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#152 Dec 21 2011 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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So what's this GRE thing to the foreign uninitiated?
It's a standardized test that is useless in gauging anything other than your ability to take the GRE. However, schools use it as a form of criteria to reduce the number of applications they need to look at when accepting potential graduate students.


Very useful when your applicants come in with a 4.0+ from some school you never hear of, then struggle to break 1000 on the test. Smiley: nod
Eh, maybe. It could simply be someone who tests poorly in general, but is exceptional in practice, or just someone who doesn't do well on a standardized test that only scores you against itself.


Yeah, I never met the individual unfortunately, hard to which side to err on with something like that. Unfortunately for him there's no shortage of applicants these days.

Also relevant internships, job experience, and publications are awesome.
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#153 Dec 21 2011 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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Eh, maybe. It could simply be someone who tests poorly in general, but is exceptional in practice, or just someone who doesn't do well on a standardized test that only scores you against itself.


What's that Tosh joke? Ah, found it:

"Don't you love it when people in school are like, 'I'm a bad test taker.' You mean you're stupid. Oh, you struggle with that part where we find out what you know? I can totally relate see, because I'm a brilliant painter minus my god awful brushstrokes. Oh, how the masterpiece is crystal up here but once paint hits canvas I develop Parkinson's."
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#154 Dec 21 2011 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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It's not even cleverly denied--it's totally a test about taking tests. The questions are set up specifically to see how well you can apply test-taking techniques. The best way to prepare for the GRE isn't to study words or review math, it's to study techniques that allow you to use the test format for the best result.

At least half the math problems on the test won't require you to do any computations if you know the proper technique for that style of question.
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#155 Dec 21 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Eh, maybe. It could simply be someone who tests poorly in general, but is exceptional in practice, or just someone who doesn't do well on a standardized test that only scores you against itself.


What's that Tosh joke? Ah, found it:

"Don't you love it when people in school are like, 'I'm a bad test taker.' You mean you're stupid. Oh, you struggle with that part where we find out what you know? I can totally relate see, because I'm a brilliant painter minus my god awful brushstrokes. Oh, how the masterpiece is crystal up here but once paint hits canvas I develop Parkinson's."
Meh, I've seen some very intelligent people, who could apply all the skills and knowledge quite well, but were miserable at tests. They panicked.


I've never had the issues, because, well, I'm good at everything.
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#156 Dec 21 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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Eh, maybe. It could simply be someone who tests poorly in general, but is exceptional in practice, or just someone who doesn't do well on a standardized test that only scores you against itself.


What's that Tosh joke? Ah, found it:

"Don't you love it when people in school are like, 'I'm a bad test taker.' You mean you're stupid. Oh, you struggle with that part where we find out what you know? I can totally relate see, because I'm a brilliant painter minus my god awful brushstrokes. Oh, how the masterpiece is crystal up here but once paint hits canvas I develop Parkinson's."
Meh, I've seen some very intelligent people, who could apply all the skills and knowledge quite well, but were miserable at tests. They panicked.


I've never had the issues, because, well, I'm good at everything.


Oh, yeah, I agree. It's just a funny joke. I have a friend who's always been a terrible test taker. It's not that he's a super genius or anything, but knowing him, I can see the difference between his intellect and his performance when there's a time limit to his answers. He'll typically find the right answer, but it takes him a while to get to it. And that's mostly because his cautious nature makes him apprehensive of putting a final answer down. He never wants to commit to the answer, so he overthinks things. More of a personality thing than an intellect thing, it seems like.

Of course, I've also met some people that prove that there's some truth to the joke.
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#157 Dec 21 2011 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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Eh, maybe. It could simply be someone who tests poorly in general, but is exceptional in practice, or just someone who doesn't do well on a standardized test that only scores you against itself.


What's that Tosh joke? Ah, found it:

"Don't you love it when people in school are like, 'I'm a bad test taker.' You mean you're stupid. Oh, you struggle with that part where we find out what you know? I can totally relate see, because I'm a brilliant painter minus my god awful brushstrokes. Oh, how the masterpiece is crystal up here but once paint hits canvas I develop Parkinson's."
Meh, I've seen some very intelligent people, who could apply all the skills and knowledge quite well, but were miserable at tests. They panicked.


Can't speak for all the schools out there, but places will set their minimum criteria a bit lower to hopefully catch people who had a bad test day(s).

The hope being that if you are one of those people who just can't take test well you'll have done something else with your time. You know, come to the table with 2 years of summer internships, an understanding of the field, and maybe your named crammed in the middle of author list on a paper. You know, something to give people an inkling that you're more than just someone who sucks at tests.

Chances are if you're one of those gifted people you'll have accomplishments to point to, or at the very least be capable of succeeding without having a graduate degree at all.

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My wife is one of those people who fall into the bad test takers category. She will easily go through her assignments for HR, making policies and what not, but get her into the classroom where she has to sit down and take a test, her anxiety skyrockets and she just freaks out.

But, you put her into a situation where she has to apply her knowledge in a hands on manner and she will go above and beyond your expectations.

I find it fascinating really. What's more interesting I think are the people who can do the tests with flying colors yet you ask them to apply it to a situation and they completely fall apart.
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#159 Dec 21 2011 at 1:15 PM Rating: Default
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OR, I could do what I said, not read "good books" and be better prepared for the test.

These tests have common words. It makes absolutely no sense to read anything outside of those words in context to prepare for the GRE.


This is why flash cards are successful.

That is the only way to actually know the definition of the word. Strictly using context can cause you to fall in a trap. There are many words that are primarily used in one context which gives misleading definitions. For example, "belligerent" is often paired with alcohol. As a result, it may appear that "belligerent" has a definition relevant to alcohol or drunkenness when in reality it doesn't.
Frankly, all that this proves is that you have poor reading comprehension


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Studying words on flash cards that traditionally appear on a test as opposed to hoping to coincidentally run into them in novels is more like logic than anything else. There's nothing wrong with learning these words through leisure, but this isn't leisure time. It's study time for a specific test with specific words.

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So what's this GRE thing to the foreign uninitiated?
It's a standardized test that is useless in gauging anything other than your ability to take the GRE. However, schools use it as a form of criteria to reduce the number of applications they need to look at when accepting potential graduate students.


Very useful when your applicants come in with a 4.0+ from some school you never hear of, then struggle to break 1000 on the test. Smiley: nod
Eh, maybe. It could simply be someone who tests poorly in general, but is exceptional in practice, or just someone who doesn't do well on a standardized test that only scores you against itself.


I'm a poor standardized test taker. I'm trying to make this test the exception. I did decent on the Defense Language Proficiency Test for Spanish without any preparation, so I feel a little bit better about standardized tests.

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#160 Dec 21 2011 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm a poor standardized test taker.
I get the feeling you're just one of the stupid people, given the abundance of evidence shown here.
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By the time you're taking the GRE, you are supposed to have received at least an undergraduate education from an accredited 4 year institution, and have a college educated level of vocabulary, math and reasoning skills, and reading and writing skills. These days, if a kid goes through K-12 and the SAT and four years of college and still doesn't know how to take a standardized test, then we're really failing in our education since the teachers these days all complain about teaching test taking instead of real stuff.
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There's nothing worse for me to hear from someone in the military than "I'm a poor test taker." That implies they're prone to panic and stress, and that isn't someone I want anywhere near me in a firefight.
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There's nothing worse for me to hear from someone in the military than "I'm a poor test taker." That implies they're prone to panic and stress, and that isn't someone I want anywhere near me in a firefight.

Good thing he's just in Signals then, amirite?
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I'm a poor standardized test taker.
I get the feeling you're just one of the stupid people, given the abundance of evidence shown here.


Well, if I didn't make good scores on everything else, then you might would have a point. Given that I tend to make honor roll in advanced courses. just perform poorly on standardized tests, then you are wrong.

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By the time you're taking the GRE, you are supposed to have received at least an undergraduate education from an accredited 4 year institution, and have a college educated level of vocabulary, math and reasoning skills, and reading and writing skills. These days, if a kid goes through K-12 and the SAT and four years of college and still doesn't know how to take a standardized test, then we're really failing in our education since the teachers these days all complain about teaching test taking instead of real stuff.


Each test only tests you on how well you can take that particular test. The funny thing about standardized tests is that they are NOT part of the learning process. Your comment would only make sense if our unit exams and quizzes were "standardized tests". Given the fact that in a 16 year period of education, you MIGHT take 4 standardized tests, your comment is inaccurate.

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There's nothing worse for me to hear from someone in the military than "I'm a poor test taker." That implies they're prone to panic and stress, and that isn't someone I want anywhere near me in a firefight.


Orrrrrrrr.... like I said, I just over analyze the problem. Still not a trait that you would want during a fire fight, but it isn't panic and stress.

Besides, I didn't say that I was a bad test taker, I said I was bad at standardized tests. There's a huge difference.
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I used flash cards too, when I was five.
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I don't think analysis paralysis is where the problem lies.
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There's nothing worse for me to hear from someone in the military than "I'm a poor test taker." That implies they're prone to panic and stress, and that isn't someone I want anywhere near me in a firefight.
Relax, he's an officer.
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Well, if I didn't make good scores on everything else, then you might would have a point. Given that I tend to make honor roll in advanced courses. just perform poorly on standardized tests, then you are wrong.
All I have to go by is the evidence you put in front of me, mightwould.
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Alma saying his cognitive problems are due to overthinking is a bit like Newt saying he's a serial philanderer because of his passion for his country.

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I don't think analysis paralysis is where the problem lies.
It's the Encephalo Necrosis I'm most worried about.
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I don't think analysis paralysis is where the problem lies.


Never said that it was....
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Wait. Did Signal Corps ever get moved or is it still at Ft Gordon?

I miss that base a lot sometimes. More than, like, my actual house where I grew up.
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Wait. Did Signal Corps ever get moved or is it still at Ft Gordon?

I miss that base a lot sometimes. More than, like, my actual house where I grew up.


It's still at Ft. Gordon. I will be making my 3rd move there after I return :)
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Wait. Did Signal Corps ever get moved or is it still at Ft Gordon?

I miss that base a lot sometimes. More than, like, my actual house where I grew up.


It's still at Ft. Gordon. I will be making my 3rd move there after I return :)


I was born on the 13th floor of Eisenhower. My father worked on the 2nd floor for 12 years, and passed away on the 11th floor. When I hear the phrase "shining city on the hill" what I think of instead is the big gray Brutalist architecture hospital on the hill.
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Wait. Did Signal Corps ever get moved or is it still at Ft Gordon?

I miss that base a lot sometimes. More than, like, my actual house where I grew up.


It's still at Ft. Gordon. I will be making my 3rd move there after I return :)


I was born on the 13th floor of Eisenhower. My father worked on the 2nd floor for 12 years, and passed away on the 11th floor. When I hear the phrase "shining city on the hill" what I think of instead is the big gray Brutalist architecture hospital on the hill.


Well, I guess we were born in the same building..Smiley: grin
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Very informative thread. Smiley: thumbsup
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Is it only active military and veterans that can stay at the forts overnight?

I was jelly of my grandfather when he got to stay at Ft. Hood inexpensively with a much nicer room than any hotel >:/
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If you're on duty you can stay for free, but as long as you're in the service you can stay on post. I know immediate family can as well, but I'm not entirely sure what the deal is with extended family because I don't want to look it up. I believe you have to make reservations.
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Is it only active military and veterans that can stay at the forts overnight?

I was jelly of my grandfather when he got to stay at Ft. Hood inexpensively with a much nicer room than any hotel >:/


It depends on the installation and if you're talking about staying at lodging or at someone's house. I'm sure that there are more reasons, but that's all I can think of at the moment.
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We actually lived off base, in one of the many suburbs of south Augusta that exist for military personnel, but I went to church on base, went to youth group activities on base, did grocery shopping at the commissary, did clothing shopping at the PX, did computer camps and 4-H and Girl Scouts on base, all my friends were also from military families and some of them did actually live on base, and since my dad still worked on base... we might as well have also lived on base as well. Oh, and I went to the same middle school as the kids from base (although they went to different elementary and high schools.)

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Well, if you live off base, you can possibly benefit from whatever maybe left over from your BAH. That's the biggest benefit. Then you have nicer houses and privacy until everyone "finds the 'good' neighborhood". The really only good benefit of living on post is convenience. Shorter drive to work, school PX, commissary, etc., especially if you have a family. Other than that, it's better to live off post IMO.
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