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#102 Mar 05 2012 at 9:45 PM Rating: Default
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And I fail to see how providing health care for all of your citizens in any way impedes liberty.


Then you fail at many things I guess. Aren't we having a discussion about health care mandates in this thread? How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?

It's like you use the word "liberty" but have no clue what it means.
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b) What the **** does Liberty even mean to you if it doesn't include the basics required to live a happy and healthy life? I mean seriously. If you think that "Liberty" doesn't include clean water and breathable air - what good is it?


It does not "include" those things at all. In the same way that food does not include air, and poetry does not include dog.


You need food, water, and clear air to live. In fact, I think a lack of breathable air could kill you faster than lack of food or water. All three are necessary components of life, and therefore linked more intricately to our survival than poetry and dog. (though arguments could be made for both of those items being necessary in our development as a species, neither are as important to our immediate survival. As in, if your heat source degenerates and starts spewing carbon monoxide into your house as you sleep tonight, you don't wake up)
#104 Mar 05 2012 at 9:52 PM Rating: Excellent
Way to avoid the point, oligarch.
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I believe in a balanced approach that takes into account that cost of liberty. It's not all or nothing to me. I know that many people seem to want to frame it that way, but that's just not the case.


Right. Make a list of requirements for a safe, stable and prosperous society. List it from, say "not getting blown up" to "free candy for everyone". Think of a slide rule and liberty is the sliding red bar. If "liberty" is at one extreme end of the slide rule you are doing it wrong.

Do you understand now?


Of course. But what part of my saying I prefer a balanced approach makes you think I want the bar set to one extreme.

Do you understand that I believe that "free health care" is far closer to the "free candy for everyone" side than the "not getting blown up" side? I would argue that it's the folks pushing for free health care who are pushing an unreasonably extreme position for your hypothetical slide rule.


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BTW, there is no "right" to not being taxed at a higher rate.


Of course there is.

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There is no "liberty" in lower taxes.


Of course there is. Liberty is the state of not being subject to the authority of another. Period. To any degree that you are subject to anyone else's authority, your liberty is being infringed. The problem is that you still want to think in all-or-nothing terms. Something either infringes liberty and is thus completely wrong, or something does not and is completely ok. Because of this, you re-interpret liberty itself so as to pretend that our current state is not one of infringement.

The very act of living in a society with others infringes one's liberty. The point isn't to think we should live in absolute liberty, but to be aware of the need to minimize the degree to which our liberty is infringed. You pursue an impossible standard, and instead of realizing it, you redefine things so you can pretend that you are meeting it.

That's dangerous because it leads you to think that those things you just wrote don't infringe liberty. Of course they do.

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It's taxation without representation that is a violation of your liberty. You have representation.


That's the reason we broke off from England. Taxation without representation means that the infringement of liberty is "worse". It does not cease to exist just because you are represented. How the **** do you people not know this?


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On a related note, please prove your rise from "sleeping in my car because I was that poor" to your current state, because I still don't believe that fairy tale.


I'm my own primary source. Smiley: schooled

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#106 Mar 05 2012 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent
No, really. Prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that your sob story of being a marginalized poor boy who made good despite your family being complete **** is real.

Short of that, we all have no choice but to beleve you are the product of an upper class family.

Which, in case you missed the subtelty, makes you a priveledged douche.
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#107 Mar 05 2012 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
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BTW, there is no "right" to not being taxed at a higher rate.


Of course there is.
Cite, plz

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#108 Mar 05 2012 at 11:52 PM Rating: Good
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So access to clean air and water/food isn't an intricate part of liberty, but not paying taxes is a right?

Are you fucking kidding me?

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No, you're a moron. And memoir is never considered a reliable historical source of information unless the majority of its information can be independently verified.

Which would be why they are asking for proof.

Dumbass.

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Defence, Healthcare, Education, Subsistance Welfare to those who cannot work or are out of work and provenly jobseeking (the means to buy food, water and shelter). They are the fundamental group foundations of a civilised society.


Wrong. Those are the foundations of a socialist society. And socialists have conveniently labeled their form of government "civilized", but it does not make it so.

The key word you're missing (even though you spoke of "rights" earlier) is: Liberty. That's the more important thing here. A society in which the citizens have as much liberty as possible will be a better society in every way to one which calls civilized the act of empowering its government to buy the good will of the people at the expense of their own liberty.
The liberty to die because healthcare is so expensive that you can't afford it, knowing that half the people in your country don't give a rats **** about your life if it might mean they'd have to indirectly pay for your healthcare (even if it would likely mean that they're cheaper off themselves)



idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And I fail to see how providing health care for all of your citizens in any way impedes liberty.

idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
So access to clean air and water/food isn't an intricate part of liberty, but not paying taxes is a right?

Are you fucking kidding me?

The only liberty that counts for Gbaji is financial, any and all taxes are equal to an attack on his liberty.
The sliding scale Bijou talked about looks a little different to Gbaji, for him paying as little taxes as possible is smack dab in the middle and things like healthcare are on the far left side.
What exactly makes up the far right side of his scale I don't know.


Personally, I think it's a governments duty to protect it's citizens from harm and and to try and create an environment in which people can make the most of themselves.
Which for me includes a defense force but also healthcare and a financial safety net so that instead of people having to live in their car or the gutter, they'll have a roof over their head and the help they need to get (back) to being a contributing member of society.
Of course, for Gbaji, this ideal equals a terrifying nightmare because of the few people who are abusing this system. Sure there are people abusing the system, but I'd rather have it available for everyone and be abused on a small scale rather than not having it at all.
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Liberty in the end is all about choice.

Things that allow you more options, give you more choice.

Social programs don't always create a net decrease in liberty, typically they generate a larger field of choices for many at the expense of limiting the choice for some. It's not the perfect dichotomy Gbaji is trying to draw, where any central command & control decreases net liberty. It's also not true that central command & control necessarily increases liberty. Most social programs increase the liberty of those who would otherwise be highly limited in their choices, and thus easily exploitable, which would further limit their choices. This does come at the expense of some of the liberty among those who already have quite a lot of choices, although they will still have the means to make most of the choices they want, and have the ease of freedom of movement to places where these social constructs do not apply, thus only limiting their choice should they choose to limit it in exchange for whatever benefits or perceived benefits the region has to offer.

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#111 Mar 06 2012 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent
For Gbaji the man with the most liberty is one who lives in a cave and never sees anyone else.
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gbaji wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And I fail to see how providing health care for all of your citizens in any way impedes liberty.


Then you fail at many things I guess. Aren't we having a discussion about health care mandates in this thread? How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?

It's like you use the word "liberty" but have no clue what it means.
Liberty as you write about it is an illusion. We're not free. Anything we do or don't do ultimately impacts someone else, impinging on their freedoms.

If we don't insure that all the citizens of our country are receiving adequate healthcare how can the government ever hope to provide you with the freedom from communicable disease, or the freedom to choose affordable healthcare for yourself and your family?




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Gbaji only believes in corporate socialism. Gotta have those fat oil subsidies!

Why do oil companies even need subsidies? The top oil companies made $24Billion in profits last year.

What exactly do they need $4billion in subsidies for?

With regard to liberty, asked gbaji several times if people's liberty is being taken away when they have to pay taxes towards wars they want no part in. Apparently that's not the same thing as people not wanting to pay for healthcare, though.


Also, universal healthcare works out on average per person to be cheaper than private insurance. That doesn't matter though, because the people not paying much now might have to pay slightly more, **** those people with pre-existing medical conditions! Selfish bastards the lot of them!

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Pregnancy is a pre-existing medical condition by US law.

True story.

My sister couldn't go to the doctor for the first 2-3 months she was pregnant, because they wouldn't have had insurance until that point. If she went, she risked losing out on the chance for them to pay ANY of her bills. And she still got slammed with 5-10k in hospital bills for the delivery.
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How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?.
I agree completely, but always find it amusing how selective you are when discussing what the government should be able to mandate you pay for, like how paying for a military to gallivant around the world killing other people is ok but paying for the well being of your fellow citizens is debilitating.
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How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?.
I agree completely, but always find it amusing how selective you are when discussing what the government should be able to mandate you pay for, like how paying for a military to gallivant around the world killing other people is ok but paying for the well being of your fellow citizens is debilitating.


That's only part of it. Most people I hear complain about taxes also complain about lack of things taxes bring. Like being annoyed if there's a pothole in the road, or their streets don't get plowed fast enough after it snows.

Public services require public funds. Most people seem to believe that they pay taxes just so a corrupt politician can pocket the money.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
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How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?.
I agree completely, but always find it amusing how selective you are when discussing what the government should be able to mandate you pay for, like how paying for a military to gallivant around the world killing other people is ok but paying for the well being of your fellow citizens is debilitating.


That's only part of it. Most people I hear complain about taxes also complain about lack of things taxes bring. Like being annoyed if there's a pothole in the road, or their streets don't get plowed fast enough after it snows.

Public services require public funds. Most people seem to believe that they pay taxes just so a corrupt politician can pocket the money.

I wish I could pay more taxes to get more nice things, like a public transportation system that was worth a damn.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
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How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?.
I agree completely, but always find it amusing how selective you are when discussing what the government should be able to mandate you pay for, like how paying for a military to gallivant around the world killing other people is ok but paying for the well being of your fellow citizens is debilitating.


That's only part of it. Most people I hear complain about taxes also complain about lack of things taxes bring. Like being annoyed if there's a pothole in the road, or their streets don't get plowed fast enough after it snows.

Public services require public funds. Most people seem to believe that they pay taxes just so a corrupt politician can pocket the money.

I wish I could pay more taxes to get more nice things, like a public transportation system that was worth a damn.


We got one. Smiley: grin

Unfortunately there was just an article in the local paper about how its expansion is leading to more potholes. Seems you can't win sometimes. Smiley: frown
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?.
I agree completely, but always find it amusing how selective you are when discussing what the government should be able to mandate you pay for, like how paying for a military to gallivant around the world killing other people is ok but paying for the well being of your fellow citizens is debilitating.


That's only part of it. Most people I hear complain about taxes also complain about lack of things taxes bring. Like being annoyed if there's a pothole in the road, or their streets don't get plowed fast enough after it snows.

Public services require public funds. Most people seem to believe that they pay taxes just so a corrupt politician can pocket the money.

I wish I could pay more taxes to get more nice things, like a public transportation system that was worth a damn.
Public transportation is never worth a damn.
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Don't you agree?


No, I don't agree. I don't accept your definition of "liberty" being the freedom to die from drinking polluted water or to choke to death on poisoned air.

It boggles my mind that you see laws that protect the health and happiness of people as being an affront to liberty. Liberty is worthless without life - and life isn't possible without food, water and air. Without things like healthcare and shelter one can live for sometime, but a miserable existence which is bound to be cut short.

I suggest that if you think that laws that protect access to the basics of life are an affront to liberty that you charter a boat and get them to drop you off on a barren rock in the middle of the pacific. Then you can live in perfect "liberty" for about three days or so, when you die from lack of water.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
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How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?.
I agree completely, but always find it amusing how selective you are when discussing what the government should be able to mandate you pay for, like how paying for a military to gallivant around the world killing other people is ok but paying for the well being of your fellow citizens is debilitating.


That's only part of it. Most people I hear complain about taxes also complain about lack of things taxes bring. Like being annoyed if there's a pothole in the road, or their streets don't get plowed fast enough after it snows.

Public services require public funds. Most people seem to believe that they pay taxes just so a corrupt politician can pocket the money.

I wish I could pay more taxes to get more nice things, like a public transportation system that was worth a damn.
Public transportation is never worth a damn.

Why must you destroy my hopes and dreams?
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
gbaji wrote:
How can you fail to see that the government mandating that people pay for things they don't want to pay for impedes their liberty?.
I agree completely, but always find it amusing how selective you are when discussing what the government should be able to mandate you pay for, like how paying for a military to gallivant around the world killing other people is ok but paying for the well being of your fellow citizens is debilitating.


That's only part of it. Most people I hear complain about taxes also complain about lack of things taxes bring. Like being annoyed if there's a pothole in the road, or their streets don't get plowed fast enough after it snows.

Public services require public funds. Most people seem to believe that they pay taxes just so a corrupt politician can pocket the money.

I wish I could pay more taxes to get more nice things, like a public transportation system that was worth a damn.
Public transportation is never worth a damn.

Why must you destroy my hopes and dreams?


Take off the tinfoil hat man. Can't you see that Public Transit is obviously a government control for increasing taxes in the guise of fixing potholes that they create. Not only that they run non stop and are fueled on the tax payers pocket. (as well as polluting our air which is a direct violation of our liberties.) More over its a social concept which socialist governments (in the guise of democracies.) designed to control tax increases, need more money tell people its for buses its all right. If you can't see that then I don't know what to say. Open your eyes, you are being duped. Its a filthy liberal conspiracy that public transit actually costs, or makes the money they claim it does.









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But I like riding the metro instead of driving.
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The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.
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Public transportation needs are totally different from place to place, it makes no sense to centralize it.
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The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

That's the other part of the problem, public transportation systems rarely (if ever) connect with each other. I would love to be able to hop on the metro by my house and just keep taking it across the country, or even just to a few different towns, but the coverage is so sparse that unless where you're headed is right next to a stop you're better off just driving there in your car.

I think we've really shot ourselves in the foot as far infrastructure is concerned. It's personal automobiles or GTFO and it's too firmly entrenched now to make any meaningful improvements.
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I would love to be able to hop on the metro by my house and just keep taking it across the country,
Just going from Queens to Manhattan is boring, I couldn't imagine the nightmare going cross country.

Unless they allowed me to bring a rifle and pick off wild life. Then I might be entertained.
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Public transportation needs are totally different from place to place, it makes no sense to centralize it.


So wait... you don't think Oklahoma City would benefit from a ski lift? Smiley: dubious
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To be fair public transit has never really functioned as a nation wide means of travel. Pre Auto or Post Auto. The way to travel cross country has always been in the private trains(via rail* ex), buses (greyhound ex.), ships (white star line ex.),
Airplanes (United Airline ex.) Its always been a private industry to move you around the nation.

So its pretty much always been a, find your own way, once you leave city limits.


(*Via Rail is a canadian passanger train service, yes it is a punny name.)



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Public transportation needs are totally different from place to place, it makes no sense to centralize it.


I think we'd benefit from splitting it up. Well, we do already (with interstates and railroads), but I think it would be worth investing more into it. But yeah, there's no reason for the same organization to be managing public transport systems for LA and NYC. They're just too different for that to actually work well.
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The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British railway is privatisation.



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Any system that exists to help people move through the nation, be it to get to work, to shop, etc., should NEVER exist for a profit motive. It forms the foundation for practically every other systems and transaction we have, and giving a company leave to charge so as to get the optimum return on profits just f*cks everyone else over in every way.
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It's gotten to the stage now where it is cheaper to fly from London to Manchester than it is to get the train. It's a joke.

The Tube is still the bestest subway system in the world though. FIRST BISHES.
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I wish we would improve Amtrak. I would love to take an overnight car rather than fly but the whole prioritizing freight traffic thing gets my britches in a twist.

Still better than Greyhound by lightyears.

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The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.
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Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.

Dutchland is relatively small, though.


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can fit all 3 of those countries you referenced into Canada =D
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Largest country in the world by area, isn't it?
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Nilatai wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.

Dutchland is relatively small, though.


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Yeah, but if 2 trains stand still for 15 minutes each, the entire network of trains is affected. And before it was privatized, the driver could go outside and set a blowtorch to a frozen switch and hopefully be moving again within 15 minutes. Now they have to call the company that owns the tracks, which is a different company altogether, and they'll call a freelance mechanic because they don't have the manpower to have people near all switches, that external guy then has to travel by car to wherever the train is through traffic that may very well be moving slowly because of the snow and ice to take a blowtorch to the frozen switch and all in all it may just be that the train is stuck there for 3+ hours instead of 10 minutes. And as a bonus, the entire system slowly collapses because of a domino effect with delays.

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Not Russia or China?
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.

Dutchland is relatively small, though.


Say's the Brit on am American forum. Smiley: facepalm
Yeah, but if 2 trains stand still for 15 minutes each, the entire network of trains is affected. And before it was privatized, the driver could go outside and set a blowtorch to a frozen switch and hopefully be moving again within 15 minutes. Now they have to call the company that owns the tracks, which is a different company altogether, and they'll call a freelance mechanic because they don't have the manpower to have people near all switches, that external guy then has to travel by car to wherever the train is through traffic that may very well be moving slowly because of the snow and ice to take a blowtorch to the frozen switch and all in all it may just be that the train is stuck there for 3+ hours instead of 10 minutes. And as a bonus, the entire system slowly collapses because of a domino effect with delays.
I know, it's ridiculous.

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Largest country in the world by area, isn't it?
Not Russia or China?

That's what I thought the first time I heard it. Russia at least. China, not so much.
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The USSR was the largest when it was still around, not so sure anymore.
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can fit all 3 of those countries you referenced into Canada =D
It'd fit, too. With all that empty space.
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Russia not only wins "largest by land size", it's not even a close contest. Per lolwiki:

Russia land area: 6,323,482 sq miles
Canada land area: 3,511,023 sq miles

Russia is also larger than Antarctica (5,400,000 sq miles)

Edit: China's land mass is slightly larger than Canada but Canada is larger if you count entire territory (inc water). Still a far cry from Russia though.

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According to a quick look at wiki:


Russia: 6,592,800 sq mi Linky

Canada: 3,854,085 sq mi Linky

China: 3,704,427 sq mi Linky
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.
When the trip reaches 2000 miles, your opinions change. You have to take into account:
Sleeping
Gas costs: my last long road trip would have been at least $250 in gas one way, and car maintenance is a **** This is assuming I go 60 miles per hour rather than 80 - 85. When you're in Nowhere, USA, if you're not doing at least 75, you're getting passed. Yeah, I flew, but I would have taken the train over that, too.
Car breaking down: even with roadside assistance you're waiting hours for the nearest tow truck from Podunk. Also: scary.
Sheer boredom: even trips under 200 miles can feel like they drag, but at around 500 or so the trip ends with hating your life.





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In Live View, there are no line breaks, so what I read was "When the trip reaches 2000 miles, your opinions change. You have to take into account: Sleeping Gas Costs:".
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What else would I use on old people going 40 mph?
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When the trip reaches 2000 miles, your opinions change. You have to take into account:
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Gas costs: my last long road trip would have been at least $250 in gas one way, and car maintenance is a **** This is assuming I go 60 miles per hour rather than 80 - 85. When you're in Nowhere, USA, if you're not doing at least 75, you're getting passed. Yeah, I flew, but I would have taken the train over that, too.
Car breaking down: even with roadside assistance you're waiting hours for the nearest tow truck from Podunk. Also: scary.
Sheer boredom: even trips under 200 miles can feel like they drag, but at around 500 or so the trip ends with hating your life.
It's pretty much impossible to take a 200 mile trip in the Netherlands. And we used to have a vacation home in southern France, I'm used to 700 mile long car rides as we went there 6 times a year. For longer trips, there's always a plane.

And sure, as long as 1 train or maybe 2 will do, it's as fast as a car. As soon as you have to go from **** USA to Middle-Of-Nowhere USA, you're also looking at hours of bus/coach rides and multiple trains and it'll be slower than going by car and if you're not going alone also more expensive.
Public transport simply stops working when you're not travelling between relatively large cities.
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