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Huh, here the cheaper places are all out in the suburbs...only people who live out there are people with big families who can't afford a house in a more central neighborhood. Maybe it is because we don't have the slums you're so afraid of in your community.



Nope, never hear anyone making noise from the pub. I often go there and people simply behave themselves because if they didn't the place would be shut down. The most common "noise" I hear around my place is the horse and carriages clip clopping down the street and the drivers (what is the word for someone piloting a bike-cab) of bike cabs telling tourists about my neighborhood.



"crowded conditions" really? Battery cage hens live in crowded conditions, calling the average north america city "crowded" is a little silly imo.

At any rate I'm from a small town. If I wanted to live somewhere less "crowded", I'd go back to my hometown of 12K people, which is the largest community for a 7 hour drive in any direction. And I'd still have a walkable neighborhood.

I hear "noise" for sure (a lot of it is people driving, lol) but I don't hear noise from the pub. I live in a very quiet neighborhood. The horse and carriages make it an unattractive place for people to drive through.

As for liking to live out in the hinterlands, I totally get that. I grew up in a small town and loved visiting relatives who lived out of town (as well as just visiting places around)

Here, what wilderness there is is quite easily accessible by bike trail. If I lived in my hometown I would probably want more access to a car because the best part of that community is everything around it. Here that isn't the case.

Pretty much this. When I visit some friends of mine who live in North Park (a community pretty much like what Olorinus lives in), I constantly hear rattling from people moving through the alley out back, voices from people walking up and down the street a couple blocks away, shouts from folks "out on the town" at the local coffee shops, clubs, etc, and the occasional fights when drunks spill out onto the street from the bars (yes, also 2-3 blocks away). I'm always startled by the sounds, but they're like "Oh, that's just someone taking out the trash out back", or "that's just folks leaving the restaurant/club/bar/whatever down the hill being boisterous". And it's always followed with some reason why it's no big deal because it happens all the time, so pay it no mind.

And that's ignoring that I know for a fact that when we're sitting out on their porch, drinking beer and enjoying a nice summer night, that every neighbor within 50-80 feet (which is quite a few) can hear every word of our conversation through their open windows (because we can hear theirs). And I know that they can smell the smoke from anyone's cigarette who's smoking on that porch, because we can certainly smell it coming from anyone else nearby.


I'm not saying that the suburban neighborhood I live in is perfect in every regard, but it really is night and day how much less bothered you are by other people. I do agree that those who live in those types of neighborhoods just accept it and over time don't notice it, but it's really really noticeable to those who've gotten used to not hearing/smelling those things constantly.

That's mainly because in real cities there's either affordable, seedy downtown or ridiculously expensive downtown.

Didn't really have to guess which one you lived in.

Edited, Jan 10th 2012 6:37pm by Sweetums

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Freedom is about having options, and when your only option is a privately owned vehicle then no amount of pretty trees and roadkill between your home and civilization hides just how little freedom you really have.

I believe the key word was "real city." There are less than 100,000 people living in Victoria.

You're wrong. Even just counting Victoria (which would be silly) it is more than 100K

That's not what you said at all:




And frankly, if you meant what you just said, then what you said didn't contradict my statement you were responding to. I said that people move to the suburbs if they can afford to live there. The assumption being that it's more expensive to live in the suburbs than in the more urban areas you prefer (which may or may not include the cost of owning a car btw).


And given your examples, which included similarly sized homes (2 bedrooms, right?), your statement about having "big families" is misleading at best. The same sized home in the suburbs costs more than it does in your neighborhood, making your entire statement just plain false. A couple of roomates choosing a place to live would pay more to live in the suburbs. Your own data proves this and completely contradicts what you said earlier.

You never let that stop you.

Hushing don't make my ***** postcount grow.

Anyone who doesn't drive is not to be trusted!