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#202 Dec 20 2011 at 5:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Obama's getting crushed in all the polls.

All of them except all of them. Good point.
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Obama's getting crushed in all the polls.

All of them except all of them. Good point.

That's obviously a liberal mainstream media propaganda site because I've never heard of it.
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#204 Dec 20 2011 at 9:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Whoa, if you say it's an honest question, then that means it's anything but. Just what's your agenda, Bijou?
Uh...the truth?
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#205 Dec 21 2011 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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this is shaping up to be one of the most hilarious and awesome political spectacles I've seen in awhile. I don't think the pubbies have a hope of defeating obama, honestly - even with the left wing disillusion.
Romney would have a shot, but he's really got a long way to go to get the nomination. As far as the primaries go, he's going to really get hit in the bible belt, but if he gets the nod, he'll be able to pick up a lot of independents in key battleground states. I'm not saying he'd win, but he'd be a serious threat.
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Nah, it'll be Romney for the nomination. He has the network built up in the states and the money to run the operation (and to self fund if need be). Everyone else will be hurting for cash and staff by the time S. Carolina is over.

It may not be the quick win Romney would like but I'm confident that it'll ultimately be Romney.
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#207 Dec 21 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Whoa, if you say it's an honest question, then that means it's anything but. Just what's your agenda, Bijou?
Uh...the truth?
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Why would secular atheists let someone get away with instituting Sharia?

Usually it gets purged, if they are strong enough, if history is to be an indicator.

If they are lucky they just get "sent to Siberia".
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Why would secular atheists let someone get away with instituting Sharia?

Usually it gets purged, if they are strong enough, if history is to be an indicator.

If they are lucky they just get "sent to Siberia".


I'm afraid I've not explained it properly.


How'd you like an all expenses paid vacation to Siberia?
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Nah, it'll be Romney for the nomination. He has the network built up in the states and the money to run the operation (and to self fund if need be). Everyone else will be hurting for cash and staff by the time S. Carolina is over.

And, on that note, Gingrich failed to get enough signatures to make it onto the Virginia primary ballot. This is what a poorly staffed campaign will get you.
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Nah, it'll be Romney for the nomination. He has the network built up in the states and the money to run the operation (and to self fund if need be). Everyone else will be hurting for cash and staff by the time S. Carolina is over.

And, on that note, Gingrich failed to get enough signatures to make it onto the Virginia primary ballot. This is what a poorly staffed campaign will get you.


Ouch. That's really fail.
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Gingrich and Perry. How do you miss this incredibly easy mark? It's like they weren't even trying.
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No one except Romney and Paul made it on but I find't mention the rest because they don't have a chance in **** anyway.
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Romney would have a shot, but he's really got a long way to go to get the nomination.


Interesting point. The opposite is true, of course, and obvious from even a cursory examination of the simple mathematical process hurdles faced by any other candidate, but you ignored that and just made a wild ficking guess. God bless you, without snuggie buying payday loan procuring swinging ***** like you this country would be nothing.
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Anyone else find the GOP puts to much into Iwoa? I mean 3/6 notable names are more or less all in, and its the first primary. Its even funnier when the state has had less than notable turnout since well forever (for both parties.)
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#220 Dec 29 2011 at 9:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's just there for momentum, really. Win early, look like a winner, hope it's a self fulfilling prophecy, etc. Doesn't work every time, or even very often; but I suppose it's hard to ignore that first fight.
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makes sense i guess, but personally if I were running for office, Id ignore the place where less then 50% of my own party turns out on a regular basis. Even if I was leading in the polls with a 50% take, 65K "voters" hardly sounds worth the money some have dumped into this place. Especially considering my parties track record of having 3 people nominated in the last 50 years as a result of wining. Personally my money would be going to real caucuses like Carolina.
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Some candidates do, of course. Campaign strategy is like any other long-term operation. You try to balance resources spent against potential gain, including hampering your opponents or even giving temporary succor to one opponent in order to harm a stronger one. Like making a deal in Monopoly. Smiley: laugh

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That and Iowa is considered a swing state in the general election so there's more pandering going on than perhaps otherwise.
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#224 Dec 31 2011 at 4:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Romney would have a shot, but he's really got a long way to go to get the nomination.


Interesting point. The opposite is true, of course, and obvious from even a cursory examination of the simple mathematical process hurdles faced by any other candidate, but you ignored that and just made a wild ficking guess. God bless you, without snuggie buying payday loan procuring swinging ***** like you this country would be nothing.
Oh, hey, let's reply to an 8 day old post. I'm sure that the political climate when I posted something and when you replied were exactly the same. Go have another freak out in Disneyworld.
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Gingrich sharply criticized Paul in an interview with CNN for what he said were "racist, anti-Semitic" comments in newsletters that carried Paul's name in the 1990s


Pot Kettle, Kettle Pot and all that. I so look forward to the spring/early summer when the real mud starts getting thrown around. I should buy Stock in Kleenex just in case, especially if Newt sticks around.
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#227 Dec 31 2011 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Romney would have a shot, but he's really got a long way to go to get the nomination.


Interesting point. The opposite is true, of course, and obvious from even a cursory examination of the simple mathematical process hurdles faced by any other candidate, but you ignored that and just made a wild ficking guess. God bless you, without snuggie buying payday loan procuring swinging ***** like you this country would be nothing.
Oh, hey, let's reply to an 8 day old post. I'm sure that the political climate when I posted something and when you replied were exactly the same. Go have another freak out in Disneyworld.


To be honest, it's been painfully obvious that Romney's going to win for a very long time. It's hard to keep a straight face as each new joke candidate is thrown up onto the stage only to be pulled off moments later and replaced with another when the laughter gets too much. It's like a quiz show called 'Anyone But Mitt Romney, @#%^.', and no-one knows any of the answers.

Not even the location of Ubekibekistan.

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While Romney appeals to a lot of the saner and more moderate masses of the GOP including "the Establishment" he's a non starter for the evangelicals. Wrong brand of Christianity and all.

They're still desperate for Bachmann to suddenly become sane or Santorum to magically become not a euphemism-for-***-***-byproducts but the odds of either happening in the next few days are pretty much nil.
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if i was an American citizen for one, and a republican for two, Id be voting for Ron Paul. You may ask why, so here is my answer.

Obama is not going to lose the 2012 election, the Pubs just do not have a candidate that can compare. Obama will roast anyone in a Debate, and he has the ammo to do so. He pretty much had the standard first term, let the house/senate call the shots then throw them under the bus for term 2. Considering no real rival (to be honest Ron Paul is probably the best opportunity the GOP has but I digress) in the election, Obama can coast in on "we need more Bipartisan effort, I tried here is my record, the house and the senate are to blame...."

Obama will be president again, simply because the GOP does not have a candidate, there is one most people dislike and want to support someone else (Rommney) There is one people like but think he is a Nutter (Paul) and then there is the flavor of the week, sh*t at this rate Gbaji could put his name into the hat and mid march might be number 1 in GOP polling.


(that and I think the Fed needs to be scrutinized, they have been very closed book and iirc have never had a formal audit. I am not buying into conspiracy theory but its odd they haven't been audited no?.)

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While Romney appeals to a lot of the saner and more moderate masses of the GOP including "the Establishment" he's a non starter for the evangelicals.

People overestimate the effect of the Mormon thing. At most, it might slightly depress turnout among one group of voters but it won't be significant.
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#231 Dec 31 2011 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, hey, let's reply to an 8 day old post. I'm sure that the political climate when I posted something and when you replied were exactly the same. Go have another freak out in Disneyworld.

Don't get your knickers in a twist, it was completely wrong when you originally posted it, too.
#232 Dec 31 2011 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, hey, let's reply to an 8 day old post. I'm sure that the political climate when I posted something and when you replied were exactly the same. Go have another freak out in Disneyworld.

Don't get your knickers in a twist, it was completely wrong when you originally posted it, too.
When Newt was leading in all the polls? If nothing else, it was somewhat wrong and not completely wrong.
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#233 Dec 31 2011 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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After 3 or 4 other people had the exact same lead before crashing and burning? And when everyone was at least tacitly admitting that Newt had too much baggage to even have a shot at the primary?
#234 Jan 01 2012 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
3 or 4 other people had an ascendency which lead to a crash and burn precisely because there is an anyone but Mitt faction in the Republican Party. You truly can't see why I said what I said, back then?
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To be honest, it's been painfully obvious that Romney's going to win for a very long time. It's hard to keep a straight face as each new joke candidate is thrown up onto the stage only to be pulled off moments later and replaced with another when the laughter gets too much. It's like a quiz show called 'Anyone But Mitt Romney, @#%^.', and no-one knows any of the answers.

That's just a side show on the larger GOP program, "Anyone But Obama".
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3 or 4 other people had an ascendency which lead to a crash and burn precisely because there is an anyone but Mitt faction in the Republican Party. You truly can't see why I said what I said, back then?

First, not that much has happened politically in the last week, so it's not like we're talking about a completely different climate or anything here.

Second, no, I really do not understand how you held that point of view, and I didn't when I first read it, either.

And last, I only really chimed in because I thought it was funny how butthurt you were getting over Smash, of all people.
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Man, these Iowa Caucuses alerts on my phone are killing me...

Especially since they're not mentioning Ron Paul anymoreSmiley: mad

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3 or 4 other people had an ascendency which lead to a crash and burn precisely because there is an anyone but Mitt faction in the Republican Party. You truly can't see why I said what I said, back then?


Oh Hai!

It's me, Smasharoo from December 11, 2011.


Romney has to do far more than demonstrate that he's unlike the average voter to lose this. It's more fun to watch if there's some sort of horse-race element, but there isn't. No one else has any chance in **** in the general election, the GOP is nothing if not easily compliant, it's the entire philosophy that allows them to be a viable party. GOP voters simply do what they're told. They'll be told to vote for Romney, and they will. There's literally never been a GOP candidate in my lifetime who wasn't the establishment choice. It's the "wait until it's your turn" party.

The Democratic primary can be interesting. Democrats weakness is they aren't as easily lead and can come up with a Dukakis or a Mondale or an Obamma once in a while. The GOP primary is just boring. You nearly allays know the winner by December of the year before the election.


Wow! Look at that, 6 days before your random douchebaggery took place. I guess the only explanation is that it was obvious that Romney would be the nominee 6 days before you posted AND 8 days after, but for that brief shining moment in time, he was in real trouble.

Or, fuckstick, you lazily repeated a media narrative because you're a child. One of those definitely happened.
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#241 Jan 04 2012 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
Ehhh the second quote of his wasn't mine. So not just me.
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Ehhh the second quote of his wasn't mine. So not just me.


You're under the mistaken impression that Smash needs you to have written something to argue with you over it, eh?

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While Romney appeals to a lot of the saner and more moderate masses of the GOP including "the Establishment" he's a non starter for the evangelicals.

People overestimate the effect of the Mormon thing. At most, it might slightly depress turnout among one group of voters but it won't be significant.

Exiting polling information was interesting though. According to (lulz) CNN, 6 in 10 of the voters were Evangelicals, and a plurality voted for Santorum (he also was most popular in those considering themselves "very conservative" or part of the Tea Party). So it seems like while the religion thing wasn't a huge detriment, there was also definitely a decision on the part of Evangelicals to choose Santorum over Romney. Romney was most popular among people who felt that having business experience or the ability to defeat Obama were most important. Paul was overwhelmingly popular among young voter and first-time caucus goers.

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I'd argue they should have said "Paul dominated among the younger voters," not necessarily the outsiders, but that pretty much sums it up.

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Ehhh the second quote of his wasn't mine. So not just me.
That was him, quoting himself, showing you what he had said earlier, before you posted the comment he's attacking, if my Smash translation is working.


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"Dominating the outsiders" is about as good a sign as "The chess club is behind you!" is for school elections.
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So it seems like while the religion thing wasn't a huge detriment, there was also definitely a decision on the part of Evangelicals to choose Santorum over Romney.

I assume that had more to do with the belief that Santorum was their No Abortion/No Gays candidate than a concern about Mormanism.

It'll be good theater to see Gingrich go all-out on Romney. He's pretty ****** about the Romney-allied PACs tearing him down in Iowa.
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"Dominating the outsiders" is about as good a sign as "The chess club is behind you!" is for school elections.

Whereas "Getting young and first-time voters behind you" is what led Obama to win in 2008.
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There were way more factors to Obama's victory than getting young and first time voters. While obviously getting more voters is never a bad idea for a candidate, I simply don't hold much faith that it's that huge of a deal this early on.

Romney beats Santorum by 8 votes, each with 25% while Paul gets 21% and Gingrich 13%.
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Santorum also still has that huge Google problem.

I'm sure there's quite a few low information GOPers who heard Santorum tied with Romney, decided they probably better learn something about this Santorum dude, and got a nasty NSFW surprise when they searched Google and just randomly clicked the first few links.
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funny my coworker just mentioned that - he was like "what the **** is up with the results from googling Santorum" (cause he never caught the whole interchange with Dan Savage)

Gotta hand it to Savage, though - for really throwing a wrench into a bigot's chance to run for president
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Well, apparently bachmann has pulled out.
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