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#252 May 04 2012 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
I just started Dragon Age 2, and omg! I love the way Flemeth looks in the game. So bad ***. And the game is so pretty!
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I love the way Flemeth looks in the game. So bad ***.

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#254 May 05 2012 at 3:53 AM Rating: Good
Well she looks a **** of a lot better than she did in DA:O. Although I'll admit, seeing old lady cleavage not look like old lady cleavage is kinda weird.
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#255 May 05 2012 at 4:04 AM Rating: Good
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Well, she's a shapeshifter.
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#256 May 05 2012 at 6:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well she looks a **** of a lot better than she did in DA:O. Although I'll admit, seeing old lady cleavage not look like old lady cleavage is kinda weird.

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#257 May 05 2012 at 10:40 PM Rating: Good
Oh no, I remember that too. We just never saw Flemeth cleavage in DA:O, so it caught me a bit off guard.
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#258 May 06 2012 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
She still has that gravely chain-smoker voice too. ****.
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#259 May 06 2012 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
So what kind of party set ups are/did people using for DA 2? I'm playing a mage, and currently I'm using Aveline for my tank, Varric for unlocking chests and CC, and Fenris for a warrior dps. I haven't recruited the other people just yet, but I will be soon. I'm thinking of sticking Anders in for Fenris, as I'm lazy and don't like to heal. I know he doesn't have access to the spirit healer tree, but thus far healing hasn't been an issue.
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#260 May 06 2012 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
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Anders gets his own healing tree variant. He's actually the game's only healer, if Hawke isn't a Mage.

Fenris makes a viable dps-based tank, if you either double up on healers or make a more thorough use of CC. Doesn't matter on the lower difficulties though.

Aveline can become super resilient if you want her to be. But, unlike Fenris, she has very limited AoE (Fenris' greatsword hits enemies in an arc, and he'll get AoE skills).

Sebastian and Varric are solid characters, and more or less interchangeable. Good single target damage and AoE. Both much better, strategically, than Isabela is. She's very meh, in my opinion.

Merrill is the odd one. She's a Mage, but she can't heal. Unlike Anders, she gets access to Entropy. And she uses Blood Magic. She can be, easily, the sturdiest character in the group. But I generally find her lacking if you don't intend to make good use of cross-class combos or CC.
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(re: DA2) WTF is up with all the worthwhile gear being tied to me? That's ******* me off.
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#262 May 06 2012 at 11:59 PM Rating: Good
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They did away with armor customization so they could give companions more distinct looks and eliminate that apsect of micromanagement. I generally approved of the change, though there were definitely times I missed the old system. Still, the benched companions were generally just wearing some random piece of armor so they stayed clothed. Was always annoying at the final battle, when I'd have to fight with pitiful gear.
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That's stupid. If figuring out that this armor is better that that armor is too hard, people should stick to Solitaire. All it does is take options away from me.

There's no need for the armor to change the models so that's a stupid excuse as well.

Edited, May 7th 2012 1:16am by Jophiel
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I love the way Flemeth looks in the game. So bad ***.

You're dead to me.


I just started playing DA2 last night, and I have to echo Jophiel on this one. My mental commentary so far has been:

"Man, I suck at this combat."

"Templars can get married?? I seem to recall hearing they couldn't. That whole issue with the desire demon and the templar in the Circle Tower?"

"Bye Sis. I hardly knew you. Literally."

"WHAT THE F*CK DID THEY DO TO FLEMETH!?"


So far it seems ok; feels very much like a Dragon Age game. I don't like Flemeth's make-over. I prefer the semi-rambling snarky hunch-backed crone in the woods to the "Whoosh, I'm a dragon and my hair requires three tubes of gel to stay like this!" look.
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#265 May 07 2012 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's stupid. If figuring out that this armor is better that that armor is too hard, people should stick to Solitaire. All it does is take options away from me.

There's no need for the armor to change the models so that's a stupid excuse as well.

Edited, May 7th 2012 1:16am by Jophiel


This was a really common complaint on the forums. And yeah, it's pointless. Either make the armor level with the character, or let the player decide who uses what gear.
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#266 May 07 2012 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and I fanwanked away the Flemeth changes by deciding she was hiding in the swamp, and now she's her true form.

Wait til you see Qunari.

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Oh, and I fanwanked away the Flemeth changes by deciding she was hiding in the swamp, and now she's her true form.

Wait til you see Qunari.
Seriously. With what changed with them, Flemeth's changes are nothing. And I pretty much assumed the same about it being her true form.
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#268 May 07 2012 at 6:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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I heard they have horns now and Sten was supposedly "different" for not having them. Of course, neither did any of the many Qunari mercenaries you fought or the Qunari merchant in Awakening. Must be a pretty common recessive gene.

I'll fanwank away Flemeth by deciding my DA:O character had to kill her for crimes against fashion and good taste.

Edited, May 7th 2012 8:00am by Jophiel
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I think DA:O actually established the fact that Qunari have horns, and Sten was sent to investigate the south specifically because he could fit in more easily. Of course, all the Qunari mercenaries you fought didn't have them easier, but I'm thinking that was just a time issue.

I'm using this mod that makes Sten look more like a hornless Qunari, rather than just a big human.

Some people hate them, but I really like the way they reworked the elves.

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I think DA:O actually established the fact that Qunari have horns, and Sten was sent to investigate the south specifically because he could fit in more easily. Of course, all the Qunari mercenaries you fought didn't have them easier, but I'm thinking that was just a time issue.

I recall reading that it was a retcon. The DA wiki says it was intended but left out because it interfered with Sten wearing a helmet. The Codex entry for Sten doesn't mention him being special this way and the entry for Qunari starts with...
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Anyone who travels far enough to the north will eventually encounter the Qunari: White-haired, bronze-skinned giants, a head again taller than a man, with frighteningly calm demeanors and a sort of sparkling fire behind their eyes.
...which would seem the time to say "Oh, and they have horns." None of Sten's dialogue mentions it either. I think they just skipped the horn idea entirely in DA:O and retconned the idea back into DA2.

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Regardless of whether she stays dead, I killed her and have the screen shots with her corpse to prove it Smiley: grin

Edited, May 7th 2012 10:09am by Jophiel
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Finished DA:O. I was pretty worried leading up to that last fight, and ended up being a little disappointed;expecting there to be a bit more to it. Given that I had some problems with the fights against the generals, I was surprised the dragon fight seemed pretty routine. All those healing and mana pots I saved will collect dust I guess. But having Alistair sleep with Morrigan and coming across Sandal surrounded by dead darkspawn both put a smile on my face.

Started over again. The Dalish starting area was a little odd. Maybe I missed something, but that mirror thing seemed unrelated to anything else having to do with darkspawn. I dunno, maybe I missed something though? Sad day at not being able to call my pet in the fade. Smiley: frown

Decided to see how good the dog is as a tank. I'm hoping that between dog and whatever pet my ranger has we'll be ok. Should be fun. Smiley: grin

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#272 May 07 2012 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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The mirror has a deeper place in the plot (well, not THAT mirror, necessarily), but it doesn't come in until Witch Hunt and DA2. Merrill, that keeper in the Dalish camp, is one of Hawke's companions in the second game.
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The mirror has a deeper place in the plot (well, not THAT mirror, necessarily), but it doesn't come in until Witch Hunt and DA2. Merrill, that keeper in the Dalish camp, is one of Hawke's companions in the second game.


Aww well now I'm going to have to play DA2 at some point so this all makes sense... Smiley: lol
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Witch Hunt should be sufficient, for the moment at least.
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That's like extra content you pay to download or something?
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That's like extra content you pay to download or something?
If you bought the same package off of Amazon as X and I, then you jsut need to patch the game and it'll give you those for free*.







*Technically, you paid for it with your $10 purchase of the game

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If you bought the same package off of Amazon as X and I, then you jsut need to patch the game and it'll give you those for free*.


Smiley: thumbsup

Well alrighty then, I'll have to give that a try. I hadn't wanted to deal with the whole online thing after all the difficulties getting to game to run in the first place. Sounds like it's worth another shot.
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You access Witch Hunt under "Other Content" or something like that from the main menu. It's a stand-alone sort of thing, not embedded in the main game like Return to Ostegar or Warden's Keep.
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Xsarus linked to it on the other thread we had going, near the beginning of page 2 or 3. I'd go find it and repost it here, but that's typically something I get other people to do for me.
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#280 May 07 2012 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
Speaking of online issues, DA2 doesn't seem to be able to detect my internet connection. Every time I go to the main menu it gives me an error about how I have to be connected to the internet to log in, and if I try to go log in, I get the same error. It's weird.

I don't care for the make over they gave the elves either. I suppose it's good that they look much more distinct from humans than they did in DAO, but now they just look, anorexic and freakish. Well, all except for Merrill and Fenris. And omg, is he hot. I have a thing for pretty, dark and brooding guys. =x
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I've only seen one elf (or at least only paid attention to one) -- the poison vendor guy. He looked like the love child of the dork virgin elf in DA:O and Gizmo from Gremlins.
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I like their makeover a lot, actually. It makes them distinct. I thought they looked way more anorexic before--they were just really skinny humans with pointy ears.
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For DA:O there's just something about the elves. The face maybe, it's just not right. I can't put my finger on it, but after creating my 2nd elf I can't seem to make a face that I actually like. The angled and rigid jawbones perhaps? I dunno, just seems wrong.
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I liked my DA:O elf except that the lighting in the creator isn't great and I wound up going with a more whorish looking eye shadow than I would have. Wasn't bad enough to make me reroll after trudging through the Circle game start though.

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#285 May 07 2012 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
The elves in DAO were only slightly more skinny looking to me than the humans. That and as protein said, their faces are a bit more angular, but that's it. Frankly, I don't think my elf looks like an elf, aside from the ears. But I do think they went too far with making them look distinct in DA2. I just feel like they could have done something to make them look different but still normal I guess? I've read plenty of complaints about how the game overall feels like it was rushed though, so they probably just didn't give themselves time to really flesh out the elf design.
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Kinda regretting my choice to make a mage in DA2... are they weak compared to the other classes? None of the magic really stands out and heal has a 40 second cooldown. Thinking I might stick with it, just for kicks; Primal a good tree to go in? And maybe Elemental? All I've heard so far is that Force is fantastic once you can choose a specialization; but spirit healer and blood mage are both lackluster.
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#287 May 07 2012 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
There's a mod to shorten the CD's on spells, because yeah, it's ridiculous. Primal is good, but elemental seems to be better. With your ice spells, you can brittle enemies, which then enables rogues and warriors to do a crazy amount of damage on them. Plus from what I've read, Firestorm is the biggest damage AoE in the game. Or at least for the mages. I don't think mages are weak, they just aren't as OP as they were in Origins. The OP class now is dual weapon rogues.
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Mages are decent. I liked Primal a lot, and if you heal it spares you having to have Anders with you all the time.
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Kinda regretting my choice to make a mage in DA2... are they weak compared to the other classes? None of the magic really stands out and heal has a 40 second cooldown. Thinking I might stick with it, just for kicks; Primal a good tree to go in? And maybe Elemental? All I've heard so far is that Force is fantastic once you can choose a specialization; but spirit healer and blood mage are both lackluster.


The extra damage from the smacking stuff repeatedly with your staff makes up a bit for the lower damage from the spells. Considering how the story plays out, I think Mage is probably the best class to play as in DA2.
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I think the story is much better as a Mage, personally.

That said, Mages definitely aren't the power houses they were in DA:O. But they aren't weaklings, either. They're just a LOT more about control.

Rogues give you amazing single target dps (particularly when talking about a DW Hawke). Wariors give solid close-range AoE DPS. Mages give great large-area AoE DPS, particularly when you have big groups. More importantly, they have a higher ability to control enemies and buff allies than the other classes.

Because Heal and potions both have a fairly long CD, you can't play DA2 the same way you could play DAO, falling back on them as a crutch. You need to be proactive with your defenses and avoid damage where possible. Mage is the best option for that control, and you really can't rely on an AI to provide it. If you're going to have to micromanage your Mage anyway, it might as well be Hawke. Particularly since he blows the other two Mages out of the water, having a much larger number of spell options.

You can still spec Hawke to be a stronger AoE damage dealer (with some somewhat powerful single target skills) but it will definitely require cross-class combos. He does have one of the better AoE CC combos, though.
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Yeah, that's an awkward retcon. The devs confirmed that the characters remarkably survive, because they felt it allowed them to tell a better story overall. Was oddly refreshing to hear them openly admit to a retcon. If you demand continuity, just think Justice possessed that body as he was dying or something.

If it makes you feel better, he may have died in the epilogue because of a glitch. It's possible you were fully upgraded and the game didn't register it, which is one of the more annoying bugs with Awakening.
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#295 May 08 2012 at 3:23 AM Rating: Good
Slept with Isabella already. Rawr. Smiley: grin
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If you demand continuity, just think Justice possessed that body as he was dying or something.

That doesn't really fit the narrative either but what can you do. I understand the comments about the game that it's not a bad game, it just doesn't hold up to the original. It's no one major thing, just a lot of little things that have me feeling more detached from my character, from the other NPCs and from the plot. I won't bore you with a laundry list of minor gripes but the cumulative effect is that the game may have been "better" under a different title that didn't invite comparisons, especially when it goes out of its way to drop in old characters.
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#297 May 08 2012 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
So far the thing that has annoyed me most is all the **** side quests. Normally, it doesn't bother me but in the first act of the game it felt like I HAD to do all these side quests to get enough money to get on the Deep Roads expedition. And most of the side quests just haven't been that interesting so far. I hope the rest of the game isn't like that. I enjoy doing side quests, but I want to do them when I want to do them, and I don't want to feel like I have to do them, if that makes sense.
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You don't have to at all. You'll end up with 50g quite quickly, which makes further quests unnecessary. And if you don't want to do them at all, you don't have to--as long as you complete the core line (which doesn't even include recruiting anyone but Anders and Merrill, if I remember correctly) you'll have the option to move on by accepting a loan.

No reason you have to do any side quests.
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#299 May 08 2012 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
But if you don't do them before you go in the Deep Roads, are they there in Part 2? I was afraid that if I didn't do them, they would be gone and I'm a completionist, so I didn't want to run the risk of that happening. I ended up having 20g left over after I finished everything, aside from the loan quest which I didn't need.
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No, the side quests only last for one act. But you don't HAVE to do them. Some might affect what's available later. In general, they don't. They're mostly there to flesh out Hawke's character, establish the situation of Kirkwall in that act, and build on his (or her) relationship with the companions.

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Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people

lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
#301 May 09 2012 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Slept with Isabella already. Rawr. Smiley: grin
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Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
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