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#52 Jan 19 2012 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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I had Tailmon on my ignore list for the longest time. Works much better than with that douche, since no one quotes her.


Wait... there's an ignore list now?
Aye, hover over someone's name and options pop up. Bottom option ti to put them on ignore. Treats them like a sub-d filtered post. You know they posted, but you can't see it unless you chose to open their post.


Works well WHEN PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING QUOTE THE POSTER ALL OF THE TIME! I'm looking at all of you Alma quoters. Smiley: glare
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#53 Jan 19 2012 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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If OOT'ers leaving is a side effect of this place getting boring, then I'm okay with it.

Newbie. I spent at least a year here before I was aware that the OOT even existed. The Asylum slowed down so much while the OOT revved on that a whole cartload of bored Asylumnites spent increasing time in the OOT. The Asylum almost died in the water for a while, which is when BT moved over to the OOT, took his Asylum rule-book with him and proceeded to give the admins headaches for well over a year. The admins didn't want to alienate all these Treehousers playing in the Sandpit, and the Sandpitters who had learned to play comfortably by Tree house rules. But they finally realised we were breaching the PG 13+ site rules and tried to drive us all back over to the Asylum.

We'd been indulging in the blackest of humour, adult humour, trolling and flaming in the OOT. BT was just plain flagrantly, publicly sociopathic. We got driven bacl to an Asylum that was supposed to be a space for those purposes... only to find that in our absence the remaining residents had met personally, had kids, and just couldn't bring themselves to troll or flame people they knew personally, and wouldn't carry on creatively in a way that was inappropriate to model for their 5 year olds. Probably just plain tired, now too. They didn't want to make rape jokes and wish each other dead. Which is absolutely splendid, change is good for people, and parents should be responsible people. But sober political and religious discussions, no matter how devisive, are OOT fare if they are conducted without the rape jokss and wishing each other dead, maimed, and tortured in horrible ways.

I'm not saying The Asylum can't be full of serious political and relious discussions. I like them too. But it's lost its old culture of verbal spice and chili. A mass, daily give and take of insults, statements and descriptions of poor taste, ooky things, psychological warfare, flirtations, innuendos, sexual tension, and senseless personal feuds (calling Almalieque, gbaji, et al stupid, racist, intolerant, stubborn, selfish etc is just nothing compared to the insults that used to fly around).

You reject someone, reject a post, rate them down, then call it done.

It's not done. Where is the flair? The creativity? The side-ways thinking? Where is the weirdness? The edginess? Where is the variety of subject matter, personal style, language style, vocabulary range, and post type? Where is the frivolity and on-purpose empty headed facileness? I'm at such low energy I can barely bring myself to post. I need some people or some one to bounce off. But no-one is bouncing. Or dancing. Or knife fighting. Or molesting. Everyone is on a stroll.

Edited, Jan 19th 2012 1:41pm by Aripyanfar
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#54 Jan 19 2012 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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If you beleive Ari's timeline and story, than BT pulled off the ultimante troll on the Asylum.
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#55 Jan 19 2012 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Kakar wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
I had Tailmon on my ignore list for the longest time. Works much better than with that douche, since no one quotes her.


Wait... there's an ignore list now?
Aye, hover over someone's name and options pop up. Bottom option ti to put them on ignore. Treats them like a sub-d filtered post. You know they posted, but you can't see it unless you chose to open their post.


Works well WHEN PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING QUOTE THE POSTER ALL OF THE TIME! I'm looking at all of you Alma quoters. Smiley: glare


I'll be goddamned. These are the things I miss when I don't visit much. I would have found this extremely useful back in the day...
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#56 Jan 19 2012 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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#57 Jan 19 2012 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
If OOT'ers leaving is a side effect of this place getting boring, then I'm okay with it.

Stuff


Thanks for that. It's like the expositional summary of a preceeding book I hadn't read. Now I feel like I know what happened while I was very rarely visiting.

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If you beleive Ari's timeline and story, than BT pulled off the ultimante troll on the Asylum.



Sonofa...

So did BT quit this place completely then?
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#58 Jan 19 2012 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Works well WHEN PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING QUOTE THE POSTER ALL OF THE TIME! I'm looking at all of you Alma quoters. Smiley: glare
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#59 Jan 19 2012 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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So did BT quit this place completely then?
Banned for raping gbaji.
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#60 Jan 19 2012 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
If you beleive Ari's timeline and story, than BT pulled off the ultimante troll on the Asylum.

Well, it's not like he can take any credit for anything. At the time he was usually blackout drunk.

I have a suspicion that's why he was so outraged by and incredulous of the final warnings and ban, so opposed to any notion that administrator opposition to his behaviour was in any way fair. I think Kyle was simply unconscious of scores of warnings that drunk BT received, and unconscious of countless past interactions with a host of admins.

Dr Jekyll got made to carry the can for all the stuff that Mr Hyde did.

Edited, Jan 19th 2012 2:10pm by Aripyanfar
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#61 Jan 19 2012 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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Huh. I wouldn't have guessed that. I always enjoyed his posts, imo he was one of the most creative regulars the Asylum had. Of course, I can see how his style wouldn't fly in the Sandbox, given the restrictions over there.

I remember seeing a few posts about him quitting drinking a while back, but didn't realize it was serious or anything. Regardless, I hope the dude is doing well.

Not to turn this into a puff piece or anything... wouldn't want to ruin whatever rep I once had.
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#62 Jan 19 2012 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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So did BT quit this place completely then?
Banned for raping gbaji.

Banned for saying in The Asylum that gbaji is a rapist.

To be fair to the admins, he was on his last last last last last warning with them. But I think there are at least a few other Asylumnites who feel like I do, that this is the place where we are promised that we can say outrageous stuff like that. The admins pleaded that no matter how much leeway they want to give in The Asylum, they have to stick to the Law, as a minimum. It leaves me feeling confused. This was created to be a place for people with strong personal boundaries, for people who were prepared to take nothing here seriously. If you wanted your person respected then the OOT was created for you especially. Don't walk into the kitchen if you can't stand heat. Now we've had times where posters have felt libelled inside the Asylumn, and admins have pulled out the "you are not allowed to break the libel laws on the internet" stick.

Confused and disappointed. Bounce flattened.
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#63 Jan 19 2012 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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I think the character limit on signatures needs to be reduced again since some people lack common sense judgement.
Or you could just, I don't know... fucking hide them.

Edited, Jan 19th 2012 2:20pm by Spoonless
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#64 Jan 19 2012 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
If OOT'ers leaving is a side effect of this place getting boring, then I'm okay with it.

Newbie. I spent at least a year here before I was aware that the OOT even existed. The Asylum slowed down so much while the OOT revved on that a whole cartload of bored Asylumnites spent increasing time in the OOT. The Asylum almost died in the water for a while, which is when BT moved over to the OOT, took his Asylum rule-book with him and proceeded to give the admins headaches for well over a year. The admins didn't want to alienate all these Treehousers playing in the Sandpit, and the Sandpitters who had learned to play comfortably by Tree house rules. But they finally realised we were breaching the PG 13+ site rules and tried to drive us all back over to the Asylum.

We'd been indulging in the blackest of humour, adult humour, trolling and flaming in the OOT. BT was just plain flagrantly, publicly sociopathic. We got driven bacl to an Asylum that was supposed to be a space for those purposes... only to find that in our absence the remaining residents had met personally, had kids, and just couldn't bring themselves to troll or flame people they knew personally, and wouldn't carry on creatively in a way that was inappropriate to model for their 5 year olds. Probably just plain tired, now too. They didn't want to make rape jokes and wish each other dead. Which is absolutely splendid, change is good for people, and parents should be responsible people. But sober political and religious discussions, no matter how devisive, are OOT fare if they are conducted without the rape jokss and wishing each other dead, maimed, and tortured in horrible ways.

I'm not saying The Asylum can't be full of serious political and relious discussions. I like them too. But it's lost its old culture of verbal spice and chili. A mass, daily give and take of insults, statements and descriptions of poor taste, ooky things, psychological warfare, flirtations, innuendos, sexual tension, and senseless personal feuds (calling Almalieque, gbaji, et al stupid, racist, intolerant, stubborn, selfish etc is just nothing compared to the insults that used to fly around).

You reject someone, reject a post, rate them down, then call it done.

It's not done. Where is the flair? The creativity? The side-ways thinking? Where is the weirdness? The edginess? Where is the variety of subject matter, personal style, language style, vocabulary range, and post type? Where is the frivolity and on-purpose empty headed facileness? I'm at such low energy I can barely bring myself to post. I need some people or some one to bounce off. But no-one is bouncing. Or dancing. Or knife fighting. Or molesting. Everyone is on a stroll.

Edited, Jan 19th 2012 1:41pm by Aripyanfar


Not sure if serious. I certainly wasn't.

Seems a bit melodramatic to me, though. I'm on the record as saying that I'd love for some of the "old Asylum" edge, but looking back, a lot of that old stuff that we're all nostalgic for was actually just kind of dumb. People got older, smarter, and more even-keel, yeah. But I think it's got as much, if not more to do with the fact that there really aren't any new folks around here.

I daresay I think I've been here longer than you, if that's what ya meant by "newbie". When I came in, I was dumb and ran my mouth off about all sorts of silly idealistic crap. There were a ton of others who did the same. Lots of posting across different forums. Lots of fireworks and the whole lot. Now people mostly keep to their own. I guess people are getting a bit more internet savvy, in that kind of way. That, and most of the more clueless people restrict their stupid to facebook and twitter, which weren't around back then. Don't get a lot of new people who wander in here unawares and find themselves in a fight. It's just the same old faces.

I do think that the OoT is, by and large, a completely other kind of dull, with the same root problem. It's an AIM chatroom among a few friends. That's basically it.

Just need some new blood. Or fresh meat, if you'd rather.

Edited, Jan 19th 2012 2:32pm by Eske
#65 Jan 19 2012 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Kakar wrote:
So did BT quit this place completely then?
Banned for raping gbaji.

Banned for saying in The Asylum that gbaji is a rapist.

To be fair to the admins, he was on his last last last last last warning with them. But I think there are at least a few other Asylumnites who feel like I do, that this is the place where we are promised that we can say outrageous stuff like that. The admins pleaded that no matter how much leeway they want to give in The Asylum, they have to stick to the Law, as a minimum. It leaves me feeling confused. This was created to be a place for people with strong personal boundaries, for people who were prepared to take nothing here seriously. If you wanted your person respected then the OOT was created for you especially. Don't walk into the kitchen if you can't stand heat. Now we've had times where posters have felt libelled inside the Asylumn, and admins have pulled out the "you are not allowed to break the libel laws on the internet" stick.

Confused and disappointed. Bounce flattened.


I think you have to keep in mind, that this isn't the same site that came over from UBB and split the OOT to the Sandbox and Asylum. It's owned by big corporate now, not just some lawyer/gamer in his basement. In my experience, one thing that corporations hate almost more than reporting bad performance, is legal issues. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point they just delete the Asylum just to avoid any possible repurcussions, and have everyone play nice.

It's not necessarily the Admins fault, as they are dictated what policies to follow, etc. Still, I get your point. They are effectively censoring everyone as to what is allowed. But again, it's their website so they can do what they want. We can chose to play along and abide by their policies, or find somewhere else that allows complete freedom of speech.
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Kakar wrote:
I think you have to keep in mind, that this isn't the same site that came over from UBB and split the OOT to the Sandbox and Asylum. It's owned by big corporate now, not just some lawyer/gamer in his basement. In my experience, one thing that corporations hate almost more than reporting bad performance, is legal issues. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point they just delete the Asylum just to avoid any possible repurcussions, and have everyone play nice.

It's not necessarily the Admins fault, as they are dictated what policies to follow, etc. Still, I get your point. They are effectively censoring everyone as to what is allowed. But again, it's their website so they can do what they want. We can chose to play along and abide by their policies, or find somewhere else that allows complete freedom of speech.


Could be that there isn't a way of ensuring total freedom of speech, as gov't laws can overrule anything dictated by the site, I guess. Or at least, make it murky enough that legal issues are still a threat.
#67 Jan 19 2012 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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Oh BT's style flew in the Asylum for a year. He and other Asylumnites "corrupted" it before the Admins realised it had gone too for for OOT rules, and the OOTs purpose in life. Then there was a year or two of warfare between the Admins trying to get the OOT back to a safe place to be, and the hardcore posters in the OOT who didn't want to be shifted into a dead Asylum, and barred from a lively, moving OOT.



Edited, Jan 21st 2012 12:01am by Aripyanfar
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It's just a guy who used to post not posting anymore. One who could be fairly amusing and entertaining, for sure. But I don't think anyone should be really worked up over him not being here, so I don't think it's anything that you or anyone else should be apologizing for. Besides, he certainly did it of his own volition, and I doubt he's real choked up over having done it. Dude seriously does not like Kao.

Don't guilt yourself over it.
#69 Jan 19 2012 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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I honestly never think of BT until someone mentions him. Don't get me wrong, I liked the guy. He made me giggle and I played some WoW with him. But like Eske said, he's just a guy that used to post here and now he doesn't.

Now Mrens on the other hand... /mourn
#70 Jan 19 2012 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Kakar wrote:
I think you have to keep in mind, that this isn't the same site that came over from UBB and split the OOT to the Sandbox and Asylum. It's owned by big corporate now, not just some lawyer/gamer in his basement. In my experience, one thing that corporations hate almost more than reporting bad performance, is legal issues. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point they just delete the Asylum just to avoid any possible repurcussions, and have everyone play nice.

It's not necessarily the Admins fault, as they are dictated what policies to follow, etc. Still, I get your point. They are effectively censoring everyone as to what is allowed. But again, it's their website so they can do what they want. We can chose to play along and abide by their policies, or find somewhere else that allows complete freedom of speech.
Facebook, Twitter O-bards for every MMO, I think these all impacted the traffic here. I think the American recessions did too, at least among the people I spent most online time with, all ex regulars from here, almost all went back to study, or changed jobs and are spending way less time online recreationally.

I totally get that the admins have to prevent legal problems, and obey the corporate rules, which will all have a reason to be in place. It's just a shame that this place is less lively than it used to be. And frankly, I think some of the liveliness came from the young and dumb posters. Youth and immaturity breeding conflict, and conflict being, at least, interesting.

I guess the reason why I occasionally harp on about the good old days here, and how I wish things would liven up again, is that no matter how dire it gets here, it's STILL a better forum community than anywhere else I've looked, and I occasionally look hard and extensively and in as odd places as I can think of. Everywhere I go the forums are modded to death, peer-pressured to death, or unreadable in layout. Said it before, will say it again: no matter how flawed the karma system here, the rate buttons serve excellently to let off social steam without going to the trouble of posting, quoting and writing out a reason why you extremely approve or extremely disapprove of a particular post.

I want this place to be interesting, because it's sure as **** less interesting anywhere else. Oh sure, you can get better discussions on particular subjects on sites dedicated to a particular purpose. But still. Modded to death.
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#71 Jan 19 2012 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I miss Kechup. Smiley: crymore I bet hardly anyone else remembers Kechup.
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Now Mrens on the other hand... /mourn

I miss Skeeter, and Thundra, and Totem, and the banjo-playing lesbians. Smiley: frown
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I miss Kechup. Smiley: crymore I bet hardly anyone else remembers Kechup.


oh, I remember him.
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Just a couple things to clear up after attempting to read this thread:

BT didn't get banned for calling gbaji a rapist, he got banned for making insinuations about p*dophilia towards Kao. THAT was the line he wasn't supposed to cross, and did. If you could get banned for calling gbaji a rapist, I think we'd all be banned by now.

Also, in case anyone missed the memo, Ari is ******* crazy.

Also, gbaji is a raping rapist.
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Lots of stuff


Apparently there was way more going on than I ever guessed.

Demea wrote:
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Now Mrens on the other hand... /mourn

I miss Skeeter, and Thundra, and Totem, and the banjo-playing lesbians. Smiley: frown


All of the above, to one degree or another.




Guenny wrote:
Just a couple things to clear up after attempting to read this thread:

BT didn't get banned for calling gbaji a rapist, he got banned for making insinuations about p*dophilia towards Kao. THAT was the line he wasn't supposed to cross, and did. If you could get banned for calling gbaji a rapist, I think we'd all be banned by now.

Also, in case anyone missed the memo, Ari is @#%^ing crazy.

Also, gbaji is a raping rapist.


Ahh, the old p3do card, that makes sense.

And yeah, getting that impression. Also, apparently Ari is a chick. Either that or BT actually did bat both ways.
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