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#202 Feb 19 2012 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Athletic scholarships are a good way for kids from poorer backgrounds to get into University, though. Which is nice.


You're making the assumption that poor and athletic students can't earn other scholarships, i.e. academic.

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#203 Feb 19 2012 at 6:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
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Athletic scholarships are a good way for kids from poorer backgrounds to get into University, though. Which is nice.


You're making the assumption that poor and athletic students can't earn other scholarships, i.e. academic.

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#205 Feb 20 2012 at 2:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apropos to the military budget discussion:
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While everyone knows that the defense budget is large -- even in the numbers that the public sees as the formally admitted figures by the Department of Defense -- the truth is that when one scratches beneath the bureaucratic veneer, national security spending is much larger, nearly double the amount US citizens are told.

A Republican, numbers-compulsive defense wonk at the Center for Defense Information, Winslow Wheeler, has published a great summary of what America's defense budget 'really' is.


Spoiler: It's $986 billion for 2012 and $994 billion for 2013.
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#206 Feb 21 2012 at 3:25 AM Rating: Default
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As a discussion on how to spend money, you should ask "Is the intent or mission being met?" If the mission is being met, then you ask the second question. Is there any place where we can cut spending.

That's like saying "We'll start with a Ferrari to drive to the store and, if it meets our needs, decide at a later date if we should save money by switching to a cheaper car" or "Let's lease a 150,000 sq ft building for our bread and jellies store and then see later if we should move to a smaller and more affordable building."

Works great if you have money to burn, I suppose. We don't.


Only if we had no concept of how much cars cost or the amount of space necessary to run that store. The reality is, some solutions are difficult, expensive and or long. History has shown that wars are not cheap. Therefore, we have a concept on the prices of war which makes your analogies invalid.

In counter to your example, that's like you being starving and saying "Hmmm.. I'm hungry, I'm going to start off with a Tic-Tac and buy more if I'm still hungry".

You should already have a gauge on how much food it will take to satisfy you and you should start there. Likewise, we know approximately how much money goes into being successful in war and you start there. Just because that number is higher than other things doesn't make it wrong by default.
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Almalieque wrote:
In counter to your example, that's like you being starving and saying "Hmmm.. I'm hungry, I'm going to start off with a Tic-Tac and buy more if I'm still hungry".

Right. If only... if only... there was a middle ground between a Tic-Tac and a ten course feast! Oh, if only a middle ground existed between a fifteen cent bullet and a trillion dollars a year!

Sadly, it does not Smiley: frown

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History has shown that wars are not cheap

History has shown that politics aren't cheap which is a much larger problem when addressing the military.

Edited, Feb 21st 2012 6:36am by Jophiel
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#208Almalieque, Posted: Feb 21 2012 at 9:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ??? That doesn't contradict my statement. Just because I like to waste money doesn't mean I can find a cheaper way to fly to the moon. Flying to the moon will still cost a lot and unless you don't want to fly to the moon, then you will have to spend that money even with frugal politicians.
#209 Feb 21 2012 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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Unless we have a centrally-planned Jophiel economy, I don't think it really matters that he's not omniscient with regard to military spending. There's this crazy thing we've had for a little while called "people who know what the fuck they're doing."

It does take a little while to grok the concept, but there's a small spark of hope in my heart. That might be the drugs, though.
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Almalieque wrote:
The thing is that you're acting like you know the middle ground, but you don't.
[...]Is there room for cut backs, of course, but neither you nor me know the exact amount.

I never claimed I knew an exact amount. I said we're spending too much on defense and "Well, it's working so far" is a really bad reason to continue doing so.

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History has shown that politics aren't cheap which is a much larger problem when addressing the military.
??? That doesn't contradict my statement.[/quote]
I'm just going to let that sit.
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#211Almalieque, Posted: Feb 21 2012 at 10:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're combining two RELATED concepts as one. The spender doesn't affect the price of the goods.
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I know I can't do my mission successfully if I don't get new carpeting in my office every year.
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#213 Feb 21 2012 at 10:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
The spender doesn't affect the price of the goods.
Actually, they do.
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Almalieque wrote:
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I'm just going to let that sit.
You're combining two RELATED concepts as one. The spender doesn't affect the price of the goods.

I'm just going to let that one sit.
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#215 Feb 21 2012 at 11:42 AM Rating: Default
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I know I can't do my mission successfully if I don't get new carpeting in my office every year.


As I said, I'm sure there are some areas where money can be saved (i.e. stupid studies, uniform changes, etc.), but we don't have the knowledge of the big picture in order to say anything other than "we need to save money". We can say that on any topic. I'm sure that there's money wasted on Education as well, that doesn't mean we should make overall statements of reducing spending on Education in reference to our national economic plan.

That is something that should be handled on a lower level. That money spent on your new carpet may have been allocated to be spent on something else. Just because it was wasted on carpet, doesn't mean that the allocated money isn't needed in some other area. After moving that money to another area, your budget might remain the same.
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That money spent on your new carpet may have been allocated to be spent on something else.
Oh, we're pretending that money isn't spent at the end of the year for the sole purpose of spending money to keep from receiving a reduction in funding for the following fiscal year?
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Almalieque wrote:
Just because it was wasted on carpet, doesn't mean that the allocated money isn't needed in some other area.

We need that money so we can mismanage it!
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#218Almalieque, Posted: Feb 21 2012 at 12:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Except it doesn't.. The actual price spent on a product is irrelevant. Something that is considered "expensive" or "more worth" will ALWAYS cost more and or have more worth than something that is considered "cheap" and or "less worth".
#219 Feb 21 2012 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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I'm just going to let that sit.
You're combining two RELATED concepts as one. The spender doesn't affect the price of the goods.

I'm just going to let that one sit.
I'd make it sit in a corner. Wearing a pointy hat.

Glad to see you're still battling the evils of asshattery, love.


Edited, Feb 21st 2012 12:24pm by Atomicflea
#220 Feb 21 2012 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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Lol at using relativistic, subjective classifications to try and make an objective argument.
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The Pentagon needs to get Alma on its PR payroll.


Speaking of mismanaged funds and all...
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lolgaxe wrote:
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That money spent on your new carpet may have been allocated to be spent on something else.
Oh, we're pretending that money isn't spent at the end of the year for the sole purpose of spending money to keep from receiving a reduction in funding for the following fiscal year?


No.. What I'm saying is that I'm sure that there were other areas where that money wouldn't have been considered a waste. Instead, it was mismanaged in order to support the next fiscal year.

Just because money was mismanaged doesn't mean that the money was a surplus. I'm not saying that it weren't, but you can't say unless you see the whole big picture. What we can say is that the money was mismanaged at a certain level. Once all areas are met and money is wasted, then yes, there needs to be a reduction in the overall budget.
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Almalieque wrote:
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That money spent on your new carpet may have been allocated to be spent on something else.
Oh, we're pretending that money isn't spent at the end of the year for the sole purpose of spending money to keep from receiving a reduction in funding for the following fiscal year?


No.. What I'm saying is that I'm sure that there were other areas where that money wouldn't have been considered a waste. Instead, it was mismanaged in order to support the next fiscal year.


That doesn't make sense. If it was needed, it wouldn't have had to be spent on carpeting...
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#224 Feb 21 2012 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know what you're trying to say
No, clearly you don't. This has nothing to do with the quality and everything to do with who purchases something.

An example: I will charge Joe Blow more money for one of my hotel rooms than I will charge a corporate client who stays at my hotel frequently. I will charge the government more money than I charge the corporate client, despite the government having more people stay at my hotel, but I'll still charge them less than I charge Joe Blow.

Everyone gets the same room, none of them pay the same price.

Why will I charge the government more? Because I can. They have bloated budgets and no one is truly held accountable. The same deal works for most products.


My absolute favourite customer though? Relocating military personnel. They'll come in, tell me they need a room for 3-4 weeks, I'll try to negotiate with them and they cut me off saying "I just need a room. I don't care about the cost, the military is paying for it." Oil and gad exploration companies are a pretty close second for the same reason.

So, yes, who the spender is does affect the cost. And it's not just as simple as government versus corporate versus individual. Costs will vary depending on the department spending as well.




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#225 Feb 21 2012 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
That doesn't make sense. If it was needed, it wouldn't have had to be spent on carpeting...
Yeah, he doesn't seem to even know how the budget is dealt with. I'm not going to be the one to correct his imagination this thread. Needless to say, it's done the previous year and leaves a good 15% off as a buffer in case something major occurs that needs repairs or such.
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My absolute favourite customer though? Relocating military personnel. They'll come in, tell me they need a room for 3-4 weeks, I'll try to negotiate with them and they cut me off saying "I just need a room. I don't care about the cost, the military is paying for it." Oil and gad exploration companies are a pretty close second for the same reason.
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