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#227 May 03 2012 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I think it's dumb that you have to be a human noble to marry Alistair in the game. I'd be less annoyed if they'd let a human mage be queen as well. But I think that if you harden him, Alistair should stand up for his love and make me queen even if I'm an elf damn it!


That's a matter of Ferelden law. They don't actually have any laws about illegitimate succession--that's more of a modern social thing in the nation. Allistair muddled his claim to the throne by becoming a Grey Warden, not by being a *******. Technically, Wardens can't hold titles, but the Landsmeet sorta compromises. Alistair doesn't actually become king, he becomes Prince Consort and "resigns" as a Grey Warden.

The laws against Mages holding titles is much stricter, and a Mage can't "resign" as a Mage, so its no surprise that you can't become Queen. They're already stretching the law thin to allow Alistair, no way they're going to stretch it any further, particularly for an Elven or Mage Queen. That would just be begging for future civil war. The Human Noble actually enhances his position, being the daughter of a highly-respected Teyrn, so it's a completely different story.

As for inter-species children, Elf + Human children appear fully human, so it is seen as a betrayal (there's a very good chance that Alistair is actually the child of an Elven Mage Warden named Fiona, who didn't want Maric to tell Alistair where he came from out of shame for being what she is). It's confirmed, somewhere, that half-Dwarves are possible (but incredibly rare, due to Dwarven cultural prohibitions). Wiki doesn't say anything about half-Dwarf, half-Elf children. I'm going to guess they almost never happen--there are already strong prohibitions against relations outside their cultures on both sides, and these two groups would have far less contact than with Humans.
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#228 May 03 2012 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, but sometimes you're a dwarf and you're tlaking to some red-haired elf chick about her loser boyfriend and, before you know it, you're deep into the Dalish forest if you know what I mean...
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#229 May 03 2012 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
I suppose that makes sense, but it's still irritating. I guess I'll have to break up with him and see if I can get Leliana interested in me again. Smiley: grin If not her, then I could always go for the man ****.

And Oghren called me ugly the other day. I was pretty put off by that. This is not an ugly face. Oh well, he's got weird taste as a dwarf I suppose.
#230 May 03 2012 at 6:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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There is a mod that allows Alitair and Anora to marry non-humans.
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#231 May 03 2012 at 8:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now onward to DA2 I suppose. I'll try to keep an open mind.

Keeping an open mind about the action-y combat and "Pick a vague response and we'll tell you what you really said" conversation wheel but Flemeth with leather armor and horn-hair isn't helping Smiley: mad
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#232 May 03 2012 at 8:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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It gets better. Smiley: laugh

Can't speak for the Y side, but the female snarky/sarcastic answers are almost always the way to go for lulz.
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#233 May 03 2012 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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I have a HUGE crush on the sarcastic/charming male Hawke.

And Pigtails, you can still be his mistress as long as you harden him.
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#234 May 03 2012 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I almost rage quit at first when I thought I couldn't edit my character model Smiley: laugh
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#235 May 03 2012 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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I'm actually a big fan of the two default models, but I might download one of the mods that lets you edit them. Right now it's all or nothing. Would be interesting to experiment with some of the features.
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#236 May 03 2012 at 8:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, I would have liked to change the hair or something but I noticed you can't edit the default. I have a particular look/name I usually go with for my first play-throughs in these sorts of games so I had to start from scratch.
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#237 May 03 2012 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
Can I be a mistress with a mistress/paramour? Smiley: grin
#238 May 03 2012 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
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There are ways to avoid being forced to choose between one or the other with Alistair and Leliana. It wasn't intended by design, but its possible without mods. So you can end up as his mistress, and then also be in a relationship with Leliana.

Nobles can also marry for purely political reasons and keep their romances on the side. I don't think Leliana needs to be hardened, either. Morrigan will end the relationship anyway. And Zevran obviously wouldn't have an issue with that.

As for Alistair, obviously not, because only male characters can marry Anora.
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#239 May 04 2012 at 12:20 AM Rating: Good
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It gets better. Smiley: laugh

Can't speak for the Y side, but the female snarky/sarcastic answers are almost always the way to go for lulz.
Male snarky is the best, IMO. Especially when talking to the Count(or whatever his title was) after his son dies. Aveline calling you on it was hilarious too.
#240 May 04 2012 at 5:25 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, I had already ****** that up, so the only way for me to get involved with Leliana again would be to end it with Alistair. I probably could have managed starting up an affair with Zevran before I finished the game, but ah well. I'll let my dwarf princess be the ****. But yeah, just finished beating the game, so yay! I ended up choosing to go along with Morrigan's idea, and that was... interesting to say the least. I almost thought they were going to let me watch there for a second. Smiley: lol Do you ever hear anything about the consequences of that decision in Awakenings or DA2?
#241 May 04 2012 at 6:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Can I be a mistress with a mistress/paramour? Smiley: grin



You can if you play your cards right.
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#242 May 04 2012 at 6:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you ever hear anything about the consequences of that decision in Awakenings or DA2?


No, but at the end of DA2 the child would only be 10 or so. Maybe in DA3!
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#243 May 04 2012 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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Do you ever hear anything about the consequences of that decision in Awakenings or DA2?


No, but at the end of DA2 the child would only be 10 or so. Maybe in DA3!


I'd bet a lot of money that Flemeth and Morrigan are key players in DA3, particularly because the comics have recently vastly expanded the lore on Witches of the Wild.
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#244 May 04 2012 at 7:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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No, but at the end of DA2 the child would only be 10 or so.

Speaking of, in DA2, my character escapes Lotherin, gets carted to the sea, takes a boat to K-whatever and joins the mercenary company. During the year I'm with them, the Blight is ended by my DA:O character.

In DA:O, my mage leaves the tower, fights at Ostegar, gets rescued by Flemeth, goes to Lotherin (here DA2 starts) and then the Mage Tower and picks up Wynne. When we're back in camp, Wynne says it's been year since I left the Tower. So that's a year between the start of the game and finishing the first major "treaty" quest. Then I have to do Redcliff, Orzammar, etc etc all leading up to the final battle and that's not even counting Warden's Keep & the village with Shale.

(A) This makes me wonder how long I was in recovery at Flemeth's. The only way the time would work would be if most of that year was spend in a coma since...
(B) You could say most of the time was taken up in travel but Redcliff to Denerim is around three or four days given the march at the end to save the city. I didn't eat up a full year walking back and forth across Ferelden.
(C) I'm not actually worried about it. I just found it interesting. The obvious answer is no one worried about it when writing DA2.

Edited, May 4th 2012 8:05am by Jophiel
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#245 May 04 2012 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Well, you flee Lothering when it has already been destroyed, more or less. So that marks the start of the journey as the point where the Warden first completes one of the major mission objectives. Then, you have to get to Gwaren, in the far Southeast, take ship, and sail to Kirkwall. The year of service starts there, and you don't know how long after getting out of service the rest of the Act takes place. I'm guessing it's not the next day, but more like a month.

You can probably figure, then, that the Warden has completed two objectives by the time you even leave the nation. You also know that, by the time you arrive in Kirkwall, they had been taking in refugees for months. People probably didn't start fleeing until after Ostagar, and it probably took time for the Hawke family to actually get on a boat.

In game, the Archdemon is defeated in the same year Hawke's expedition launches, so you can imagine the blight has only been over a short while.

The bigger issue is that the conversation with Wynne wasn't actually triggered by progressing a certain amount into the story, but by completing a specific check. If you complete the Mage Tower last, Wynne still says its been a year.
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#246 May 04 2012 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, like I said. I don't think they sweated the potential for messed up chronology. After all, in theory I could spend "five years" just doing laps around the country if I wanted to, just visiting Denerim, Orzammar, Redcliff, Flemet's hut and back to Denerim. Wouldn't make sense, but I could.
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#247 May 04 2012 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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Do you ever hear anything about the consequences of that decision in Awakenings or DA2?


No, but at the end of DA2 the child would only be 10 or so. Maybe in DA3!


I'd bet a lot of money that Flemeth and Morrigan are key players in DA3, particularly because the comics have recently vastly expanded the lore on Witches of the Wild.


That would be sweet! Where did you find the comics? I want to know more about the Witches of the Wild.
#248 May 04 2012 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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I dunno if they're being uploaded online--I've just been reading the synopses on the wiki.
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#249 May 04 2012 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure a certain bay of pirates would be able to help you out.
#250 May 04 2012 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, I'l probably go ask those pirate folks. I just figured if there was a place online to go read them, I'd do that instead because it'd be less effort.
#251 May 04 2012 at 4:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Wynne says it's been year since I left the Tower.


I just assumed she was senile.

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