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#127 Mar 06 2012 at 4:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would love to be able to hop on the metro by my house and just keep taking it across the country,
Just going from Queens to Manhattan is boring, I couldn't imagine the nightmare going cross country.

Unless they allowed me to bring a rifle and pick off wild life. Then I might be entertained.
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#128 Mar 06 2012 at 4:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Public transportation needs are totally different from place to place, it makes no sense to centralize it.


So wait... you don't think Oklahoma City would benefit from a ski lift? Smiley: dubious
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#129 Mar 06 2012 at 4:30 PM Rating: Default
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To be fair public transit has never really functioned as a nation wide means of travel. Pre Auto or Post Auto. The way to travel cross country has always been in the private trains(via rail* ex), buses (greyhound ex.), ships (white star line ex.),
Airplanes (United Airline ex.) Its always been a private industry to move you around the nation.

So its pretty much always been a, find your own way, once you leave city limits.


(*Via Rail is a canadian passanger train service, yes it is a punny name.)



Edited, Mar 6th 2012 5:31pm by rdmcandie
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#130 Mar 06 2012 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Public transportation needs are totally different from place to place, it makes no sense to centralize it.


I think we'd benefit from splitting it up. Well, we do already (with interstates and railroads), but I think it would be worth investing more into it. But yeah, there's no reason for the same organization to be managing public transport systems for LA and NYC. They're just too different for that to actually work well.
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#131 Mar 06 2012 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British railway is privatisation.



edit: happy != happen.

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 6:28pm by Nilatai
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#132 Mar 06 2012 at 5:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Any system that exists to help people move through the nation, be it to get to work, to shop, etc., should NEVER exist for a profit motive. It forms the foundation for practically every other systems and transaction we have, and giving a company leave to charge so as to get the optimum return on profits just f*cks everyone else over in every way.
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#133 Mar 06 2012 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
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It's gotten to the stage now where it is cheaper to fly from London to Manchester than it is to get the train. It's a joke.

The Tube is still the bestest subway system in the world though. FIRST BISHES.
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#134 Mar 06 2012 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wish we would improve Amtrak. I would love to take an overnight car rather than fly but the whole prioritizing freight traffic thing gets my britches in a twist.

Still better than Greyhound by lightyears.

Edited, Mar 6th 2012 8:31pm by Sweetums
#135 Mar 07 2012 at 4:49 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.
#136 Mar 07 2012 at 4:51 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.

Dutchland is relatively small, though.


Say's the Brit on am American forum. Smiley: facepalm
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#137 Mar 07 2012 at 4:57 AM Rating: Default
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can fit all 3 of those countries you referenced into Canada =D
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#138 Mar 07 2012 at 5:01 AM Rating: Good
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Largest country in the world by area, isn't it?
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#139 Mar 07 2012 at 5:26 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.

Dutchland is relatively small, though.


Say's the Brit on am American forum. Smiley: facepalm
Yeah, but if 2 trains stand still for 15 minutes each, the entire network of trains is affected. And before it was privatized, the driver could go outside and set a blowtorch to a frozen switch and hopefully be moving again within 15 minutes. Now they have to call the company that owns the tracks, which is a different company altogether, and they'll call a freelance mechanic because they don't have the manpower to have people near all switches, that external guy then has to travel by car to wherever the train is through traffic that may very well be moving slowly because of the snow and ice to take a blowtorch to the frozen switch and all in all it may just be that the train is stuck there for 3+ hours instead of 10 minutes. And as a bonus, the entire system slowly collapses because of a domino effect with delays.

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Largest country in the world by area, isn't it?
Not Russia or China?
#140 Mar 07 2012 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.

Dutchland is relatively small, though.


Say's the Brit on am American forum. Smiley: facepalm
Yeah, but if 2 trains stand still for 15 minutes each, the entire network of trains is affected. And before it was privatized, the driver could go outside and set a blowtorch to a frozen switch and hopefully be moving again within 15 minutes. Now they have to call the company that owns the tracks, which is a different company altogether, and they'll call a freelance mechanic because they don't have the manpower to have people near all switches, that external guy then has to travel by car to wherever the train is through traffic that may very well be moving slowly because of the snow and ice to take a blowtorch to the frozen switch and all in all it may just be that the train is stuck there for 3+ hours instead of 10 minutes. And as a bonus, the entire system slowly collapses because of a domino effect with delays.
I know, it's ridiculous.

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Largest country in the world by area, isn't it?
Not Russia or China?

That's what I thought the first time I heard it. Russia at least. China, not so much.
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#141 Mar 07 2012 at 5:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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The USSR was the largest when it was still around, not so sure anymore.
#142 Mar 07 2012 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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can fit all 3 of those countries you referenced into Canada =D
It'd fit, too. With all that empty space.
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#143 Mar 07 2012 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Russia not only wins "largest by land size", it's not even a close contest. Per lolwiki:

Russia land area: 6,323,482 sq miles
Canada land area: 3,511,023 sq miles

Russia is also larger than Antarctica (5,400,000 sq miles)

Edit: China's land mass is slightly larger than Canada but Canada is larger if you count entire territory (inc water). Still a far cry from Russia though.

Edited, Mar 7th 2012 8:16am by Jophiel
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#144 Mar 07 2012 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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According to a quick look at wiki:


Russia: 6,592,800 sq mi Linky

Canada: 3,854,085 sq mi Linky

China: 3,704,427 sq mi Linky
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#146 Mar 07 2012 at 9:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Guenny wrote:
The problem with states' rights is that we have places that do public transportation well, and others that do it poorly. If we just nationalized these things everyone would benefit.

This is largely true. Also never privatise it. The worst thing to ever happen to the British Dutch railway is privatisation.
Not only is it cheaper to drive pretty much anywhere by car, it's also more than twice as fast and you won't get stuck if there's a few leafs on the road or when there's a few cm of snow.
When the trip reaches 2000 miles, your opinions change. You have to take into account:
Sleeping
Gas costs: my last long road trip would have been at least $250 in gas one way, and car maintenance is a *****. This is assuming I go 60 miles per hour rather than 80 - 85. When you're in Nowhere, USA, if you're not doing at least 75, you're getting passed. Yeah, I flew, but I would have taken the train over that, too.
Car breaking down: even with roadside assistance you're waiting hours for the nearest tow truck from Podunk. Also: scary.
Sheer boredom: even trips under 200 miles can feel like they drag, but at around 500 or so the trip ends with hating your life.





Edited, Mar 7th 2012 9:36am by Sweetums
#147 Mar 07 2012 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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In Live View, there are no line breaks, so what I read was "When the trip reaches 2000 miles, your opinions change. You have to take into account: Sleeping Gas Costs:".
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#149 Mar 07 2012 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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What else would I use on old people going 40 mph?
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When the trip reaches 2000 miles, your opinions change. You have to take into account:
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Gas costs: my last long road trip would have been at least $250 in gas one way, and car maintenance is a *****. This is assuming I go 60 miles per hour rather than 80 - 85. When you're in Nowhere, USA, if you're not doing at least 75, you're getting passed. Yeah, I flew, but I would have taken the train over that, too.
Car breaking down: even with roadside assistance you're waiting hours for the nearest tow truck from Podunk. Also: scary.
Sheer boredom: even trips under 200 miles can feel like they drag, but at around 500 or so the trip ends with hating your life.
It's pretty much impossible to take a 200 mile trip in the Netherlands. And we used to have a vacation home in southern France, I'm used to 700 mile long car rides as we went there 6 times a year. For longer trips, there's always a plane.

And sure, as long as 1 train or maybe 2 will do, it's as fast as a car. As soon as you have to go from ******** USA to Middle-Of-Nowhere USA, you're also looking at hours of bus/coach rides and multiple trains and it'll be slower than going by car and if you're not going alone also more expensive.
Public transport simply stops working when you're not travelling between relatively large cities.
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