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#27 Jan 04 2012 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Many participants in the local farmers' market here donate their unsold produce to food shelters every week rather than haul it away. Tax break for them, fresh food for the shelters.

Of course that might get pretty monotonous in a bumper year for cauliflower, or whatever.

"Oh, more turnips. Yay."

Not allowed to do that here. Can't donate fresh baked goods either. Anything perishable, the local food banks can't take. Canned or cash. I don't know if it's their policy or some local health law, but they don't accept anything that can't be stored for a long time.
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#28 Jan 04 2012 at 7:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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My take on the topic is, give where your heart tells you to give. Do the best you can. Are you going to save every child, extending the human population by a million or so person-years per year, before you save a single animal? Cause I'm not.

As far as which kids, my reflex is usually to donate to the Red Cross, because they've been doing the charity thing long enough to know how to cope with corrupt governments and what not. I'm sure everyone has totally altruistic motives, but I hate the thought of charitable contributions rotting in a warehouse or being sold to fill some tinpot's pocket. A certain amount of that is inevitable, but it should be limited as much as possible.

While I can follow your logic, I think that in practice these "save a kid" ongoing donations usually ensure that that child receives at least a decent primary school education. And it is demonstrably true that females who can read and write have FAR FEWER less children than illiterate females. In fact, get a nations children to a certain literacy level, and the birthrate drops to at or below replacement level without ANY government intervention in reproduction.

So I think that "save a kid" would probably have a good chance of leading in the long run to fewer offspring in that child's community overall.

I favour Community Aid Abroad because they guarantee that no more than 30% of their donations go into administration, and they specialise in long term on the ground comunity projects, that are far less likely to be stolen by armed tyrants. Things like wells, small damns, schools, farming tuition, that sort of thing. They do do more stealable items like goats and mosquito nets, but meh.
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#29 Jan 04 2012 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not allowed to do that here. Can't donate fresh baked goods either. Anything perishable, the local food banks can't take. Canned or cash. I don't know if it's their policy or some local health law, but they don't accept anything that can't be stored for a long time.

It's because your socialist government doesn't want anyone helping privately and potentially making Canadians less dependent upon the government for their every need.
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#30 Jan 04 2012 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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For years I gave up a small portion of my paycheck to The United Way. It was an easy unconscious way to do my part.

When I took my current position about ten years ago, one of my employees was the United Way Coordinator for my org. I saw all the fluff and junk and red tape that went into coercing people to donate and decided to do my bit of philanthropy elsewhere.

For the most part I try and give locally. The largest share of my cash donations probably end up going to a neighborhood soup kitchen/homeless shelter that my office regularly does collections for.


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I was double-posted. Smiley: mad



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Yeah, United Way ranks up there with the Susan G. Komen stuff that I won't give a dime to.
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Elinda wrote:
When I took my current position about ten years ago, one of my employees was the United Way Coordinator for my org. I saw all the fluff and junk and red tape that went into coercing people to donate and decided to do my bit of philanthropy elsewhere.


What kinds of fluff/junk/red tape, specifically? I'm curious.
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Elinda wrote:
When I took my current position about ten years ago, one of my employees was the United Way Coordinator for my org. I saw all the fluff and junk and red tape that went into coercing people to donate and decided to do my bit of philanthropy elsewhere.


What kinds of fluff/junk/red tape, specifically? I'm curious.
My wife used to do work with them, raising funds as a volunteer and gave up on it because so much crap was tied up in administrative wages and such.
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#35 Jan 04 2012 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Elinda wrote:
When I took my current position about ten years ago, one of my employees was the United Way Coordinator for my org. I saw all the fluff and junk and red tape that went into coercing people to donate and decided to do my bit of philanthropy elsewhere.


What kinds of fluff/junk/red tape, specifically? I'm curious.
They had all sorts of incentive freebies. There were weekly drawings for the freebies. The number of chances you got in the drawing was dependent on how much you donated - prizes were t-shirts, water bottles, candy etc. There was a final drawing for the 'big' prize - usually a gift card to some national retailer. There were two forms to fill out to 'enroll' - every year. They needed all your info as they deducted the money from your pay. Not a big deal on the part of the individual but it created a lot of work for the volunteer organizer.

Anyways all the hoopla caused me to think harder about my donated dollar.
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#36 Jan 04 2012 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Elinda wrote:
When I took my current position about ten years ago, one of my employees was the United Way Coordinator for my org. I saw all the fluff and junk and red tape that went into coercing people to donate and decided to do my bit of philanthropy elsewhere.


What kinds of fluff/junk/red tape, specifically? I'm curious.
My wife used to do work with them, raising funds as a volunteer and gave up on it because so much crap was tied up in administrative wages and such.

Yeah, if you take a look at their financial statement it's hard to figure out how they have any money at all to actually support a cause.
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That and the cult-like attempts to make you donate.
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#38 Jan 04 2012 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Still not nearly as bad as the ASPCA commercials.
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Sarah McLachlan should come around my office and ask me to donate in person.
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#40 Jan 04 2012 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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I need the tax breaks.

Is there something I'm missing? Tax deductions for charitable giving can make your giving cheaper or even free, but I never known any to net you an increase.


I never donate to try to net an increase. But I meant I donate for the tax deduction, not a tax break. Semantics got the better of me this time.
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The food banks around here cannot take unwrapped foods, but can take wrapped and sealed foods, even breads and veggies. So while a bag of potatos sealed at the factory can be donated, a loose potato from a garden cannot.

Doesn't matter, the local soup kitchen here gladly takes everything. ****, there was a local executive chef who donated three months of his life there to train the regular staff cooks on making healthy, delicious food with the ingredients.
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#43 Jan 04 2012 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sarah McLachlan should come around my office and ask me to donate in person.
I'd donate if they did it Wikipedia style.

"If everyone watching this commercial right now donated $5, we'd have made enough money to not play this commercial again til next year." Would be a **** of an incentive.
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Sarah McLachlan should come around my office and ask me to donate in person.
I'd donate if they did it Wikipedia style.

"If everyone watching this commercial right now donated $5, we'd have made enough money to not play this commercial again til next year." Would be a **** of an incentive.

Followed by the commercial: Nope, we didn't get enough money to not play the commercial again. If more people donate $5 and we hit our target, we'll stop.
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What kinds of fluff/junk/red tape, specifically? I'm curious.

I can't speak about United Way, I can offer another example of red tape getting in the way.

Haiti and Japan both had major disasters, but both are very different environments. Japan is a first world country, and money really wasn't an issue for them. If you gave to disaster relief in Japan chances are it didn't go there but was instead saved away for another disaster situation. Japan's primary problem with getting relief to certain areas was property rights. There were people who needed relief and trucks stuffed with aid but there is rubble on the roads, and that rubble can't always be cleared because it belongs to someone. Lack of funds wasn't an issue.
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My take on the topic is, give where your heart tells you to give. Do the best you can. Are you going to save every child, extending the human population by a million or so person-years per year, before you save a single animal? Cause I'm not.

As far as which kids, my reflex is usually to donate to the Red Cross, because they've been doing the charity thing long enough to know how to cope with corrupt governments and what not. I'm sure everyone has totally altruistic motives, but I hate the thought of charitable contributions rotting in a warehouse or being sold to fill some tinpot's pocket. A certain amount of that is inevitable, but it should be limited as much as possible.



Yeah, the RC is pretty much the only one I bother with as well. I broke down last year as our company did a drive for donations after the Japan fiasco, being as we have a branch office over there. I assumed they picked a good one, AmeriCares. So I donated 50 bucks, and now get loads of junk mail and email from them for everything under the sun. I don't know about how well they handle their donations, but after all the junk mail I've gotten from them I'm inclined to never donate through them again.

Now as for Sarah vs. Alyssa, I'd be inclined to do whatever Alyssa said as I had a crush on her since the Who's the Boss days. (Not really creepy, we're the same age)
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Now as for Sarah vs. Alyssa, I'd be inclined to do whatever Alyssa said as I had a crush on her since the Who's the Boss days. (Not really creepy, we're the same age)


Tough call. I like Alyssa, because I get her confused with Eva Longoria, who is a Spurs fan. Any spurs fan is okay in my book, and apparently so too for people who I constantly confuse for being a Spurs fan.

On the other hand, I love Sarah's lab in the commercial. It looks so doofy/happy. Think I'll go with Sarah, as IIRC the camera in her commercial isn't as uncomfortably close.

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Now as for Sarah vs. Alyssa,

In a Jell-O wrestling match? I'd donate to whatever the fuck they tell me to!

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My take on the topic is, give where your heart tells you to give. Do the best you can. Are you going to save every child, extending the human population by a million or so person-years per year, before you save a single animal? Cause I'm not.

As far as which kids, my reflex is usually to donate to the Red Cross, because they've been doing the charity thing long enough to know how to cope with corrupt governments and what not. I'm sure everyone has totally altruistic motives, but I hate the thought of charitable contributions rotting in a warehouse or being sold to fill some tinpot's pocket. A certain amount of that is inevitable, but it should be limited as much as possible.

While I can follow your logic, I think that in practice these "save a kid" ongoing donations usually ensure that that child receives at least a decent primary school education. And it is demonstrably true that females who can read and write have FAR FEWER less children than illiterate females. In fact, get a nations children to a certain literacy level, and the birthrate drops to at or below replacement level without ANY government intervention in reproduction.

So I think that "save a kid" would probably have a good chance of leading in the long run to fewer offspring in that child's community overall.

I favour Community Aid Abroad because they guarantee that no more than 30% of their donations go into administration, and they specialise in long term on the ground comunity projects, that are far less likely to be stolen by armed tyrants. Things like wells, small damns, schools, farming tuition, that sort of thing. They do do more stealable items like goats and mosquito nets, but meh.


We could just spay and neuter them. That's what Sarah MacLachlan does.
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Can we spay Sarah MacLachlan?
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