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#1 Feb 09 2012 at 12:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Nuclear Regulatory Commission on Thursday approved construction of the first new nuclear reactors to be built in the United States since 1978. The commission’s board approved the decision by a 4-1 vote, with its chairman Gregory B. Jaczko casting the dissenting vote.

The new reactors will be added to the Vogtle plant outside of Waynesboro, Ga., and operated by Southern Co. The reactors will use light water technology developed by Westinghouse. The new reactors could be in full operation by 2016, according to Southern. The reactors will together generate 2,200 MW, enough to power almost 1.8 million homes.


I know exactly where that is. Actually, it made me feel a bit nostalgiac; from a hill about a mile from my house when I was growing up, you could actually see the cooling towers of Plant Vogtle in the distance, two counties away. Burke County where it is located is also really wealthy because of all the nuclear engineers, and the high school there had the nickname "The Mall" because it was so cavernous on the inside.

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Funny how every step of the process I say "Hey, look at that; just like Obama said he wanted to see done" and every step of the way the usual suspects stomp their feet and insist none of it is really happening.

Anyway, cue the usual suspects.
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Obama's actually doing what he promised? The gall!
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Right now, the latest crop of freshman engineering students from Georgia Tech is suddenly switching their major over to "nuclear studies."

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From "Russian Literature Studies"?


Silly Joph. GA Tech doesn't have any other majors besides "some flavor of engineering" and "football fan."
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Russian Literature Engineering?

Or Russian Engineering Literature! Learn to write tech manuals in Cyrillic!

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Funny how every step of the process I say "Hey, look at that; just like Obama said he wanted to see done" and every step of the way the usual suspects stomp their feet and insist none of it is really happening.


Never said that none of it *is* happening. I've always questioned the degree to which Obama is the cause of any outcomes with regard to building nuclear power plants. You love to point at this one pair of reactors on this one plant site, but the reality is that this specific site and plans were approved in 2008, set in motion back in 2006, under a consortium formed in 2004, and utilizing a DOE pro-nuclear energy program created in 2002. All Obama did was *not* block approval and construction on something that was already well under way by the time he took office.

Obama stuck to Bush's plan with regard to Iraq too. And he's kept open Guantanamo. I'm well aware that he's had to allow things he didn't like to go forward because trying to stop them would have been nearly impossible (and foolish). The reality is that his support for nuclear energy is tepid at best. It's why he typically buries anything related to that energy inside larger energy plans/reports/whatever. He knows that nuclear power is so unpopular by many of his supporters that he can't risk alienating them by appearing to give more than lip service to it.


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Anyway, cue the usual suspects.


Wouldn't want to disappoint you. Of course, I read the title of the thread and immediate thought: "Cue Joph making some broad pronouncement about how this means Obama really is pro-nuclear power after all". So you predicting me doing something in response to you doing a predictable action isn't exactly a shocker.
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Too bad Joph didn't make the thread doofus.
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Too bad Joph didn't make the thread doofus.


I didn't say he did. I said that he would post in it with his usual stock spiel. And he did.
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I've always questioned the degree to which Obama is the cause of any outcomes with regard to building nuclear power plants. You love to point at this one pair of reactors on this one plant site, but the reality is that this specific site and plans were approved in 2008, set in motion back in 2006, under a consortium formed in 2004, and utilizing a DOE pro-nuclear energy program created in 2002.

Yeah, I discredited that little argument last time but good job parroting it again Smiley: laugh
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I wouldn't have been disappointed to not see you sitting on the GOP's shoulder and squawking. Shocked maybe. Not disappointed.

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Is this Uranium based technology, or Thorium? Because as far as I know, Thorium is safer to handle, much less hazardous all around, and can't produce weapon's grade material.
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If it can't power a Flux Capacitor then I ain't interested.
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If it can't power a Flux Capacitor then I ain't interested.


Get six of these babies and we've got a 1.21 gigawatt ticket back to whenever DeLoreans were popular.
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It can. 2200 MW > 1.21 GW
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Hold the phone! When did this happen?
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Hold the phone! When did this happen?


Did it ever? I just kinda assumed.
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GA-tech (ME) friend of mine works for southern nuclear, and I'm most pleased for him at this development.


Also, look at those comments. People are still pants on head retarded about nuclear energy.
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I like that one guy arguing with everyone.

Go George Carlin, go.

Fight the stupid as other George Carlins have done before you.

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Wouldn't want to disappoint you. Of course, I read the title of the thread and immediate thought: "Cue Joph making some broad pronouncement about how this means Obama really is pro-nuclear power after all". So you predicting me doing something in response to you doing a predictable action isn't exactly a shocker.
lolz.....you two. Smiley: oyvey


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Hold the phone! When did this happen?
Did it ever? I just kinda assumed.
There was that one month in 1985.
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Hold the phone! When did this happen?
Did it ever? I just kinda assumed.
There was that one month in 1985.
The Time Travel conversion kit boosted sales a bit.
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Good to see you noobs utilising your massive stockpile of fissile material for something useful.

I need to write to my MP complaining about the lack of nuclear power on my county...

Well okay, we have like three. It's just not enough **** it.

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Well, to be fair, you guys did have that tiny fire at Windscale back in '57.

Course, the little leak at Sellafield in '05 might not help your case.


Don't get started on our issues...we already had 3-eye'd fish from all the chemicals we dump in our fresh water. Adding some rads to them isn't gonna hurt, might even clean them up a bit.
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Also, look at those comments. People are still pants on head retarded about nuclear energy.


Particularly love this one:

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First of all "George Carlin" your supposed to be dead. Second have you ever heard of Chernobyl, over a million deaths and counting. Third **** is going to be much worse. Forth they don't even have anywhere to store the nuclear waste. Do some research buddy!


Yeah... Maybe point that "do some research" at yourself there buddy. Over a million deaths and counting? Confirmed deaths from direct radiation exposure is listed at 31. Death directly attributed to the disaster as a whole is 64. While there are some wild speculations about the deaths of anyone and everyone within hundreds of miles of the disaster (and even the most wild speculations stop in the quarter-million range), the reality is that the death rate of all those who even *might* have been exposed to radiation outside those listed in the direct death lists is not significantly higher than the death rate among any random population with similar demographics.


Even the worst nuclear disaster ever claimed fewer direct deaths (over 25 years) than a typical year of coal power does. But let's not let research get in the way of a good hysteria!
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That's the worst George Carlin impersonation I've ever read, though.
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Over a million deaths and counting? Confirmed deaths from direct radiation exposure is listed at 31.

Maybe they're counting the times I got headshotted in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
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Well, to be fair, you guys did have that tiny fire at Windscale back in '57.

Course, the little leak at Sellafield in '05 might not help your case.


Don't get started on our issues...we already had 3-eye'd fish from all the chemicals we dump in our fresh water. Adding some rads to them isn't gonna hurt, might even clean them up a bit.

Semi-necro. Nationally we do quite well. I believe something like 15% of the UK energy production is from Nuclear energy.

I was specifically talking about my county, Kent. We've only got one Nuclear power station, in a place called Dungeness. We need more, but people are largely uneducated on the risks of nuclear power. It's something of a hot button phrase. People are all like "NO CHERNOBYL WARGARBL!".
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My Dad's currently working at Indian Point. The place is nearing it's 40th & the end of it's run. The company that owns it, wants a 20 year renewal, but isn't sure if it's going to get one (considering it's original contract was 20 years and it wasn't built to go longer than 40)so isn't investing in infrastructure unless it has too (but is still making a killing in profit. Same company owns Plymouth and a few others in the NE). In fact, they recently lost an appeal for waivers on 100 fire code violations. Guess they'll have to fix that, now.

At the same time, the **** that went down in Japan came down to the fact they had spent fuel on site (and, ya know, 2 acts of god in a row). All sites in the NE store on site. We built a billion dollar facility in NV underground to store it, but NV won't let anyone send it there. Even though he still does work on the "hot" side in 40ish year old plants he helped build, he finds its much cleaner than working in coal plants.

It is kinda scary that he can only absorb +100x less rads than he could 40 years ago, though. I welcome new and better Nuke plants.
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My Dad's currently working at Indian Point. The place is nearing it's 40th & the end of it's run. The company that owns it, wants a 20 year renewal, but isn't sure if it's going to get one (considering it's original contract was 20 years and it wasn't built to go longer than 40)so isn't investing in infrastructure unless it has too (but is still making a killing in profit. Same company owns Plymouth and a few others in the NE). In fact, they recently lost an appeal for waivers on 100 fire code violations. Guess they'll have to fix that, now.
Decommissioning will be costly.

The current lack of permanent storage for spent fuel rods is the one thing that bugs me about moving forward with new plants. The 'worry about it later' attitude seems foolish when you're talking about nuclear energy.
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It is kinda scary that he can only absorb +100x less rads than he could 40 years ago, though. I welcome new and better Nuke plants.
As far as I know, and last I much checked, there were no indications of increased risks of cancer for workers at modern nuclear energy plants. Exposure from accidental release however, would likely be a pretty tragic deal.
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I'd imagine new plants would be a bit safer than the old & decrepit things we have running now.
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I'd imagine new plants would be a bit safer than the old & decrepit things we have running now.

You'd be right. The issue from Nuclear power comes from the large start up costs. This is a bad reason to not invest in nuclear energy, though. It's a valuable stop gap in weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels. It buys time for "green" technology to be developed to a point where it is useful!
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I'd imagine new plants would be a bit safer than the old & decrepit things we have running now.

You'd be right. The issue from Nuclear power comes from the large start up costs. This is a bad reason to not invest in nuclear energy, though. It's a valuable stop gap in weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels. It buys time for "green" technologycold fusion to be developed to a point where it is useful!

The debates about "green power" are so annoying, I think we need to look elsewhere.
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I'd imagine new plants would be a bit safer than the old & decrepit things we have running now.

You'd be right. The issue from Nuclear power comes from the large start up costs. This is a bad reason to not invest in nuclear energy, though. It's a valuable stop gap in weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels. It buys time for "green" technologycold fusion to be developed to a point where it is useful!

The debates about "green power" are so annoying, I think we need to look elsewhere.


That's why there's a real legitimate desire to build a moon base.
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I'd imagine new plants would be a bit safer than the old & decrepit things we have running now.

You'd be right. The issue from Nuclear power comes from the large start up costs. This is a bad reason to not invest in nuclear energy, though. It's a valuable stop gap in weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels. It buys time for "green" technologycold fusion to be developed to a point where it is useful!

The debates about "green power" are so annoying, I think we need to look elsewhere.


That's why there's a real legitimate desire to build a moon base.

Yup! Only problem is that it'll probably be some Russian politician/businessman who gets it done and holds the rest of the world in thrall. Can you imagine Putin with a chokehold on this kind of energy market?
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I'd imagine new plants would be a bit safer than the old & decrepit things we have running now.

You'd be right. The issue from Nuclear power comes from the large start up costs. This is a bad reason to not invest in nuclear energy, though. It's a valuable stop gap in weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels. It buys time for "green" technologycold fusion to be developed to a point where it is useful!

The debates about "green power" are so annoying, I think we need to look elsewhere.


That's why there's a real legitimate desire to build a moon base.



Would need a really long extension cord no? Smiley: smile
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I'd imagine new plants would be a bit safer than the old & decrepit things we have running now.

You'd be right. The issue from Nuclear power comes from the large start up costs. This is a bad reason to not invest in nuclear energy, though. It's a valuable stop gap in weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels. It buys time for "green" technologycold fusion to be developed to a point where it is useful!

The debates about "green power" are so annoying, I think we need to look elsewhere.


That's why there's a real legitimate desire to build a moon base.



Would need a really long extension cord no? Smiley: smile


They'd beam it back over lasers, and big transmitters/receivers (just don't accidentally fly through the path of the transmitted energy).

I've worked with a few wireless power/signal transmitters that work with high currents over short distances. Of course "high" in this case was you know... 24VDC maybe 5-10Amps. Only up to 10mm or so. Anything metal that is placed between them is heated up very quickly.
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Would it be able to penetrate though. I know they have been doing this somewhat with HARRP but all the data shows it is absorbed by the Ionsphere. So if it was coming from the other direction the same would occur.

The only way to harvest this would be to find a way to harvest the Ionsphere, which might be possible if you have a large enough lightning rod.
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Would it be able to penetrate though. I know they have been doing this somewhat with HARRP but all the data shows it is absorbed by the Ionsphere. So if it was coming from the other direction the same would occur.

The only way to harvest this would be to find a way to harvest the Ionsphere, which might be possible if you have a large enough lightning rod.


I just vaguely remember a bit on TLC about transmitting power from the Moon to Earth using them. I think they had small scale models lighting LEDs from a height, etc.

Of course, it's the same type of shows that talk about how if a black hole appeared over Earth, you'd be slowly stretched and would grow in height.
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The energy loss via beams is pretty high.

It'd be better to just ship it back with the reduced cost of launching package vehicles from the moon to earth.
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The energy loss via beams is pretty high.

It'd be better to just ship it back with the reduced cost of launching package vehicles from the moon to earth.


Oooh! And to save cost even more, we could use clones to do the mining! What could possibly go wrong?
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