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#27 Mar 28 2012 at 1:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aren't crows pretty much standard for fictional scenes of disaster and death? Whenever I think of crows, I think of the opening scene to the original Diablo, which had a couple crows picking at a hanging corpse.
#28 Mar 28 2012 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Mar 27th 2012 6:59pm by Allegory
I had no idea what she was even talking about until you linked that and I remembered the crap that came up over that a while back. I still don't get the big deal over it.
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#29 Mar 28 2012 at 6:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, crows and ravens have been symbols of disaster for centuries. I don't even know where the racism thing comes into that.

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#30 Mar 28 2012 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, crows and ravens have been symbols of disaster for centuries. I don't even know where the racism thing comes into that.


Some claim that the peace symbol is a depiction of a crows talon.
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#31 Mar 28 2012 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
So it's ironic?
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#32 Mar 28 2012 at 8:00 AM Rating: Good
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Like rain on your wedding day.


I think that Alanis designed that song as a sort of meta-irony about using irony incorrectly. Like, she used irony wrong ironically, just to play a trick on rhetorical snobs everywhere.

Joke's on you guys.

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#34 Mar 28 2012 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think she designed it so we'd still be talking about it **** near 20 years later.
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#35 Mar 28 2012 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Or name them Jim.
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#37 Mar 28 2012 at 11:32 AM Rating: Default
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Samira wrote:
Yeah, crows and ravens have been symbols of disaster for centuries. I don't even know where the racism thing comes into that.


It comes from people trying waaaaaaay too hard to find signs of racism in something.
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#38 Mar 28 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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It comes from people trying waaaaaaay too hard to find signs of racism in something.
Kind of like things coming from people trying waaaaaaay too hard to find signs of politics in something.
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Red Doctor was tricked into appearing in this political ad!


He prefers "Native American Doctor", you racist.
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Red Doctor was tricked into appearing in this political ad!
He prefers "Native American Doctor", you racist.
You're just deflecting from the fact the doctor is an obvious Ruskie, ya commie.
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#42 Mar 28 2012 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, crows and ravens have been symbols of disaster for centuries. I don't even know where the racism thing comes into that.



Jim Crow laws.

It might be a bit oversensitive to accuse Santorum of being racist for using crows in an anti-Obama video, but like I said, it's probably more likely that he and/or the producers of said ad didn't even think about the racial context.

No gbaji, it's not trying to find racism in anything. If they had used a snake instead of crows it wouldn't be racist. Unless it was a black snake of course. Smiley: sly They could have used pretty much any other animal besides a crow (or a monkey/ape) and it wouldn't have been offensive.
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#43 Mar 28 2012 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
yeah, Crows aren't offensive either.
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Samira wrote:
Yeah, crows and ravens have been symbols of disaster for centuries. I don't even know where the racism thing comes into that.



Jim Crow laws.

It might be a bit oversensitive to accuse Santorum of being racist for using crows in an anti-Obama video, but like I said, it's probably more likely that he and/or the producers of said ad didn't even think about the racial context.

No gbaji, it's not trying to find racism in anything. If they had used a snake instead of crows it wouldn't be racist. Unless it was a black snake of course. Smiley: sly They could have used pretty much any other animal besides a crow (or a monkey/ape) and it wouldn't have been offensive.


There's also those three black birds from the Looney tunes cartoons that talked like the characters in A Gathering of Old Men. Granted, I think they were supposed to be magpies and not crows, but all those black birds look alike, amirite?

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#45 Mar 28 2012 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
Totally. Smiley: wink2
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#47 Mar 28 2012 at 5:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Samira wrote:
Yeah, crows and ravens have been symbols of disaster for centuries. I don't even know where the racism thing comes into that.



It might be a bit oversensitive to accuse Santorum of being racist for using crows in an anti-Obama video...


Let's put that one to rest: it is.

Worry not, though. I'm sure he'll say something proper racist in the next day and a half or so.

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It might be a bit oversensitive to accuse Santorum of being racist for using crows in an anti-Obama video, but like I said, it's probably more likely that he and/or the producers of said ad didn't even think about the racial context.


Just a bit oversensitive?

There *isn't* a racial context. Not if all they did was show images of crows flying. Only via the most tortuous route would you see black birds, think of the name "crows" (sure they weren't ravens?), then think "that's like Jim Crow", and then conclude there's a racial context. It's pretty darn absurd.
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I'm sorry.

But are you actually going to ***** about that?

YOU are going to pester someone else for not admitting they were wrong enough?

I just needed to be sure this was real life.
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#50 Mar 28 2012 at 7:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well... it IS absurd. Come on, people, there's enough real **** going on without making up more.
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#51 Mar 28 2012 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Yeah, crows and ravens have been symbols of disaster for centuries. I don't even know where the racism thing comes into that.



It might be a bit oversensitive to accuse Santorum of being racist for using crows in an anti-Obama video...


Let's put that one to rest: it is.

Worry not, though. I'm sure he'll say something proper racist in the next day and a half or so.

Edited, Mar 28th 2012 7:48pm by Eske


Okay fair enough. Ordinarily, it probably wouldn't have even occurred to me. But I've been reading "The Help," and also read a blog about how some people on Twitter are complaining that the character of Rue in Hunger Games ended up being black in the movie, and how it ruined it for them. So yeah, I've had race on the mind a lot the last few days.
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