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#327 Feb 26 2012 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
I can't believe you people have managed to go on for a full 2 pages about the consistency of fast food soda dispensers.
#328 Feb 26 2012 at 1:40 PM Rating: Default
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Except the cups are, in fact, designed to hold increasing ounces of soda. That's an even less difficult concept and here you are stumbling all over with it apparently confused as hell.


Of course the cups are designed to hold varying ounces of soda. That's why varying amounts of ice is used to make up the difference. The simple fact that one cup is significantly larger than the other, no one actually stops and wonders on how much more of a drink they are actually getting. They assume it's significantly more due to the size of the cups, hence my point.

You are clearly the one stumbling over something that is blatantly obvious.

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You dumped your ice in AFTER putting soda in the cup? I guess you were retarded. Have fun with soda all over your hands


When I make my own drinks, I put in the ice first. However, if your goal is to fill the cup up with as much as possible, you actually put a little bit of ice in first, then hit the button then finish it off with ice. If you can't see any drink, then you might skeet a little bit more.

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For some reason you seem to think you can give ***-stupid accounts of how things are done there and people will blindly believe you, all common sense to the contrary.


Well given that you haven't listed one thing that would fit in that category, I don't see this is relevant.
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When I make my own drinks, I put in the ice first. However, if your goal is to fill the cup up with as much as possible, you actually put a little bit of ice in first, then hit the button then finish it off with ice. If you can't see any drink, then you might skeet a little bit more.


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Yeah, no. Putting ice in after ensures waste, because it's definitely going to splash out. That means the sides of the cup will be sticky as well, which is definitely not satisfying for the customer.

Plenty of companies put fill lines on the bottom of the cup, so employees know how much ice to put in. And the cups aren't designed to be filled to the brim in the first place.
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#331 Feb 26 2012 at 2:07 PM Rating: Default
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What does "dissected into literacy" mean? Because if it were possible, I think we'd all be happy to help with that.



'Twas a slight exaggeration. What I meant was that my comment was taken out of proportion. I merely meant that money was saved by serving something different. I was not going into the details on the difference, how the machines work, etc. When I said "diluted", I was comparing McD's Soda to a store bought soda, not McD's soda to some other form of McD's soda.

I can see how it was misunderstood, but that goes back to my point on how you all can take something so irrelevant so literal but not for something that actually matters to people.
#332 Feb 26 2012 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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I've never been that excited about not seeing soda in my cup that I skeeted. But that's just my experience.
#333 Feb 26 2012 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
I worked at Sonic my entire high school career, and part of my college career. Never did a route 44 button at the fountain fill a small cup. Nor did the "large" button. And the "small" button did not come close to filling a large cup.

Also: most fast food places (where you can actually eat inside) have you fill your own cup with ice and soda, so it's not like this discussion is even relevant....
#334 Feb 26 2012 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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I can't believe you people have managed to go on for a full 2 pages about the consistency of fast food soda dispensers.


Liar.
#335 Feb 26 2012 at 5:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Of course the cups are designed to hold varying ounces of soda. That's why varying amounts of ice is used to make up the difference.

The same percentage of ice is used per cup. Unless your argument is that they pack tons of ice into a large cup and no ice into a small cup which would be patently stupid.

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When I make my own drinks, I put in the ice first.

Did you or did you not fill cups by putting in the soda first and then dumping ice in afterward into the soda?

Mind you, this is stupid on multiple levels but you seem to be hinging your comments on it. I just want to be clear that this is what you did as a matter of procedure.
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#336 Feb 26 2012 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
At home, I always put the liquid in the cup, then drop the ice in. This is an incredibly old habit that I picked up from when I was young and didn't understand mass. I would ask my mom if I could have a pop, and she'd say I could have one glass, but that's it. So I'd pour the pop in first, then put the ice in, and thought that way I got more because I could see the level of the liquid rise in the glass when I put the ice in.

I was devastated when I learned that it was just the liquid being displaced by the ice.

I was not a very bright child, but I was an imaginative child. To this day, I still put the ice in last. I would say it's to remind myself humility, but really, it's just a habit now.
#337 Feb 26 2012 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, but a 44oz cup holds more volume than a 12oz cup. 32oz more volume to be exact. That would be, in fact, the reason why they're labeled in ounces capacity and not with vague descriptors such as "Tall & Thin" and "Short & Wide".

SCIENCE!


Ok, let me break it down for you..

Since people automatically assume that "taller" is always "more", they don't realize that they can get the same amount of coke in a 12 oz without ice as they can with a 44 oz with ice. When you look at the two cups side by side, it isn't palpable. It's really not a hard concept to understand.

Fucking Archimedes' principle, how does it work?
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#338 Feb 26 2012 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira wrote:
Also: most fast food places (where you can actually eat inside) have you fill your own cup with ice and soda, so it's not like this discussion is even relevant....

It's relevant for drive through orders.
#339 Feb 26 2012 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe you people have managed to go on for a full 2 pages about the consistency of fast food soda dispensers.


Liar.


OK it was more of a rhetorical observation, rather than a statement of truth.
#340 Feb 27 2012 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe you people have managed to go on for a full 2 pages about the consistency of fast food soda dispensers.


Oh come now! You sure as hell can, or you don't know us as well as you think you do.


Joph pretty much hit the exact points I was going to say (or repeat, or resay, or whatever). Every system I've ever worked with used compressed CO2 and worked on a vacuum pump type of deal. You don't change the syrup boxes until they start making crazy noises cause there's no syrup. It takes like 10 seconds to change them anyway. The vendors adjust the brixers, and while it's possible for some owner to decide to tweak with them to save himself a couple bucks a month, usually if they're out of whack it's just because they get out of whack every once in awhile. I suppose if the guy pouring the drink doesn't pay attention, it's possible to give a customer a drink absent sufficient syrup (right when the box goes dry). Usually, it's noticeable though, but never underestimate the incompetence of someone working the drink station at a fast food place.

The only thing I really have to add is that the whole "with or without ice" thing Alma's trying to make a big deal about only exists at the fountains that the actual employees use. They may have a button that is calibrated for different size cups. And they'll dispense an amount which assumes a preset amount of ice has also been put into the cup. So yes, if you order your drink with no ice, you will not get a drink that's filled with soda, but one that's the same amount of soda, just with less ice. But this isn't because of some evil plot by the owner to ***** you out of that tiny bit of soda, but because the employees are assumed to be too stupid or incompetent to operate a soda machine properly. That's what the buttons are for.


The fountains in the customer area don't have those buttons. If you want a drink with no ice, there's nothing preventing you from filling it all the way to the top. If saving that tiny bit of syrup was really worth doing, those machines wouldn't allow for free flow of the drinks.
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#341 Feb 27 2012 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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The only thing I really have to add is that the whole "with or without ice" thing Alma's trying to make a big deal about only exists at the fountains that the actual employees use. They may have a button that is calibrated for different size cups. And they'll dispense an amount which assumes a preset amount of ice has also been put into the cup. So yes, if you order your drink with no ice, you will not get a drink that's filled with soda, but one that's the same amount of soda, just with less ice.


And unless the fast food person is a complete idiot or the shift manager is a tyrant, they usually press the manual dispense button to fill the cup the rest of the way. If they don't, I'm the type of person to remove the lid and suggest they fill the cup.

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But this isn't because of some evil plot by the owner to ***** you out of that tiny bit of soda, but because the employees are assumed to be too stupid or incompetent to operate a soda machine properly.


Actually it is a plot by the owners (or rather, the corporations behind the owners) to ***** you out of that last bit of soda. It's been about 16 years since I worked fast food, but I distinctly remember (on multiple occasions, before the soda machines were automated) the regional supervisor pulling back a drink that was halfway through the drive-thru window for the sole purpose of lecturing the employee (and possibly the shift manager) about not putting enough ice or overfilling the cup. The planners that institute the policies behind these magical dispensers know full well exactly how much (or little) soda they can get away with selling per a given cup size, and in their ideal world, not a drop more is sold. Even at the cost of a mere penny, a million drinks sold with 3oz less might save $10,000.

It's the same reason they're supposed to charge you extra for that 1-2 more ketchup packets or extra barbecue sauce you specifically request at the counter / window.

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Welcome to the thread Brownduck. Sucker!!! ;)

Maybe 16 years ago, there was some idiot who thought that saving a few pennies on syrup was worth the effort, but pretty much every single place that serves any sort of soda has long sense realized that the cost is so low that it's more beneficial to give the customers whatever they want on soda. That's why pretty much every place has customer self-serve fountains now. They hand you a cup and you can refill as much as you like.

Why on earth would anyone spend any effort maximizing the soda/water ratio in the cup when they're letting their customers have as many refills as they want anyway?
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#343 Feb 27 2012 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Why on earth would anyone spend any effort maximizing the soda/water ratio in the cup when they're letting their customers have as many refills as they want anyway?


You're assuming that a majority of fast food customers actually go inside the restaurant.
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No he's not. If you're a drive through customer and complain that you got the wrong drink, then they'll replace it for you for free. If they don't, then they've got retarded managers.

As most everyone has said before, the soda part of a drink is largely immaterial to businesses. No non-idiot is trying to scrimp on soda by tweaking the nozzle dispense ratio or giving you too much ice. If you feel you're getting a lot of ice in your drinks, that's because the company believes that's how much ice the typical person wants. If the syrup to soda water ratio is off it's because the machine has not been calibrated correctly. The economic gain by pleasing customers from serving a consistent product far outweighs the thousandth of a penny saved by trying to cheat them.

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I can't believe you people have managed to go on for a full 2 pages about the consistency of fast food soda dispensers.


Oh come now! You sure as hell can, or you don't know us as well as you think you do.


Joph pretty much hit the exact points I was going to say (or repeat, or resay, or whatever). Every system I've ever worked with used compressed CO2 and worked on a vacuum pump type of deal. You don't change the syrup boxes until they start making crazy noises cause there's no syrup. It takes like 10 seconds to change them anyway. The vendors adjust the brixers, and while it's possible for some owner to decide to tweak with them to save himself a couple bucks a month, usually if they're out of whack it's just because they get out of whack every once in awhile.

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#349 Feb 28 2012 at 1:41 AM Rating: Good
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