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#352 Jan 12 2012 at 12:24 AM Rating: Good
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Romney was a decent Governor back when he was a moderate. I don't really know what to say about Romney 2.0: Presidential edition.

Bain Capitol people are douchebags though. Theyn didn't even pay for their own rooms & still ******* about the negotiated rates at my last hotel. Smiley: mad


Negotiating rates for someone else's dime is what they do for fun.
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#353 Jan 12 2012 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
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Complete King of Bain video.

See, it's gbaji's support of this kind of **** that makes me question his ownership of a soul.
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#354 Jan 12 2012 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, when you're an unquestioning lemming ...
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#355 Jan 12 2012 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bain Capital has started hitting back, saying the accusations are unfair.

I think they're mostly ****** off that it's other supposedly pro-business Republicans who are doing the attacks.

From Rick Perry: "There's a difference between venture capital and vulture capital."
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#356 Jan 12 2012 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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From Rick Perry: "There's a difference between venture capital and vulture capital."

Gingrich gave us "He's not a job creator, he's a job cremator."

This isn't really directly about Bain so much as it's about Romney's time at Bain. Romney is trying to hype up jobs from Staples and Sports Authority although much of their growth occurred without Romney and with capital from other firms besides Bain.

Maybe he'll get better at it but Romney's been going into it more tone-deaf than John "I don't know how many houses I own" McCain.
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#357 Jan 12 2012 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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You wouldn't have an election without good ol' fashioned Santorum mud slinging.
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#358 Jan 12 2012 at 2:44 PM Rating: Default
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Well, Joph? At least you've given up trying to insist that a 30% support number at this point in the primary season is somehow low. That's a start at least! Smiley: smile

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You can see why Gbaji likes this guy. Capitalism is his religion, and this is one of his high priests.


Yup. And these attacks just upped Romney's cred with the fiscal conservative crowd more than anything else could have. Anyone who's reason for opposing Obama is because they believe that spending money to protect people from the symptoms of an economic downturn is hurtful to our economic recovery (and that's been the key issue for the last several years) now sees Romney as completely in tune with their own beliefs. They've been clamoring for someone who will take exactly the same sort of free market approach to government that Romney is being tied to with those attacks.


He couldn't have asked people to do him more of a favor.
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#359 Jan 12 2012 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Well, Joph?

Well... what? Smiley: confused
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#360 Jan 12 2012 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Well, Joph? At least you've given up trying to insist that a 30% support number at this point in the primary season is somehow low. That's a start at least! Smiley: smile

Technogeek wrote:
You can see why Gbaji likes this guy. Capitalism is his religion, and this is one of his high priests.


Yup. And these attacks just upped Romney's cred with the fiscal conservative crowd more than anything else could have. Anyone who's reason for opposing Obama is because they believe that spending money to protect people from the symptoms of an economic downturn is hurtful to our economic recovery (and that's been the key issue for the last several years) now sees Romney as completely in tune with their own beliefs. They've been clamoring for someone who will take exactly the same sort of free market approach to government that Romney is being tied to with those attacks.


He couldn't have asked people to do him more of a favor.


I think perhaps you overestimate how many "fiscal conservatives" there are in this country.
If only they vote for this guy, Obama has nothing to worry about.
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#361 Jan 12 2012 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry? What was the key issue that caused the Dems to lose the house in 2010? And a whole bunch of people to form those Tea Party thingies? I seem to recall it was a massive dissatisfaction with the way the Dems were handling fiscal policy. Whether those people identify themselves as "fiscal conservatives" or not, they support exactly the sort of policies which Romney is being connected to with those attacks.


If people were unsure whether Romney would be the right guy to turn the economy around before, they aren't now. These attacks help him, not hurt him.
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#362 Jan 12 2012 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, Joph?

Well... what? Smiley: confused


You acknowledge that 30% at this point in the primary process is not only not weak, but is pretty strong for a front runner?
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#363 Jan 12 2012 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sorry? What was the key issue that caused the Dems to lose the house in 2010? And a whole bunch of people to form those Tea Party thingies? I seem to recall it was a massive dissatisfaction with the way the Dems were handling fiscal policy. Whether those people identify themselves as "fiscal conservatives" or not, they support exactly the sort of policies which Romney is being connected to with those attacks.


If people were unsure whether Romney would be the right guy to turn the economy around before, they aren't now. These attacks help him, not hurt him.


Yep, they ran on the "Jobs, jobs, jobs" message. How they doing with that?
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#364 Jan 12 2012 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Considering the nominee hopefuls this cycle seem to be a normal guy (Romney) and group of Special Olympic runners that wet themselves when the signal is given (Gingrich, Santorum, everyone else), you'd think Romney could garner better than 30%.
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#365 Jan 12 2012 at 4:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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It looks more like a "dismantle popular franchises for personal gain" message.
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#366 Jan 12 2012 at 6:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe he'll get better at it but Romney's been going into it more tone-deaf than John "I don't know how many houses I own" McCain.


I did like that quote about dividing the 1 per cent from the 99 per cent... funny, they don't mind being divided when they're on their private jets or in exclusive clubs...

and regardless... does he really think it is strong messaging to cry about the one per cent being alienated? Like really? Maybe he should do some more focus group testing before he keeps that up.

Aaaaaand defending wall street brokers... but I guess that is real "tea-party" language amirite?

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You acknowledge that 30% at this point in the primary process is not only not weak, but is pretty strong for a front runner?

No, was I supposed to?

For reference, at the point in the 2008 Democratic primaries, Clinton was running in the mid-40s.
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#368 Jan 12 2012 at 7:51 PM Rating: Default
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Yep, they ran on the "Jobs, jobs, jobs" message. How they doing with that?



Uh... Yeah, no they didn't. They ran on "end runaway spending", with a promise to reverse/repeal much of the Obama spending programs once he could be defeated. I guess you could say that this is part of the whole "jobs" issue in that if we end the spending and get the deficit under control, businesses will start investing in jobs and unemployment will come down. But it's pretty absurdly simplistic to just say "jobs jobs jobs" was the entirety of the issue.


Both parties claim to know how to create jobs. The difference is how. The Dems argue that big government programs can create/save jobs. The GOP says that those things actually hurt job creation and what we need to do is limit spending and let the private market lead the recovery. The 2010 election was an overwhelming rejection of the Democrats method. So yeah, anything that paints Romney as the guy who's associated with the free market is going to resonate with the very same voters who tossed the Dems out 2 years ago.


You kinda need to look past the surface layer if you want to understand what's going on.
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#369 Jan 12 2012 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, as you always tell us, you're the only one here that really thinks about anything...

Yawn.
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#370 Jan 12 2012 at 9:15 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm guessing the amount of fiscal conservatives impressed with how Romney lead Bain to destroy multiple, profitable, companies by saddling them with debt & selling them off for massive profit is somewhat less than the amount of people whom lost their jobs because of it.

So this does not get Romney more votes.

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#371 Jan 12 2012 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
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I'm guessing the amount of fiscal conservatives impressed with how Romney lead Bain to destroy multiple, profitable, companies by saddling them with debt & selling them off for massive profit is somewhat less than the amount of people whom lost their jobs because of it.


Fiscal conservatives realize that that's not even remotely close to an accurate description of what the company did. As do most people. Heck. As does anyone who actually reads what you just wrote (which is a parrot of rhetoric being tossed around). How do you think someone saddles a company with debt and then sells it for "massive profit"? Did you even think about this, or just write it down because you heard someone say this on your TV set?
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#372 Jan 12 2012 at 9:23 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah, as you always tell us, you're the only one here that really thinks about anything...


And it's amazing how frequently posters on this forum follow suit.
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#373 Jan 12 2012 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Technogeek wrote:
Yeah, as you always tell us, you're the only one here that really thinks about anything...


And it's amazing how frequently posters on this forum follow suit.

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#374 Jan 12 2012 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
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How do you think someone saddles a company with debt and then sells it for "massive profit"?


Have you never heard of Goldman Sachs, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? They made tons of money packaging debt ridden business and selling it off. That was how they got rich, of course its also how they all went tits up and needed the government to bail them out.

Yippie Capitalism.
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#375 Jan 12 2012 at 10:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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As does anyone who actually reads what you just wrote (which is a parrot of rhetoric being tossed around). How do you think someone saddles a company with debt and then sells it for "massive profit"?


They sell their stock in the company before it implodes, duh.
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#376 Jan 13 2012 at 12:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Its the good old pump and dump with a twist.
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