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#102 Apr 18 2012 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds like some one is jealous. To be quite frank Id wager it is possible Ann Romney does know a lot about economics. I mean she is at home with her children, that is lots of time to watch/read/listen to economic information. (yes that is speculation).

It's enough time to read about medicine too but I still wouldn't let her operate on me on that basis Smiley: grin


Well i didn't say she was an expert, but she could know a lot more than most about it. Really have no idea what she does in her free time. She could be some type of economics junky and reads book after book after book about it. Saying she has no idea what she is talking about because she is a SAHM who doesn't need to work and the family has millions of dollars is pretty speculative.

**** for all we know the entire romney family monetary situation could entirely be her doing. Hubby works, she handles the money.

Non news is stupid news, this story screams yahoo headliner.


No, she rides dressage horses in her spare time. This was confirmed by Romney himself in the leaked Fox interview excerpt.


Disregarding the fact that rdm has no idea what he's talking about, horsebackriding is not a hobby that takes all your free time.
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And if she's managing to do it while having MS, I really respect her for it. Having a rather good idea what MS is like, she's battling through enormous physical difficulty to hang on to something in her life that gives it meaning.

I know that what Mitt Romney said was pure political rhetoric. But by invoking her name in a rhetorical context while campaigning for Presidential office, he himself has made her a political subject for public scrutiny.
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For someone who doesn't have to budget money, and has never worked a job (so they have no understanding of what it's like to know you make less than the guy next to you, just because he has a *****), to claim to have any sort of expertise when it comes to economic matters, is just ludicrous to me.


just putting it out there, as a stay at home mom by choice, most SAHM's are in charge of budgeting money and learning how to pinch a penny. We gotta keep those bon bons coming in somehow.


If Romney has his wife in charge of their mega millions, he's doing it wrong.

she's not buying the bon bons, is she?
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I know that what Mitt Romney said was pure political rhetoric. But by invoking her name in a rhetorical context while campaigning for Presidential office, he himself has made her a political subject for public scrutiny.

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No, she rides dressage horses in her spare time.


So does my fiance. Check yo'self before ya wreck yo'self, cat.
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I'd ask what you meant then by "your fiance" but, that's right... Mormon. Gonna need a bigger stable for all those dressage horses for your wives.

Although, you're going to want another "e" on there unless you're polyga-ma-***-marrying or something.

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No, she rides dressage horses in her spare time.


So does my fiance. Check yo'self before ya wreck yo'self, cat.


Yeah. Some are jumping on that comment (OMG! It was "leaked" after all, so it must be something they want to hide), but it's not like dressage is just something done by the idle rich. My sister does it, and is far far far from rich. Her husband works for one of the shipbuilding companies here in town, which is about as blue collar as it gets. She earns some money on the side teaching guitar part time.


I also found the whole equal pay Walker connection outrage incredibly weak and contrived. I particularly love these bits:

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Initially, it did not seem that the Romney campaign cared to answer. But that changed this morning when Huffington Post journalist Sam Stein asked during a conference call whether Romney supports the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the first bill signed into law by President Obama. The Romney aide’s answer: “Sam, we’ll get back to you on that.”


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Romney’s campaign did eventually confirm that Romney “supports pay equity and is not looking to change current law” but the damage was already done.


What damage? The damage between "this morning" and when you wrote the article later that day? Um... wow. That really is a long time to get an answer from a candidate. Oh wait. No. It really isn't.
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I'd ask what you meant then by "your fiance" but, that's right... Mormon. Gonna need a bigger stable for all those dressage horses for your wives.


I keep the wives in the stable as well. Efficiency!

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Although, you're going to want another "e" on there unless you're polyga-ma-***-marrying or something.


Ah, truthfully I didn't realize that the different spellings corresponded to different meanings. And I wonder why everyone thinks I'm a girl. Smiley: lol

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No, she rides dressage horses in her spare time.


So does my fiance. Check yo'self before ya wreck yo'self, cat.


iirc, Allegory does as well, so does my sister.

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Romney insults cookie.

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He'll lose quite a few points of the large blue monster demographic after Cookiegate.
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He'll lose quite a few points of the large blue monster demographic after Cookiegate.

This feels more like a Cookieloo than a Cookiegate.
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Someone must be getting scared of Romney if they're going this far to paint him badly. This is asinine.
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It took a while to get past the fact the article said "today at 10:13am" and it was only 8:50am when I started reading it.

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I liked their article on how much he likes firing people. Apparently he doesn't love it as much as was expected.
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The picture on that one is hilarious.
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I like to imagine the two ends of the meter to go from "I can't even leverage all these asset classes" to "I just filed my taxes, and paid 13.8%"
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Someone must be getting scared of Romney if they're going this far to paint him badly. This is asinine.


It's asinine, but it's just one symptom of a larger problem. It happened to Obama too, when he mentioned "arugula lettuce" and people took it as a sign that he was an elitist for suggesting that Americans eat anything besides good old iceburg. Arugula, aka rocket lettuce, has been an American salad staple for a couple centuries, but it just sounds all fancy pantsy.

Romney just doesn't understand how "little people" live, and he probably never will. Does it automatically mean he'll be a bad president? Of course not. Most presidents have come from the upper echelons of society since the country was founded.

I think Romney needs a Biden-type to bring him back to earth, though. Biden was the poorest Senator when he was tapped for VP. He rode the Amtrak and the Metro into DC every day so he could be with his kids in their suburban house in the evenings (because he couldn't afford that size house in DC proper.)

So he needs to find a moderately successful Republican who wasn't born with a silver spoon, and for whom store bought cookies are the norm. Ideally someone in the 98th percentile instead of the 99th one. If he picks another rich dynastic Richie Rich just like himself, he'll have twice the awkward comments and moments and twice the eye rolls from liberals.
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It's asinine, but it's just one symptom of a larger problem.

Yeah, a 24 hour news cycle without 24 hours worth of real content that people will sit and watch.
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I think Romney needs a Biden-type to bring him back to earth, though.
I doubt that late night talk show hosts will really that kind of additional material when they'll already have Romney.
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So he needs to find a moderately successful Republican who wasn't born with a silver spoon, and for whom store bought cookies are the norm. Ideally someone in the 98th percentile instead of the 99th one. If he picks another rich dynastic Richie Rich just like himself, he'll have twice the awkward comments and moments and twice the eye rolls from liberals.


You betcha. Smiley: wink
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I can just see all the constant Droopy & Wolf references.
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Someone must be getting scared of Romney if they're going this far to paint him badly. This is asinine.


It's asinine, but it's just one symptom of a larger problem. It happened to Obama too, when he mentioned "arugula lettuce" and people took it as a sign that he was an elitist for suggesting that Americans eat anything besides good old iceburg. Arugula, aka rocket lettuce, has been an American salad staple for a couple centuries, but it just sounds all fancy pantsy.

Romney just doesn't understand how "little people" live, and he probably never will. Does it automatically mean he'll be a bad president? Of course not. Most presidents have come from the upper echelons of society since the country was founded.

I think Romney needs a Biden-type to bring him back to earth, though. Biden was the poorest Senator when he was tapped for VP. He rode the Amtrak and the Metro into DC every day so he could be with his kids in their suburban house in the evenings (because he couldn't afford that size house in DC proper.)

So he needs to find a moderately successful Republican who wasn't born with a silver spoon, and for whom store bought cookies are the norm. Ideally someone in the 98th percentile instead of the 99th one. If he picks another rich dynastic Richie Rich just like himself, he'll have twice the awkward comments and moments and twice the eye rolls from liberals.

The fact that you're trying to defend/explain this might be even more asinine. Correction. Is.


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For someone who doesn't have to budget money, and has never worked a job (so they have no understanding of what it's like to know you make less than the guy next to you, just because he has a *****), to claim to have any sort of expertise when it comes to economic matters, is just ludicrous to me.


just putting it out there, as a stay at home mom by choice, most SAHM's are in charge of budgeting money and learning how to pinch a penny. We gotta keep those bon bons coming in somehow.


And again, I'm not talking about the average SAHM, I'm talking about Ann Romney. I'm not sure why I'm having to repeat myself yet again. I have a very hard time picturing Ann Romney budgeting their millions of dollars. Obviously, a "normal" middle class, SAHM is going to know how to budget money and pinch a penny. I would trust you to know a lot more about economics than I would trust Ann Romney.

gbaji, the reason why Romney's response to the Ledbetter Act question didn't help him, is because he didn't say whether or not he would have voted for it. He has said he wouldn't change it, which is better than saying he'd overturn it for sure, but iirc, that wasn't the question.
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And again, I'm not talking about the average SAHM, I'm talking about Ann Romney. I'm not sure why I'm having to repeat myself yet again.


Because what you're repeating isn't what Rosen was saying. She didn't criticize Anne Romney for being rich (although I agree that this was clearly her intent), she criticized her for not working. A choice made by millions of women and usually championed by liberals like Rosen.

The issue is that Rosen clearly wanted to make a dig at the Romney's wealth, but saying something like "She can't know anything about handling money because she's got so much of it" might not have played so well. So instead, she went with the "doesn't work" angle. But in the process basically was saying that women who don't work don't know anything about economics, don't understand money, should not have any opinions about it, and if they do, those opinions should be ignored.

I'm sure you can see why some people found that a tad offensive.

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I have a very hard time picturing Ann Romney budgeting their millions of dollars. Obviously, a "normal" middle class, SAHM is going to know how to budget money and pinch a penny. I would trust you to know a lot more about economics than I would trust Ann Romney.


What's "normal" though? I'd argue that the more money you have the more complicated a household budget becomes. While we can certainly say that Anne Romney didn't have to worry so much about pinching pennies (although rich people don't become rich by spending wastefully), she arguably had to handle a **** of a lot more money matters than the typical housewife. When you've got 10 times as many bills to pay, it's kinda 10 times as much work regardless of how much money you have. And while I'm sure they had hired help for some of that stuff, that's also more work to manage. Employing people requires a fair amount of paperwork, right?

What she did may not have been identical to what the typical housewife does, but to argue that it somehow makes her unqualified to have any opinions about economics is beyond absurd.

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gbaji, the reason why Romney's response to the Ledbetter Act question didn't help him, is because he didn't say whether or not he would have voted for it. He has said he wouldn't change it, which is better than saying he'd overturn it for sure, but iirc, that wasn't the question.


Ok. But that's not remotely the point made in the article. They seemed to be making a big deal of the fact that Romney's aid, when asked this off topic question out of the blue didn't have an answer right off the bat, and that Romney "eventually" gave them an answer (with eventually apparently being just a few hours later). I don't recall that the article made any sort of analysis of the answer itself.

My point is that it's a contrived story. They planted someone in a low level meeting, tossed a question they knew the staffer would not have a prepared answer for, and then wrote an entire story about this. Um... Ok. Why is this a story? Because it fits a narrative. That's it. The narrative is that Romney is bad on women's issues, so lets write as many stories that fit that narrative as possible. And if we can't find a story, let's invent one out of thin air.
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I wasn't talking specifically about what Rosen said there. I was stating my opinion on why I agreed with what she said. Yes, Rosen phrased it badly, but I agree with the principle of what she was saying. Not that a SAHM knows nothing about economics, but that a SAHM who is filthy stinking rich probably knows nothing about economics.

I would think that my opinion of what "normal" is would be obvious with how I phrased that. Middle class. I think that's probably most people's definition of "normal". Y'know, because middle class is middle class because they're in the middle. They aren't poor, and they aren't rich, which are the two opposite extremes.

If Ann actually did the budgeting for the Romney household, then yeah she probably would have had a lot more to handle than a middle class SAHM. But like I said, I have a hard time picturing her - or most filthy rich SAHMs - handling the entirety of the family budget. I imagine they might take care of paying bills, and buying groceries, but it's not like they have to worry about sticking to a strict budget to avoid overdrafting an account. As far as paying employees and stuff like that, I highly doubt she would have taken care of that sort of thing. That's what accountants are for, isn't it? Obviously, neither one of us have any idea what it's like in the Romney household. Clearly I have a very different picture in my head than you do.

Also, I find it amusing that you think the reporter didn't expect Romney's staff to have an answer prepared about the Ledbetter Act. He keeps going on about how women care about the economy right? The Ledbetter Act is about pay discrimination. That is definitely within the realm of the economy, and his staff SHOULD have already had some sort of idea of what Romney thought of that particular bill.
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And I reiterate that if Mitt has Ann Romney managing their wealth, he's doing it wrong. 200+ million dollars needs to be cultivated by professionals, and the Romneys can certainly afford the best accountants in the business.
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And I reiterate that if Mitt has Ann Romney managing their wealth, he's doing it wrong. 200+ million dollars needs to be cultivated by professionals, and the Romneys can certainly afford the best accountants in the business.

Sure, but if you have $200+ million, a few hundred thousand lost due to mismanagement is a drop of water in the ocean. Seems like an awfully tiny nit to pick.

Why do you care who manages Mitt Romney's money?

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And I reiterate that if Mitt has Ann Romney managing their wealth, he's doing it wrong. 200+ million dollars needs to be cultivated by professionals, and the Romneys can certainly afford the best accountants in the business.

Sure, but if you have $200+ million, a few hundred thousand lost due to mismanagement is a drop of water in the ocean. Seems like an awfully tiny nit to pick.

Why do you care who manages Mitt Romney's money?

Because if he doesn't have the business sense to have professional money managers managing his money, why should we trust him with a country?
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And I reiterate that if Mitt has Ann Romney managing their wealth, he's doing it wrong. 200+ million dollars needs to be cultivated by professionals, and the Romneys can certainly afford the best accountants in the business.

Sure, but if you have $200+ million, a few hundred thousand lost due to mismanagement is a drop of water in the ocean. Seems like an awfully tiny nit to pick.

Why do you care who manages Mitt Romney's money?

Because if he doesn't have the business sense to have professional money managers managing his money, why should we trust him with a country?


Do you even know what private equity is?
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And I reiterate that if Mitt has Ann Romney managing their wealth, he's doing it wrong. 200+ million dollars needs to be cultivated by professionals, and the Romneys can certainly afford the best accountants in the business.

Sure, but if you have $200+ million, a few hundred thousand lost due to mismanagement is a drop of water in the ocean. Seems like an awfully tiny nit to pick.

Why do you care who manages Mitt Romney's money?

Because if he doesn't have the business sense to have professional money managers managing his money, why should we trust him with a country?


Do you even know what private equity is?


Yes, which is why I highly doubt Ann Romney is in charge of the household finances.
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And I reiterate that if Mitt has Ann Romney managing their wealth, he's doing it wrong. 200+ million dollars needs to be cultivated by professionals, and the Romneys can certainly afford the best accountants in the business.

Sure, but if you have $200+ million, a few hundred thousand lost due to mismanagement is a drop of water in the ocean. Seems like an awfully tiny nit to pick.

Why do you care who manages Mitt Romney's money?

Because if he doesn't have the business sense to have professional money managers managing his money, why should we trust him with a country?


Do you even know what private equity is?


Yes, which is why I highly doubt Ann Romney is in charge of the household finances.


Did you even read anything you or anyone else posted?
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You're not voting for him either way, so why worry?


Because other people will? When Obama wins the election, I'll stop worrying about how Mitt manages his finances.
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Because other people will? When Obama wins the election, I'll stop worrying about how Mitt manages his finances.

Silly liberal, I think you'll stop pretending to care long before then.
#146 Apr 20 2012 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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When Obama wins the election, I'll stop worrying about how Mitt manages his finances.
Why worry? It doesn't matter what someone runs as, once they're in office they become homogenized right into the middle and the only difference is the self-imposed label of the people praising and scapegoating them.
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#147 Apr 20 2012 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Why worry? It doesn't matter what someone runs as, once they're in office they become homogenized right into the middle and the only difference is the self-imposed label of the people praising and scapegoating them.

Smiley: rolleyes
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#148 Apr 20 2012 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
When Obama wins the election, I'll stop worrying about how Mitt manages his finances.
Why worry? It doesn't matter what someone runs as, once they're in office they become homogenized right into the middle and the only difference is the self-imposed label of the people praising and scapegoating them.


Looks like we've got ourselves a badasscynic over here...
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#149 Apr 20 2012 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
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Well, Romney is an Etch a Sketch.
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