Education - Public vs PrivateFollow

So despite all the problems you listed, Rutgers is still a better education for a lower price than the alternative? What's the complaint then? Don't get me wrong, I agree with the idea of advocating for a better use of the schools money, but you presented this like the result was somehow a waste of your time/money/whatever.

If you're still able to get a good education at a good price, then it would seem like something is working. That's not to say it couldn't work better, but there's a whole range between "perfect" and "disaster". As a side point, I always find it amusing when people complain about such horrible things as high student teacher ratios and too many grad students teaching classes and not enough professors, etc. Once you get out of school and into the work force, you'll find that the challenges you face there will usually make the stuff you ran into in school seem silly in comparison.



You've written your state legislature then?

Notice I said public. We've been tossing them 15-40M more per year, so now their deficit is larger than their budget. And since they can't sustain their budget...

Cite 1, Cite 2, Cite 3.

Some fun facts from these:
1. Schiano was (and is until next year when his resignation is in effect), the top paid NJ employee in the nation, and one of the best-paid college coaches in the nation... despite never having won a championship... or even getting us to one. He makes over a million a year more (he makes 2.5, next makes 1.3).
2. We have been on the list of schools operating with the largest losses in athletics (and I THINK we are now number one, but this past years list hasn't been released yet, afaik).
3. $22-26M has been transferred to the program, per year, since 2008, despite the fact that such was SUPPOSED to be impossible, given the contract regarding the stadium. Athletics were supposed to finance themselves from that, creating a surplus to pay back for the stadium. Instead, they are operating at a loss, and student costs are keeping them afloat.


And @gbaji, part of the reason I chose a public institution was because my rights were supposed to be a main feature of its operation, given that it (unlike private schools) was part of the state.

As someone who screams about public funds being used for even the most appropriate expenditures, I can't even remotely understand why you'd see no problem with this system. It's a massive waste of public dollars, and exploits the students in the process.

According to a link on a page of one of your cites, UNLV, which is a public university actually subsidized their athletics to the tune of 34 million making Rutgers #2 at 26/27 million. So, while your claim isn't completely true, you're close. As to your coach being overpaid, there are other coaches making close to, or more who also haven't won championships. I rate that claim false.

Yet you think it makes sense to trust a private company, with a profit motive, to do so?

Its ok if you hate sports, but a good athletics program does good for the college in the long run, just like a good arts program or music program. If you can get to the point where it generates considerable revenue then you roll that into academic advances.

Just like UoT. The big R is an example of a school currently looking for a revenue source. Rome wasn't built in a day. Maybe one day Ill take down my Buckeyes banner and replace it with a Big R, doubtful, but maybe one day.

No, they won't. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are an NFL team.

I take it you're not a sports fan? Let me clarify. The head football coach of the Rutgers Scarlet Knights college team left to take the same position with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers professional team. I'm not positive what the players' alternatives are. The incoming recruiting class may be able to ask the school to release them from their letter of intent to go to another college program they had passed on earlier, and the current players would have to sit out a year if they were to transfer to a different college, but I can guarantee they will not be playing for Tampa Bay this year.

Which is a stupid thing to do if you are trying to advance and athletic program. Generally you would want to keep your best athletes as long as possible. It is what attracts other athletes, and helps promote the team locally and nationally (internationally in the case of college football/basketball/hockey thanks to us Canucks.) It is what attracts dollars which is what the whole purpose of investing in an athletics program.


Their respective teams are not commitments? You really misjudge or misunderstand sports if you believe they have no commitment to the big R.

You may want to read this. Specifically, the box that says "Coaching Change".
http://http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/nli/document+library/reference+guide+to+the+nli

Nothing. That's why I wanted it included.

Great who invited stupid.