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#1 Dec 11 2011 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Since Cain is obsolete and I need a place to drop tidbits about the remaining candidates as they happen.

Starting it off, lolRomney for last night's (attempted) $10,000 bet with Rick Perry.

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#2 Dec 11 2011 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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Not many reasonable men on this one.
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There was also that clip that the Daily Show had with Pat Robertson telling the candidates to dial it back.
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There was also that clip that the Daily Show had with Pat Robertson telling the candidates to dial it back.


That is hilariously bad. Talk about pulling out a gun while quail hunting and shooting your friend in the face yourself in the foot.

Oh also in before Gbaji's long winded response defending him.
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Romney has to do far more than demonstrate that he's unlike the average voter to lose this. It's more fun to watch if there's some sort of horse-race element, but there isn't. No one else has any chance in **** in the general election, the GOP is nothing if not easily compliant, it's the entire philosophy that allows them to be a viable party. GOP voters simply do what they're told. They'll be told to vote for Romney, and they will. There's literally never been a GOP candidate in my lifetime who wasn't the establishment choice. It's the "wait until it's your turn" party.

The Democratic primary can be interesting. Democrats weakness is they aren't as easily lead and can come up with a Dukakis or a Mondale or an Obamma once in a while. The GOP primary is just boring. You nearly allays know the winner by December of the year before the election.
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Well, it can be hard to defend every Republican as they attempt to rip each other to shreds. Gbaji's proof enough.
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/true-romney-once-drove-canada-family-dog-roof-173122579.html

sticking with Romney, he also hates animals.
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#9 Dec 11 2011 at 5:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gingrich would be a more effective president I believe, but I also think he's got too much baggage to make it in the top spot. I see him easily getting the VP nod at this point though. Romny has the Morman issue to contend with, and that alone I think makes him completely unelectable.
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#10 Dec 11 2011 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would prefer to see ANYTHING else than Gingrich in any kind of seat of power. The last thing we need is that racist, sexist f*** being at the forefront of American politics.
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Gingrich would be a more effective president I believe, but I also think he's got too much baggage to make it in the top spot. I see him easily getting the VP nod at this point though. Romny has the Morman issue to contend with, and that alone I think makes him completely unelectable.


The guy who called the Palestinian people an invented people, because it was part of the ottomon empire until the early 20th century. While speaking on an Jewish television network a nation of people who's home land was made 50 years after the fall of Ottomon Empire, in territory that also was former Ottomon land.

Too bad Huckabee isn't running.
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#12 Dec 11 2011 at 6:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I didn' say he would be a good one, I said he would be more effective than Romney, who would be an unmitigated disaster.
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#13 Dec 11 2011 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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I find it difficult to believe he's not actually an elaborate prank. He's a tool, and a pathetic one at that.

Some gems.

IDK which is better. That we should revoke child labor laws so intercity children can replace janitors in their schools, or that waterboarding isn't torture because we do it to pilots in the air force.

Actually, my favorite is:

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I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age, they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American.


Because all radical Islamists are secular atheists, and neither of those two identities are compatible with being an American!
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#14 Dec 11 2011 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I didn' say he would be a good one, I said he would be more effective than Romney, who would be an unmitigated disaster.


I can't even begin to agree with you here.
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#15 Dec 11 2011 at 6:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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My main objections to Mitt are some of his plans for space, road infrastructure, and military spending. I'll also be the first to admit that gingrich has numerous horible flaws. Between the two of them though, gingrich would be closer to my viewpoint on at least a few of the key issues I care about, and if nothing else, he has been around and at the highest levels of power to know where all the bodies are buried. Mitt has less baggage, but less experiance and has some ideeas for various sections of the government that I care about that are not in line with my particular political views.

Here's a decent writeup of the pros and cons of Mitt and Newt that is relitivly balanced for the most part:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-vs-newt/2011/12/01/gIQAtSfOIO_story.html

By Charles Krauthammer

It’s Iowa minus 32 days, and barring yet another resurrection (or event of similar improbability), it’s Mitt Romney vs. Newt Gingrich. In a match race, here’s the scorecard:

Romney has managed to weather the debates unscathed. However, the brittleness he showed when confronted with the kind of informed follow-up questions that Bret Baier tossed his way Tuesday on Fox’s “Special Report” — the kind of scrutiny one doesn’t get in multiplayer debates — suggests that Romney may become increasingly vulnerable as the field narrows.

Enter Gingrich, the current vessel for anti-Romney forces — and likely the final one. Gingrich’s obvious weakness is a history of flip-flops, zigzags and mind changes even more extensive than Romney’s — on climate change, the health-care mandate, cap-and-trade, Libya, the Ryan Medicare plan, etc.

The list is long. But what distinguishes Gingrich from Romney — and mitigates these heresies in the eyes of conservatives — is that he authored a historic conservative triumph: the 1994 Republican takeover of the House after 40 years of Democratic control.

Which means that Gingrich’s apostasies are seen as deviations from his conservative core — while Romney’s flip-flops are seen as deviations from . . . nothing. Romney has no signature achievement, legislation or manifesto that identifies him as a core conservative.

So what is he? A center-right, classic Northeastern Republican who, over time, has adopted a specific, quite bold, thoroughly conservative platform. His entitlement reform, for example, is more courageous than that of any candidate, including Barack Obama. Nevertheless, the party base, ostentatiously pursuing serial suitors-of-the-month, considers him ideologically unreliable. Hence the current ardor for Gingrich.

Gingrich has his own vulnerabilities. The first is often overlooked because it is characterological rather than ideological: his own unreliability. Gingrich has a self-regard so immense that it rivals Obama’s — but, unlike Obama’s, is untamed by self-discipline.

Take that ad Gingrich did with Nancy Pelosi on global warming, advocating urgent government action. He laughs it off today with “that is probably the dumbest single thing I’ve done in recent years. It is inexplicable.”

This will not do. He was obviously thinking something. What was it? Thinking of himself as a grand world-historical figure, attuned to the latest intellectual trend (preferably one with a tinge of futurism and science, like global warming), demonstrating his own incomparable depth and farsightedness. Made even more profound and fundamental — his favorite adjectives — if done in collaboration with a Nancy Pelosi, Patrick Kennedy or even Al Sharpton, offering yet more evidence of transcendent, trans-partisan uniqueness.

Two ideologically problematic finalists: One is a man of center-right temperament who has of late adopted a conservative agenda. The other is a man more conservative by nature but possessed of an unbounded need for grand display that has already led him to unconservative places even he is at a loss to explain, and that as president would leave him in constant search of the out-of-box experience — the confoundedly brilliant Nixon-to-China flipperoo regarding his fancy of the day, be it health care, taxes, energy, foreign policy, whatever.

The second, more obvious, Gingrich vulnerability is electability. Given his considerable service to the movement, many conservatives seem quite prepared to overlook his baggage, ideological and otherwise. This is understandable. But the independents and disaffected Democrats upon whom the general election will hinge will not be so forgiving.

They will find it harder to overlook the fact that the man who denounces Freddie Mac to the point of suggesting that those in Congress who aided and abetted it be imprisoned, took $30,000 a month from that very same parasitic federal creation. Nor will independents be so willing to believe that more than $1.5 million was paid for Gingrich’s advice as “a historian” rather than for services as an influence peddler.

Obama’s approval rating among independents is a catastrophically low 30 percent. This is a constituency disappointed in Obama but also deeply offended by the corrupt culture of the Washington insider — a distaste in no way attenuated by fond memories of the 1994 Contract with America

My own view is that Republicans would have been better served by the candidacies of Mitch Daniels, Paul Ryan or Chris Christie. Unfortunately, none is running. You play the hand you’re dealt. This is a weak Republican field with two significantly flawed front-runners contesting an immensely important election. If Obama wins, he will take the country to a place from which it will not be able to return (which is precisely his own objective for a second term).

Every conservative has thus to ask himself two questions: Who is more likely to prevent that second term? And who, if elected, is less likely to unpleasantly surprise?

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I find it quite funny that having decided that you Americans had yourselves made a mistake in electing a guy unsuited to run your country, you're all ready to do it again just to get him out.

I mean, I'm not an expert or anything but even I can see that Obama winning the coming election is the lesser of all evils here.
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#17 Dec 11 2011 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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Gingrich would be a more effective president I believe, but I also think he's got too much baggage to make it in the top spot. I see him easily getting the VP nod at this point though. Romny has the Morman issue to contend with, and that alone I think makes him completely unelectable.
His Republican issue is a bigger turn off for me than his Mormon issue.
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The Democratic primary can be interesting. Democrats weakness is they aren't as easily lead and can come up with a Dukakis or a Mondale or an Obamma once in a while. The GOP primary is just boring. You nearly allays know the winner by December of the year before the election.

Would Clinton have to give up her post to run again? Would she, period?
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I find it quite funny that having decided that you Americans had yourselves made a mistake in electing a guy unsuited to run your country, you're all ready to do it again just to get him out.

I mean, I'm not an expert or anything but even I can see that Obama winning the coming election is the lesser of all evils here.

There will never be an opportunity to vote for anyone else. We will be presented with Obama and whatever dreg the Republicans come up with, and those will be the choices. Americans don't know or even seem to care what to do about it.
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They shouldn't have to do anything about. The **** off for the American Govt is the Congressional gridlock games that the conservatives have been playing for the last half decade.
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#21 Dec 11 2011 at 8:19 PM Rating: Excellent
To be fair to Mitt, which of the Republican candidates aren't millionaires? How often is it these days that there is a viable candidate from any party that isn't a millionaire? It's really a sad system we've set ourselves up with.
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What really, REALLY disturbs me is our laws pertaining to corporate pr stock holdings while in positions of power.
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#23 Dec 11 2011 at 8:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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To be fair to Mitt, which of the Republican candidates aren't millionaires? How often is it these days that there is a viable candidate from any party that isn't a millionaire? It's really a sad system we've set ourselves up with.

Fair or not, candidates have to tread a line between having the money and still being relatable to those without millions of dollars. After someone says they feel your working class pain, you don't want to hear about them forgetting how many houses they own or their million dollar credit line at Tiffany's or about them casually making $10,000 bets.
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More importantly, why are you two using the same avatar? it's a bit confusing.


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#26 Dec 11 2011 at 10:18 PM Rating: Good
None of them can actually relate. On either side, that's part of the problem. Our election system is currently only allows people with money enough to not work while campaigning to even have a chance. I don't know the solution, but to me, it's a problem.
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