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#177 Apr 13 2012 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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At what point do we get to point out the absurdly unfair criteria which the GOP must meet in order to *not* be accused of engaging in a war on women?

Like allowing access to it as was decided in Roe vs Wade is "absurdly unfair"?


I'm sorry. Could you point out where in Roe v. Wade the ruling states that the government must pay for contraceptives and/or abortion, or that it must mandate that insurance companies pay for these things? Cause the ruling itself was a stretch, but even it didn't go anywhere near that far.
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I'm sorry. Could you point out where in Roe v. Wade the ruling states that the government must pay for contraceptives and/or abortion, or that it must mandate that insurance companies pay for these things?

No, but since that wasn't what I said I don't feel too bad about it.

Hint: We were discussing the AZ law limiting the period in which abortion was legal.
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Just to be clear, it's not just your stance on abortion that makes your post scream "virgin!".
For what it's worth, I'm definitely not a virgin
You are until you've slept with Guenny, if ya know what I mean...
I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole. Smiley: rolleyes

Well then you're always going to be a virgin.

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#179 Apr 13 2012 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
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I'm sorry. Could you point out where in Roe v. Wade the ruling states that the government must pay for contraceptives and/or abortion, or that it must mandate that insurance companies pay for these things?

No, but since that wasn't what I said I don't feel too bad about it.


Hint: We were discussing the AZ law limiting the period in which abortion was legal.


Ah. When liberals talk about "access to X", they're usually talking about having someone else pay for it, so forgive me if I missed the switch there.

So are you arguing that the Az law violates Roe v. Wade? Care to show this? Or are you just talking out of your hat again and hoping no one will call you on it?

Edited, Apr 13th 2012 1:42pm by gbaji
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gbaji wrote:
Ah. When liberals talk about "access to X", they're usually talking about having someone else pay for it, so forgive me if I missed the switch there.
Yeah, that's about as accurate as saying "When conservatives talk about "low taxes", they're usually talking about starving a child so they can keep their money." Do try not to be so transparent in your indoctrination in the future.

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So are you arguing that the Az law violates Roe v. Wade? Care to show this? Or are you just talking out of your hat again and hoping no one will call you on it?
Without even Googling or anything I'm gonna say that RvW allows abortion up through the end of the 2nd trimester which is..........24 weeks. ****, that was easy.
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Ah. When liberals talk about "access to X", they're usually talking about having someone else pay for it, so forgive me if I missed the switch there.
Yeah, that's about as accurate as saying "When conservatives talk about "low taxes", they're usually talking about starving a child so they can keep their money." Do try not to be so transparent in your indoctrination in the future.


So the 1000000 time that Obama said that his health care reform was about providing people with "greater access to health care" he was really just talking about putting better doors into health clinics? You're kidding, right? That word is overwhelmingly used by the left to mean "someone else paying for it".

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So are you arguing that the Az law violates Roe v. Wade? Care to show this? Or are you just talking out of your hat again and hoping no one will call you on it?
Without even Googling or anything I'm gonna say that RvW allows abortion up through the end of the 2nd trimester which is..........24 weeks. @#%^, that was easy.


Allows. Does not require. It requires states to allow elective abortion through the end of the first trimester. It gives them leeway to restrict abortions past that point, and recommends strongly that states should limit abortions to maternal health past the point of quickening (22-24 weeks). It absolutely does not prevent a state from passing a law banning abortions except for such health cases past 20 weeks.

If you think it does (or anyone does), by all means prove it. Because that would be a wholly new and inventive re-interpretation of the ruling that I've never heard of before.
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gbaji wrote:
Ah. When liberals talk about "access to X", they're usually talking about having someone else pay for it, so forgive me if I missed the switch there.

Yeah, because it's not as though you quoted me upthread as an example of how unreasonable liberals are for thinking there was anything wrong with shrinking the number of weeks. I can see how your own narrative would be hard to keep up with Smiley: rolleyes

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So are you arguing that the Az law violates Roe v. Wade?

Are you just really stupid today or what? Friday wearing down on you? If I wanted to say it violated it, I would have. I said it was further limiting access to something that was found legal in Roe v. Wade.

Now I get that you'll either miss the point of that completely or else jump off your own rails again and start insisting that I'm really talking about the cost of condoms in Detroit. That's fine. Let me know when you're capable of following along.
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#183 Apr 13 2012 at 10:14 PM Rating: Default
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Just to be clear, it's not just your stance on abortion that makes your post scream "virgin!". It's all the other stupid stuff too, like no marital benefits for anyone because single people get screwed, and the several paragraphs about how we should spend more money on outer space and airplanes that make it apparent that there is very little room left for a ****** in the wacky world of Kaolian.


For what it's worth, I'm definitely not a virgin, and I agree with Kao on the marriage benefits thing. I think we should just abolish the state sponsored marriage and have civil unions. That way people can get the legal protections that come with "marriage" now, and we can stop this stupid debate about whether or not gay people should be able to get married. I may not be married, but I have a partner that I've been with for 4.5 years, and we will be getting married eventually. I think it's stupid to give married couples a tax break. I really don't see the point. Giving people with kids a tax break I can understand, because kids are expensive and the government has a vested interest in making sure kids turn out well for the continuation of our country.

The space and airplanes stuff I don't really care about though.


I thought I was clear that it was everything about his post, not just his unimaginative excuse to be a homophobe. When you start ranting about women getting too many abortions and not enough money being spent in outer space, well, I'll call you a virgin too. Until then, *eye socket thrust*
#184 Apr 13 2012 at 11:27 PM Rating: Excellent
My response wasn't because you called Kao a virgin, it was in reference to you saying his opinion of marriage benefits was because it was unfair to single people. I have no way of knowing what Kao's motives for not liking marriage benefits are, but I was simply offering an alternative reason for not liking them, other than it being unfair to single people. I don't give a rat's *** about whether or not it's fair to single people, I came up with the idea while thinking about a way to get people more comfortable with the idea of gay marriage. It seems like a lot of people are bothered by gay people using the word "marriage" so I figured a good compromise would be to return marriage to being a purely religious institution, that way nobody could get butt hurt about teh gays getting married, and we could all have access to the same legal rights.
#185 Apr 13 2012 at 11:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought I was clear that it was everything about his post, not just his unimaginative excuse to be a homophobe. When you start ranting about women getting too many abortions and not enough money being spent in outer space, well, I'll call you a virgin too. Until then, *eye socket thrust*


Learn to read. Specifically the part where I wrote "The govenrment shouldn't care who is sleeping with who" for example. The only other part in there where I reference same sex couples was when I stated they, OR OPPOSITE SEX COUPLES shouldn't get tax breaks for being married. Period.

Are you usually this dense, or do you really just not know what that word means?
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I thought I was clear that it was everything about his post, not just his unimaginative excuse to be a homophobe. When you start ranting about women getting too many abortions and not enough money being spent in outer space, well, I'll call you a virgin too. Until then, *eye socket thrust*


Learn to read. Specifically the part where I wrote "The govenrment shouldn't care who is sleeping with who" for example. The only other part in there where I reference same sex couples was when I stated they, OR OPPOSITE SEX COUPLES shouldn't get tax breaks for being married. Period.

Are you usually this dense, or do you really just not know what that word means?

C'mon Kao, you already know the answer to that question.
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#187 Apr 14 2012 at 8:15 AM Rating: Excellent
Space is cool & is our future as a species, provided we don't kill each other first. I think we should spend more than less than half a penny on every tax dollar on it.

It doesn't have to be a moonbase, but not having an active shuttle program is ******* embarrassing.

I'm glad wise got extended though. Finding extra solar planets is ******* cool & is changing what we know about planet formation & stuff.
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#188 Apr 14 2012 at 2:38 PM Rating: Excellent
I would totally be in favor of lowring our defense budget in order to increase the space program. Provided we increase education budget first. Smiley: grin
#189 Apr 16 2012 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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The education budget doesn't need to be expanded. The people spending the money need to learn how to spend their money smarter. The United States spends more than any other developed country (except Switzerland, apparently) on education between the ages of 6 and 15.

When I hear something like that and then find out the US is middle of the pack at best in education, it's obvious to me it's not the amount of money we're spending that's the problem.
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Hey, if you're saying we should change our education system to be more like those of Scandinavia, France, Canada, etc then you won't get much argument from me.
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#191 Apr 16 2012 at 9:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, if you're saying we should change our education system to be more like those of Scandinavia, France, Canada, etc then you won't get much argument from me.


Our education system definitely needs to be changed, I'm just not sure which direction it needs to go. Education has gone downhill since the creation of the Department of Education in 1979, but I hardly think it's all, or even mostly, the DoE's fault. It is quite telling, though, how many states have seen upticks in testing with the recent advent of "charter" schools and voucher programs. I'm very excited about some recent education reform that was passed in my home state of Louisiana, especially with a 3 year old who will be starting school soon, possibly in August.

I think parents need to take a more active role in their children's education. I think teachers need to be held accountable for students who were able to learn under a different teacher in previous years. We're falling further and further behind. America is progressively growing dumber compared to other countries, especially in things like math and science, which I think most people would agree is the future. I also think the education budget in this country needs a complete overhaul and if that means asking foreign countries for tips on how they do it, than the US needs to swallow its pride and ask for help.

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Our education system definitely needs to be changed, I'm just not sure which direction it needs to go.

Well, we have one direction with a globally proven track record of kicking our nation's educational ***. And another direction where the main point for it is that it appeals to free market acolytes. I'd think it would be an obvious decision but I guess I'm not encumbered by the free market acolyte thing.

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if that means asking foreign countries for tips on how they do it, than the US needs to swallow its pride and ask for help.

None of them are keeping it a secret.
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I think parents need to take a more active role in their children's education.


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I don't know if mimicking Canada's education system K-12 is worthwhile. Apparently, up to grade 6, no child can fail and be held back. Not sure if that's national, provincial, or a policy of our shoolboard.
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Well, your Grade 12 testing scores beat ours. As a matter of pure pragmatism, I don't care if the kids are dumb as bran muffins to age 17, as long as they're beating the tests at age 18 when we boot them out into society.
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#196 Apr 16 2012 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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So are you arguing that the Az law violates Roe v. Wade?

Are you just really stupid today or what? Friday wearing down on you? If I wanted to say it violated it, I would have. I said it was further limiting access to something that was found legal in Roe v. Wade.


Even you have to admit that's a pretty torturous response Joph. Your word choice shows an intent to attempt to use a constitutional ruling to support something that it doesn't, but without being too overly obvious just how far off track you'd gone. "found legal"? Really? Smiley: lol
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Uh, yeah right. Well, have fun laughing with that huge gender gap and saying how much it doesn't matter. Hope wrestling with the semantics to convince yourself it ain't no thang makes you feel better Smiley: smile
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Romney is considering hosting Saturday Night Life. Dunno how to feel about that, since I actually liked the episode with Rudy Guiliani, though none of the allegations and slung mud against Guiliani involved an inability to relate to people. Ultimately, it'd probably be a good move for him*.

*If this were like ten years ago when SNL was still kinda funny.
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It's no-lose short of him having some sort of mental breakdown and physically attacking the audience. Worst case scenario is that he sucks and people say "At least he went through with it and could laugh at himself". It's not as though anyone will be expecting him to be good.

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#200 Apr 17 2012 at 5:27 PM Rating: Decent
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The thing is, the writers for the show aren't going to do anything but put him in a good-humored light that is appealing to everyone. That's their job. They write funny and self-deprecating things for all sorts of celebrities to perform. I'm sure he'd get a few goofy laughs out of everyone and that's pretty much all he'd be going for. It's not like late-night talk shows where he'd actually have to ad-lib, he can't really embarrass himself short of the other obvious live TV incidents that could occur. Though the one thing Romney does have going for him is his composure in front of a camera.
#201 Apr 17 2012 at 8:03 PM Rating: Good
I totally want them to have him do a Romneybot skit.

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