their child's excessive behaviour as being a "bad day".


Edited, Apr 17th 2012 2:26pm by Uglysasquatch


The mother agrees that she may have misbehaved. Way to pick your soundbites. Smiley: rolleyes

The mother didn't however go on to say how or if she would have punished her daughter.

Regardless, my question wasn't about the child's behavior it was about the schools. Should the act of having a 6 year old arrested by school officials be scrutinized by the child's parents?

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Regardless, my question wasn't about the child's behavior it was about the schools. Should the act of having a 6 year old arrested by school officials be scrutinized by the child's parents?

That's kind of a silly question, don't you think?
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Should the act of having a 6 year old arrested by school officials be scrutinized by the child's parents?
Of course it should. But the parent should also take in to consideration, their specific child. I can think of a child my wife was doing child care for last year, who I've been fully expecting to hear a story in the newspaper about. Something along the lines of this one. And the mother of that child simply refused to deal with her child's issues.
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Total speculation:

I wouldn't be surprised if the school district has a policy that compels them to call the police in these kinds of situations if they are unable to get in contact with the parents. I imagine they probably haven't applied it to a girl in kindergarten however.

Anyway, my daughter's school requires that we have emergency contact phone numbers that can be reached at any time. There's 3 numbers on the list, and the idea is that someone with legal permission to pickup the child from school be available at all times. My understanding is that it's more for injuries, bad weather, and the like, but given that I just find it surprising they couldn't get in touch with the parents at all.
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Elinda wrote:
Regardless, my question wasn't about the child's behavior it was about the schools. Should the act of having a 6 year old arrested by school officials be scrutinized by the child's parents?

That's kind of a silly question, don't you think?

There are no silly questions. Only silly answers. Smiley: jester

Edited, Apr 17th 2012 7:41pm by Elinda
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Total speculation:

I wouldn't be surprised if the school district has a policy that compels them to call the police in these kinds of situations if they are unable to get in contact with the parents. I imagine they probably haven't applied it to a girl in kindergarten however.

It's probably school policy to call the police just as a CYA, the police having all sorts of training and protocols in proper restraint/treatment of suspects/detainees/etc.

The real question is whether or not the school policy is appropriate. Realistically, probably not; as a legal protection, probably.
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The real question is whether or not the school policy is appropriate. Realistically, probably not; as a legal protection, probably.
Is there, where if I were an American conservative, I'd start shouting about Tort Reform?
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Demea wrote:
The real question is whether or not the school policy is appropriate. Realistically, probably not; as a legal protection, probably.


Yeah I can see this coming up now. You know, one of those instances where a policy gets written up with good intentions, and then you come across a situation later that no one really thought of, or thought they'd run into at least.
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