SCotUS to Look at Affirmative Action (Kind Of)Follow

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I'll contribute much of my success in school/college and by extension career to the subjects I enjoyed and how easily they came to me and my parents' willingness to sacrifice for the betterment of my future. But I don't think anyone is saying those qualities come with race or sex. Certainly not "a lot" of my success being contributed to my sex/race instead of earning it through work, as Omegavegeta stated..

That's nice that you believe that, but it simply isn't true. Society has created gender roles for jobs and you're blind if you think otherwise.

The term "gender role" is so out dated. It's more of a "genitalia role".

Society may have influence in what paths are expected, but it didn't make me good at it or make me succeed. Just because society says Controls Engineers are supposed to be male didn't make the subject come easy to me. I enjoyed it and was good at it (Naturally good at it). Being male didn't make me good at it. Being male didn't make my parents willing to go without for so long so I could end up in a better position (I'm not from China).

I'm playing with a few robots with 15 inch saw blades right now. They are kicking my *** (Not fair though, they are well armed).

My comments are directly in response to Omegavegeta's quote in my first post.

I don't have a strong opinion either way. Affirmative Action isn't a real button issue with me.

I'm a bad liberal

Nah, most white liberals aren't that interested in affirmative action at this point. I mean, you voted for Obama, right? No more effort on race issues is required.

Tirith's posts remind me of that guy who says 'SO MUCH FOR GLOBAL WARMING' every time it's even slightly cold.

I'm of the mind that the goal should be to prop up everyone who's shut out by being too poor, or without the opportunity for education. There are plenty of disenfranchised whites out there, too. I don't think our approach should be "Ah, fuck 'em. They're white...they should be able to go it alone."

The real problem is those very disenfranchised whites are the most vocal opponents of any sort of help for anyone, anywhere, from the government. Even if many of them are already using that help.

You're absolutely correct in that it didn't make you smarter or understand anything any easier. However, that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about you getting hired. When people think a specific job, people envision a certain person and that certain person is more likely to get the job than someone who doesn't fit that description. It isn't always intentional, but it's reality.

When I worked at McDonald's, people starting positions were determined first by sex, then my race then by attractiveness. All males tend to start in the back, all females tend to start up at the front or drive through. If it were two people of the same sex, then the white people would start up in the front/drive through window. If they were the same sex and race then the more "attractive" person would be up front.

Of course this wasn't official, but it was obvious. In the entire time that I worked there, every black male had started in the grill. I thought this was only at that store, but as you start looking at other jobs, you can see a similar pattern.

Then that would make you a horrible wager.