lolgaxe wrote:
Whatever helps you hide from reality, sweety. 
I'm sorry, what AR was that again?
I apologize if you don't like me accepting unheard rules with no sources.
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I'm sorry, what AR was that again?
I apologize if you don't like me accepting unheard rules with no sources.
Like I said: Whatever helps you need to hide from reality, sweety. I know, as an officer that fear shakes you to inaction so I'm not at all surprised you're too afraid to do even the most minute amount of leg work. I'd even let you take credit for finding it all by yourself, like a big boy.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Like I said: Whatever helps you need to hide from reality, sweety. I know, as an officer that fear shakes you to inaction so I'm not at all surprised you're too afraid to do even the most minute amount of leg work. I'd even let you take credit for finding it all by yourself, like a big boy.
Still looking for that AR to support your claim? I'll wait.
Whatever helps you hide from reality.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Whatever helps you hide from reality.
Yes, an AR with actual quotes would definitely assist me in reality. So, go ahead. Unfortunately, It's 25 mikes from roll call and I don't know if we can come back here in the waiting room to wait out the remaining 5 hours ><. I may or may not be back today.. So if not, I'll have to continue our conversation at a later time.
Whatever helps you hide from reality.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Almalieque wrote:
You're confused.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Fuck you, Ugly. And most of all, fuck you, gaxey.
You're welcome.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
I want to see him circle around again.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Sir Spoonless wrote:
Fuck you, Ugly. And most of all, fuck you, gaxey.
No way, for once a post with lot's of Alma in it is thoroughly entertaining.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Sir Spoonless wrote:
Fuck you, Ugly. And most of all, fuck you, gaxey.
No way, for once a post with lot's of Alma in it is thoroughly entertaining.
Eske Esquire wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Sir Spoonless wrote:
Fuck you, Ugly. And most of all, fuck you, gaxey.
No way, for once a post with lot's of Alma in it is thoroughly entertaining.
ALMA isn't the entertaining part. It's how lolgaxe is playing off him. :P
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
I'm just going to leave this here for a little light reading.
No leniency should ever be granted to crimes of that nature or the acts that prompted this thread. The U.S. military has a history of downplaying otherwise criminal acts committed by its armed forces during times of war and doesn't really need any advocates from the "let's not punish them too severely" department.
Also, Gbaji can go **** himself.
No leniency should ever be granted to crimes of that nature or the acts that prompted this thread. The U.S. military has a history of downplaying otherwise criminal acts committed by its armed forces during times of war and doesn't really need any advocates from the "let's not punish them too severely" department.
Also, Gbaji can go **** himself.
DP'd
Edited, Jan 27th 2012 2:23pm by BrownDuck
Edited, Jan 27th 2012 2:23pm by BrownDuck
Quote:
Wuterich said his orders were based on the guidance of his platoon commander at the time. He has acknowledged the squad did not take any gunfire during the 45-minute raid.
It's amazing how the military prides itself on its rigid chain of command, yet when an illegal or immoral action is taken, nobody's really sure where it came from, or simply nobody gets punished.
Edited, Jan 27th 2012 3:29pm by Eske
Eske Esquire wrote:
It's amazing how the military prides itself on its rigid chain of command, yet when an illegal or immoral action is taken, nobody's really sure where it came from, or simply nobody gets punished.
Plausible deniability or something like that. Anyway, my (least) favorite part of the story was this:
Quote:
Military prosecutors worked for more than six years to bring Wuterich to trial on manslaughter charges that could have sent him away to prison for life.
But only weeks after the long-awaited trial started, they offered Wuterich the deal that stopped the proceedings and dropped the nine counts of manslaughter.
But only weeks after the long-awaited trial started, they offered Wuterich the deal that stopped the proceedings and dropped the nine counts of manslaughter.
Clearly someone was coerced into offering him a lesser plea. You don't spend 6 years building a criminal case only to throw it out the window after a sudden change of heart.
Atrocious, but considering they had just been subject to a fatal IED I can't say I fault them for their decision to search the surrounding homes, and although they were trigger happy I really can't say I don't understand what happened. It's a scary situation to be in. Your nerves are already frayed just being there, but then to explode and have your world turn upside down is another world of horror. Then going from dark room to dark room to confirm that while you're trying to just get out alive you don't get shot at some more, with possibly attacks that can make even the thickest armor look like paper? I don't fault them for their actions. After all that, though, I still say it is a ridiculous insulting slap on the wrist. I'm not saying I believe there should be jail time (War is hell and shit happens), but something other than a ceremonial joke of a reduction is required. He's not allowed to wear his rank for a minimum of six months? Big fucking deal. Actions have consequences, we need to accept that. This just shows the rest of the world that we've decided not to be responsible for our actions, and that is the real horror of this decision.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Quote:
Lawyers also said he has been exonerated of directly causing the deaths of civilians in the two homes and insisted his only intent was to protect his Marines, calling it "honorable and noble."
Protecting life is honorable and noble, yes. But protecting your squad's life by completely disregarding the value of the innocent lives around you is atrocious.
Yeah, accidents happen. These kinds of accidents only happen when someone makes a really, really bad decision.
Quote:
The plea deal that halted Wuterich's manslaughter trial has sparked outrage in Iraq, where many said it proves the United States does not hold its military accountable for its actions.
Their argument is, frankly, sound.
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I agree with Lolgaxe--I get why you can't blame a soldier for every single civilian death. It's not like they are trying to kill innocents. Though some of the aspects of this case are really horrific. Like the testimony from one of the survivors (a child) that says they systematically executed people in the houses.
I can understand a twitch response to a quick movement in the shadows. But little else about this case is within the boundaries of what I can accept.
Edited, Jan 27th 2012 3:46pm by idiggory
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
gbaji wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
What are you using as the basis for your belief? I'll wait.
An ability to think for myself? An ability to separate patterns of behavior? An ability to actually differentiate between the actions of those who are already enemies and those who are not? Perhaps the fact that I interact with people who live in that part of the world all the time who aren't involved in fighting the US, or trying to kill people, but just want to make their world a better place for themselves and their children.
You've seen only the worst parts. That might just be coloring your perspective a bit.
In business: "All of those liberals trying to use theory and mathematics to talk about the market are just stupid academics! You need real world experience to understand these things!"
In war: "Those damn soldiers are too close to the action to be objective! You have to be completely divorced from what's going on to properly analyze the situation!"
I love you, gbaji.
I think my favorite part is gbaji trying to tell someone they're stereotyping while he is always lumps all liberals or all dems into one category. It's even better in the GOP thread where he's insisting that you can't lump all reps into one box in response to Joph and Olo talking about how the GOP wants to ban abortion.
Ah, hypocrisy.
Ah, hypocrisy.
It's because gbaji is the only one that can think for himself. In, like... the whole world and stuff.
Belkira wrote:
I think my favorite part is gbaji trying to tell someone they're stereotyping while he is always lumps all liberals or all dems into one category.
The best is when he's responding to some other person's point and addresses his response to me. Sometimes when I haven't even posted in the thread yet.
Edited, Jan 28th 2012 11:01am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Maybe if you didn't have so many sock accounts...
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