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#252 Jan 04 2012 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, apparently bachmann has pulled out, leaving Santorum all over the place.

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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Well, apparently bachmann has pulled out.

Was the result a heaping pile of santorum left over on the bed?

Edit: DAMMIT, Joph! Smiley: glare

Edited, Jan 4th 2012 3:53pm by LockeColeMA
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#255 Jan 04 2012 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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#256 Jan 04 2012 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Was the result a heaping pile of santorum left over on the bed?

Edit: DAMMIT, Joph! Smiley: glare

I told you not to sit there.
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#257 Jan 04 2012 at 5:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Santorum surges from behind, comes in #2.

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That should have been the New York Post headline this morning Smiley: laugh
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#259 Jan 05 2012 at 12:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Santorum surges from behind, comes in #2.



Santorum doesn't surge, it oozes

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With an 8 vote "win" in Iowa, something like this was inevitable...
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KCCI-TV reports that a typographical error may have awarded Mitt Romney an 20 additional votes in the Iowa caucus final vote tally.

Edward True said "he helped count the votes and jotted the results down on a piece of paper to post to his Facebook page. He said when he checked to make sure the Republican Party of Iowa got the count right, he said he was shocked to find they hadn't."

Official results had Romney winning by just eight votes, so if the error is confirmed Rick Santorum may have been the true winner.


Of course, delegates for the first slew of GOP primary states are awarded proportionally so it's irrelevant from a technical standpoint who came in "first" and "second" in a statistical tie.
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#261 Jan 05 2012 at 9:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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We always knew it'd be messy when dealing with Santorum.
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#262 Jan 06 2012 at 6:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yep, when you whip Santorum you never know where it'll end up.
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#263 Jan 06 2012 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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Yep, when you whip Santorum you never know where it'll end up.


On a car, most likely.
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#264 Jan 06 2012 at 9:12 PM Rating: Default
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"Dominating the outsiders" is about as good a sign as "The chess club is behind you!" is for school elections.

Whereas "Getting young and first-time voters behind you" is what led Obama to win in 2008.


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There were way more factors to Obama's victory than getting young and first time voters. While obviously getting more voters is never a bad idea for a candidate, I simply don't hold much faith that it's that huge of a deal this early on.



This. Young and/or first time voter turn out had close to zero to do with Obama's victory. Obama won because of lowish relative GOP turnout and (primarily) because swing voters swung his way. And that happened because of some combination of the following three things:

1. A decade of drumbeating the "GOP is bad" mantra on everything from Wars to Economy.

2. GOP control of the government for long enough that they seemed the clear and easy ones to blame for everything "bad" (especially a nearly perfectly timed economic collapse in 2008).

3. Chance to vote in first black US president.



Issue three is gone since said milestone has already been reached now. Issue's one and two are pretty completely negated now that a couple years of Dems controlling both houses of congress and the white house have reminded those swing voters that things really can be worse than when the GOP is running things. Obama won on a "Blame Bush" and "Blame the GOP" ticket. It's getting harder and harder to play that card now though, and most voters place the blame for our current sluggish economy squarely on the Dems shoulders, especially those very swing voters who went Obama's way in 2008.


That's not to say he can't win. But it'll require a pretty amazing amount of negative spin on a whole array of policy issues in order to pull it off at this point. Basically, if the Dem's spin doctors can successfully convince people that the economy really would have been worse if we hadn't passed the stimulus bill, Obama has a chance. Right now, that's a pretty steep uphill slope to climb though.
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Actually, all it'll take is one amazingly bad GOP nominee, which is any of them.
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#266 Jan 07 2012 at 12:03 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, there really isn't anyone who shows any sign of being able to garner the full party's support. But, if Smash is right, that won't matter and they'll all just goose-step their way to the polls and vote Romney like they're told.
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Yeah, there really isn't anyone who shows any sign of being able to garner the full party's support. But, if Smash is right, that won't matter and they'll all just goose-step their way to the polls and vote Romney like they're told.


I don't think so. People might not be terribly sophisticated but they are vindictive.
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This. Young and/or first time voter turn out had close to zero to do with Obama's victory. Obama won because of lowish relative GOP turnout.....
Relative to what?
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I did a little looking around on that, and while I didn't find anything that confirmed either way, I did find some evidence leaning in the direction of that--low GOP turnout--being false.

This publishing shows that although few people voted Republican than in 2004, The democrats increased their count by more than the Republicans lost, more than twice as much. Overall voter turnout was at a fairly high amount compared to previous presidential elections.

This suggests it was more about Democrats getting more people to show up and vote democrat than Republicans loosing their base.
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This. Young and/or first time voter turn out had close to zero to do with Obama's victory. Obama won because of lowish relative GOP turnout and (primarily) because swing voters swung his way. And that happened because of some combination of the following three things:


I would love to see the election results you did, because if my memory serves me correctly Obama spanked Mccain all over the country. Taking even former Red states. But ya I guess it was voter turn out that was responsible not the fact the GOP has run 4-5 consectutive sh*tty *** presidential campaigns.

If anyone was carried in by voter turnout it was Bush, who in both consecutive elections narrowly defeated his opponent. (and if I recall he won through electoral votes both times trailing in the total popular vote.)

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#272 Jan 07 2012 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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OH Boy, this is rich. If this is what we have to look forward to this season I'm gonna get my popcorn and maybe actually start paying attention.
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#273 Jan 07 2012 at 9:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Haha, that was awesome.

"I don't have lobbyists running my campaign."

"But what about so and so?"

"He's not running my campaign."

"But he's one of your advisers, yes?"

"Well yes, he's an adviser, but he's not part of the senior strategy meetings.."

Watching Romney hem and haw about having "lobbyists on the campaign staff" not being the same as having "lobbyists running the campaign" was pretty funny.
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#274 Jan 07 2012 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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Haha, that was awesome.

"I don't have lobbyists running my campaign."

"But what about so and so?"

"He's not running my campaign."

"But he's one of your advisers, yes?"

"Well yes, he's an adviser, but he's not part of the senior strategy meetings.."

Watching Romney hem and haw about having "lobbyists on the campaign staff" not being the same as having "lobbyists running the campaign" was pretty funny.


It's a valid point though. Most campaigns have lobbyists advising, that's sorta their job. It's better politically, if no one talks about it though.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
"Dominating the outsiders" is about as good a sign as "The chess club is behind you!" is for school elections.

Whereas "Getting young and first-time voters behind you" is what led Obama to win in 2008.


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There were way more factors to Obama's victory than getting young and first time voters. While obviously getting more voters is never a bad idea for a candidate, I simply don't hold much faith that it's that huge of a deal this early on.



This. Young and/or first time voter turn out had close to zero to do with Obama's victory.


Smiley: dubious

Pew Research wrote:
In the last three general elections - 2004, 2006, and 2008 -- young voters have given the Democratic Party a majority of their votes, and for all three cycles they have been the party's most supportive age group. This year, 66% of those under age 30 voted for Barack Obama making the disparity between young voters and other age groups larger than in any presidential election since exit polling began in 1972.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1031/young-voters-in-the-2008-election
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Between 22 and 24 million young Americans ages 18–29 voted, resulting in an estimated youth voter turnout (the percentage of eligible voters who actually cast a vote) of between 49.3 and 54.5 percent.

This is an increase of 1 to 6 percentage points over the estimated youth turnout in 2004, and an increase of between 8 and 13 percentage points over the turnout in the 2000 election. The all-time highest youth turnout was 55.4 percent in 1972, the first year that 18-year-olds could vote in a presidential election.


That were 3.4 million more voters than 2004. Assuming 23 million 19-29 year olds voted (the middle of the 22-24 million figure), that means 15.2 million voted for Obama; if it had been the other way around, and 66% had voted for McCain, he would have won the popular vote. Obviously they weren't the only reason Obama won, but without their votes (and especially the effort, like the "Get out the Vote" drives in the months leading up to the election), the election could likely have gone the other way.

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#276 Jan 07 2012 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
I'm for small government, so I think we should make all voters have some form of government issued ID.
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