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#27 Feb 24 2012 at 8:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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My bread maker is teflon or something, and so is super easy to clean. I don't use it for baking though, just making the dough. I don't like how breadmaker bread turns out when baked in the bread maker.
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#28 Feb 24 2012 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I love my bread maker. Put stuff in, set timer, wake up to fresh made bread. Nothing is better in the morning than fresh made bread toast and it literally takes 2-3 minutes to setup with everything in it once you get some good recipes down.

They're all non-stick from what I've seen, not hard to clean at all. People don't use them much after the first little while because they are bulky and take up a lot of counter space. People don't want to take them out of the cupboard.

I tend to go in spurts for the same reason. I use it until it gets put away to make room for something else, then I can't be assed to pull it out so it doesn't get used for months. I LOOOVE it when I use it though.

They're great for pizza dough too :).

Edited, Feb 24th 2012 3:08pm by Yodabunny
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That just means I can be a scientist, with how often I forget to plug in the toaster in the morning.

Why do you unplug your toaster? Just general fire safety?


my gf does it because she doesn't like wasting power. Just about everything plugged in will draw a small amount of power (phantom power) whether it is being used or not.
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Anyone use a bread-maker - like regularly? Or does it just become another worthless appliance?



I have a bread maker, and she also looks pretty in lingerie.

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I don't like how breadmaker bread turns out when baked in the bread maker.


This. Home made sourdough (no knead method) made by my sweetheart for the win!

Looks a lot like this and is yuuuuumy




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#32 Feb 24 2012 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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my gf does it because she doesn't like wasting power. Just about everything plugged in will draw a small amount of power (phantom power) whether it is being used or not.


Unless it's got some kind of auto detection circuit or clock running, you aren't saving any power. Think it through. Assuming there's a manual switch in the device (like your toaster) which closes the circuit, why would it use any more "phantom power" when that circuit is open then the outlet itself? It's the same thing. You're just moving where the endpoint of that power line is.
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By auto-detection you mean for instant-on access? I remember some study from a couple of years ago that said (for example) video game consoles use quite a bit of power even when off because of that.

Phone chargers and such use a bit, as well. Basically if it's warm to the touch when it's off, it's using wattage.

Obviously I'm not unplugging my refrigerator.
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Obviously I'm not unplugging my refrigerator.

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I have to cool down my faster than light nutrias somehow, you know.

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#36 Feb 25 2012 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have to cool down my faster than light nutrias somehow, you know.



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oh i get it now... face desk and all that.
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By auto-detection you mean for instant-on access? I remember some study from a couple of years ago that said (for example) video game consoles use quite a bit of power even when off because of that.


Not exactly. I mean anything where there's a circuit running that detects some action that is electronic rather than physical in nature. So if you can turn your TV on with your remote, something has to be actively operating to do that. I'm not sure about video game consoles, but it's certainly possible that some of them might be running stuff in the background even while turned off.

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Phone chargers and such use a bit, as well. Basically if it's warm to the touch when it's off, it's using wattage.


Yup. And that's honestly because of simplicity of design. It's cheaper for them to have an active inductive charging coil running which then starts a flow of power when a sink comes in close proximity (or contact) with the circuit than to construct some sort of simple physical switch that's activated when you plug in your phone. It's funny because this subject came up in a conversation at work just a week or two ago, which sparked a huge amount of diagram drawing on nearby whiteboards and arguments about the how's and whys of different charging designs. Then it spun into relative costs of wireless versus direct wire charging systems, and basically went into the weeds.

Short of it is that it's possible to design a direct wire charger that consumes no additional energy except when your device is plugged in, but no one does. And while one might think it's some plot to help pad profits for the power companies, the reality is that the cost in energy is still very very very small, and the cost to design chargers with a manual (but automated when plugged in) switch and the increased likelihood of failure (and returns) because of said mechanical system, simply doesn't justify it.

There's nothing preventing you from unplugging those sorts of devices, or installing manual switches to cut power from them if you want. The more direct point though if your toaster is the standard manually operated toaster, it's not drawing any extra power by being plugged in all the time. Same with your blender, your food processor, and whatever else. *Not* the same with your microwave, or your coffee machine with the timer function (and clock). Also not the same for your TV, your cable box, your wireless router, and a dozen other things you have on pretty much all the time in your house.

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Obviously I'm not unplugging my refrigerator.


Yup. And your fridge probably consumes more power in an average hour than every one of those smaller "standing by" devices in your house does in a month.
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Not exactly. I mean anything where there's a circuit running that detects some action that is electronic rather than physical in nature. So if you can turn your TV on with your remote, something has to be actively operating to do that. I'm not sure about video game consoles, but it's certainly possible that some of them might be running stuff in the background even while turned off.


While this is true it kind of isn't. The digital circuits of power units are generally always open (off) if they have a remote control present as the logic will tell the unit to turn on when the signal changes to a closed position (on).

Most of these circuits are powered by capacitors which charge while the unit is on (consuming elecricity) and are dormant while the unit is off. When you close the circuit (push power on the unit or remote) the capacitors will discharge and start the power circuit which in turn activates the unit and recharges the capacitors.


So while yes a TV or Game console does consume power to turn itself on remotely, it only consumes a small amount of power, while the unit is running. While off or in stand by (newer units) it consumes no power.

This is why old tube machinces used to take a while to power up, the charge was only used to turn the component on, not power its process.
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Not exactly. I mean anything where there's a circuit running that detects some action that is electronic rather than physical in nature. So if you can turn your TV on with your remote, something has to be actively operating to do that. I'm not sure about video game consoles, but it's certainly possible that some of them might be running stuff in the background even while turned off.


While this is true it kind of isn't. The digital circuits of power units are generally always open (off) if they have a remote control present as the logic will tell the unit to turn on when the signal changes to a closed position (on).

Most of these circuits are powered by capacitors which charge while the unit is on (consuming elecricity) and are dormant while the unit is off. When you close the circuit (push power on the unit or remote) the capacitors will discharge and start the power circuit which in turn activates the unit and recharges the capacitors.


I'm not talking about the capacitors used to keep the unit "warm" so as to decrease power up time. I'm talking about the fact that in order for a remote control to turn on your TV, the sensor that detects the infrared beam must be part of a closed circuit, and is thus drawing a small amount of power all the time. The infrared beam doesn't close the circuit, it interacts with an already closed circuit to close another circuit which turns on the system. It's the same difference as having your laptop in standby, versus having it off. One wears down the battery still, the other does not (well, much more slowly).


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So while yes a TV or Game console does consume power to turn itself on remotely, it only consumes a small amount of power, while the unit is running. While off or in stand by (newer units) it consumes no power.


Half right. Any electronic device that has any closed circuit attached to a power source will consume some power. How much depends on a number of factors, but it *will* draw some power. The only way for it not to is for the switch to the power to be open (ie: a manual switch that is turned to the off position). If you've taken a basic electronic class, you should know this. Even if all you have is a circuit with a resistor in it, you're going to bleed some power.

Edited, Feb 28th 2012 2:09pm by gbaji
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